AMD Radeon Pro Vega Frontier Edition Unboxed, Benchmarked

P4-630 · Jun 28, 2017

fullinfusion said:
Don't kid yourself, I had a Corsair 850 psu and a pair of 7970's and it ran the benches.. well it completed them but the numbers were low. The psu was old and after installing a new psu the numbers went up

Hmm... I thought you would see a black screen while benchmarking.

RejZoR · Jun 28, 2017

hojnikb said:
LOL, x2 8 pin and a single blower fan. I'm sure this isn't going to be loud at all

Well, it depends. AMD is known to overengineer power delivery. Has been like this and still is. The card may not actually need so much power, but they've given it anyway. I mean, maybe they found out that it's cheaper to use same board layout for both, water cooled and air cooled model and just limit it with BIOS than design 2 separate boards. Just an idea. You can than stick water cooling block on Vega FE and have a beefy power delivery to really push it.

Btw, anyone realized what they did with the name? Radeon FE (Frontier Edition), GeForce FE (Founders Edition)...

bug · Jun 28, 2017

RejZoR said:
Well, it depends. AMD is known to overengineer power delivery. Has been like this and still is. The card may not actually need so much power, but they've given it anyway. I mean, maybe they found out that it's cheaper to use same board layout for both, water cooled and air cooled model and just limit it with BIOS than design 2 separate boards. Just an idea. You can than stick water cooling block on Vega FE and have a beefy power delivery to really push it.

Btw, anyone realized what they did with the name? Radeon FE (Frontier Edition), GeForce FE (Founders Edition)...

I'm afraid that's not the care here. You can't get a PCI-SIG certification with two eight pin connectors, so if anyone uses them, they're needed.
Professional cards don't need overclocking headroom. They're built for stability above all else. And no, you don't achieve stability through more amps.

KainXS · Jun 28, 2017

Nokiron said:
Are you really serious? If that card pulls the maximum supposed "300W", he still has 250(!!)W for the CPU and rest of the components.

A system with a 4790K would pull 100W at most.

I would pick up an 750W PSU If I were getting Frontier Edition card, but if I had a quality 650W PSU I would probably keep it, 550W is not enough though to me.

Frick · Jun 28, 2017

I still think AMD should give that design to their reference gaming cards.

Solid State Brain · Jun 28, 2017

KainXS said:
I would pick up an 750W PSU If I were getting Frontier Edition card, but if I had a quality 650W PSU I would probably keep it, 550W is not enough though to me.

If people actually measured their system's power consumption during stressing loads and paid attention to the specifications of the 12v rails they would quickly realize that very powerful PSUs aren't really a strict requirement.

GPU manufacturers have to account for cheap PSUs that aren't capable of delivering what they promise.

P4-630 · Jun 28, 2017

Solid State Brain said:
GPU manufacturers have to account for cheap PSUs that aren't capable of delivering what they promise.

I don't think that's how it works....

OSdevr · Jun 28, 2017

Solid State Brain said:
If people actually measured their system's power consumption during stressing loads and paid attention to the specifications of the 12v rails they would quickly realize that very powerful PSUs aren't really a strict requirement.

If people actually put an oscilloscope probe to their GPUs power supply they would quickly realize that they can pull far more than their TDP for brief periods.

XiGMAKiD · Jun 28, 2017

RejZoR said:
Btw, anyone realized what they did with the name? Radeon FE (Frontier Edition), GeForce FE (Founders Edition)...

Just realize that now :eek:

bug · Jun 28, 2017

I think this an interesting review idea: take a high-end video card and test it with increasingly smaller PSUs. Do it with quality and no name units.

RejZoR · Jun 28, 2017

I don't get it how can PSU power be an issue when you can get freaking 850W LC Power Arkangel unit which is pretty darn decent for 100 freaking €. Had one as test unit for when my old mobo died and it's pretty nice looking unit, single rail, modular, really quiet and I heard CWT makes its guts. Making excuses about being "unable" to buy better PSU is just lazy. Besides, if you really care about you rpower delivery, you buy Corsair, Seasonic, BeQuiet or the likes...

DarkHill · Jun 28, 2017

P4-630 said:
I don't think that's how it works....

that is EXACTLY how it works.

For many years the PSU watt-athon was in full force with even the crappiest producers "making" 1000watt psus it was howver only peak power while sustained wattage might be as low as half.

in the west this is fortunately amost gone now, but in east? probably still in full force.

Stick a watt-meter on your PC and see how the powerdraw actually is, then go check the TDP of your current card and look again at the watt-meter. Ill await your surprised comment.

Nokiron · Jun 28, 2017

OSdevr said:
If people actually put an oscilloscope probe to their GPUs power supply they would quickly realize that they can pull far more than their TDP for brief periods.

