Raja Koduri On a Sabbatical from RTG till December, AMD CEO Takes Over

[Totally]

Not really. The fact they can't keep it in stock is proof of that. Polaris has the same problem.

No one is saying there is anything wrong with the product, it is the launch and handling of it afterwards that was abysmal. Without any actual numbers the fact that they can't keep stock can not be but in a positive nor negative light because I can easily say they can't keep stock because they didn't have much to begin with.

 

[Vayra86]

Not really. The fact they can't keep it in stock is proof of that. Polaris has the same problem.

Time will tell. I can see where you're coming from, perhaps the numbers actually DO look good for AMD's expectations, because Vega is definitely more than just a gaming card, but still. Its not a great product in terms of positioning, profit margins, and yield / stock problems. The most plausible explanation for Vega's lack of availability is IMO still that AMD doesn't really want to sell a huge lot of them at all, and is purposely squeezing down production.

That said, you can't really defend Raja's public appearances though, right?

 

[FrustratedGarrett]

Good riddance! Whoever hired him should be fired too, along with low-energy Lisa.

 

[Totally]

No one is being fired. Simply PR damage control.

 

[FrustratedGarrett]

No one is being fired. Simply PR damage control.

He's leaving on his own because he knows that he's the least qualified person in that company to hold that position.

 

[Totally]

He's leaving on his own because he knows that he's the least qualified person in that company to hold that position.

He's coming back at an unknown capacity(not as the poster child for RTG at least) at the end of the year.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

No one is saying there is anything wrong with the product...

I was replying to Prima.Vera whom said exactly that.

That said, you can't really defend Raja's public appearances though, right?

Enlighten me. What I have seen, I can't say Koduri did anything outstandingly wrong.

 

[rtwjunkie]

He's leaving on his own because he knows that he's the least qualified person in that company to hold that position.

You like making up your own news as you go along, ehh?

 

[HisDivineOrder]

I'll always remember Raja as the guy Anand built a shrine to in text form...

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6907/the-king-is-back-raja-koduri-leaves-apple-returns-to-amd

Look at that giant picture. Look at that guy leaving Apple, where Anand wound up going. It's just chock full of amusing elements.

Back then, the part that was formerly ATI was the big hope for enthusiasts. Today? Raja has run that in the ground so far that we mostly shrug when someone brings up Polaris or Vega, then a fanboy will change the subject to Ryzen.

 

[Slizzo]

I'm not sure that Vega was Raja's fuck up. Wasn't that project started before he took the helm?

I can understand AMD wanting to reign in his tweeting about their products though. Let a marketing team handle that.

 

[dorsetknob]

People don't seem to understand what sabbatical means..

low country Saturday Clog thrower ?
Not Someone you really want in your company
There will be a job waiting at the $1000 phone company for him

 

[wiyosaya]

Personally, I see this as a good thing. Su has a brain.

 

[Frick]

Not really. The fact they can't keep it in stock is proof of that