And that's is absolutely no issue whatsoever for a decent power supply. The power supply in question is more than capable to deal with a Vega FE.

EarthDog · Jun 28, 2017

P4-630 said:
Graphics score you should look at, it's 22.916 of this vega card, my 1070 OC'd scores 21.169 so yeah....

But wait!!!!!!!!! Drivers aren't mature and this dude didn't potentially didn't set up configurations for it......... Ugh, the speculation to play both sides to the middle........... bleh.

robert3892 said:
Looks like his PSU is too low in wattage for a card like this

robert3892 said:
If I understood him correctly he's using a 550 watt PSU which isn't enough to drive a VEGA card with that TDP. That might be why his scores aren't so good.

Guys, GPUs don't 'brown out' and get "slower" because of an inadequate PSU...

Prima.Vera · Jun 28, 2017

Frontier Edition....Founders Edition.... WTH is with this BS from both manufacturers??

OSdevr · Jun 28, 2017

Nokiron said:
And that's is absolutely no issue whatsoever for a decent power supply. The power supply in question is more than capable to deal with a Vega FE.

We don't know if the power supply in question IS a decent power supply! It is only described as a "550W PSU".

ZoneDymo · Jun 28, 2017

Prima.Vera said:
Frontier Edition....Founders Edition.... WTH is with this BS from both manufacturers??

Well with Nvidia its a bullshit premium
With this card its just... well its just the card,, just a name, there is no non frontier edition, pretty sure its only used as marketing, claiming this reaches a new frontier or something.

EarthDog · Jun 28, 2017

OSdevr said:
We don't know if the power supply in question IS a decent power supply! It is only described as a "550W PSU".

I dont care if it is filled with cement... GPUs do NOT brown out and slow down if it isn't being fed enough power...

Ruru · Jun 28, 2017

Supercrit said:
That acrylic "R" made me want to get it...

IMO that looks damn stupid!

hojnikb said:
LOL, x2 8 pin and a single blower fan. I'm sure this isn't going to be loud at all

Aaaaand..? Even if it would have 10 plugs, it doesn't mean that they're neccessary. Reminds me of my friend about ~10 years ago, "I don't want a high wattage PSU since it takes more power from outlet". :rolleyes:

Nokiron · Jun 28, 2017

OSdevr said:
We don't know if the power supply in question IS a decent power supply! It is only described as a "550W PSU".

It's Corsair. It's visible in the images.

https://www.techpowerup.com/img/WEgEUWXLX6RCvEPU.jpg

Aenra · Jun 28, 2017

EarthDog said:
GPUs do NOT brown out and slow down if it isn't being fed enough power...

He's right guys

If the PSU wasn't enough, he/we'd know because the PC would have shut down/potentially damaged itself. It didn't shut down, ergo it sufficed.

(this isn't to say i agree with everything anyone's ever said about today's market and having a 500W PSU [don't], am just commenting on this specific scenario)

Ruru · Jun 28, 2017

Nokiron said:
It's Corsair. It's visible in the images.

https://www.techpowerup.com/img/WEgEUWXLX6RCvEPU.jpg

But what model exactly, that's what is the most important thing. There's more than a little difference in quality between older CX's and Vengeances for example.

Nokiron · Jun 28, 2017

9700 Pro said:
But what model exactly, that's what is the most important thing. There's more than a little difference in quality between older CX's and Vengeances for example.

That's grasping for straws that does not matter.

TheinsanegamerN · Jun 28, 2017

EarthDog said:
I dont care if it is filled with cement... GPUs do NOT brown out and slow down if it isn't being fed enough power...

Pascall GPUs will power throttle (IE run lower/disabled boost) if not fed enough juice. It's entirely possible that vega has the same ability.

That being said, a decent 550 watt PSU should be able to drive a 300 watt card. I used to run dual 150 watt 550tis on a 550 watt no problem.

bug · Jun 28, 2017

Nokiron said:
And that's is absolutely no issue whatsoever for a decent power supply. The power supply in question is more than capable to deal with a Vega FE.

No, no, no, you got it all wrong.
Based on the evidence at hand we must conclude the consumer Vega will easily beat a 1080Ti while using 150W or less. This card right here was obviously hamstrung. /sarcasm

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AMD Radeon Pro Vega Frontier Edition Unboxed, Benchmarked

P4-630

RejZoR

bug

KainXS

Frick

Fishfaced Nincompoop

Solid State Brain

P4-630

OSdevr

XiGMAKiD

bug

RejZoR

DarkHill

Nokiron

EarthDog

Prima.Vera

OSdevr

ZoneDymo

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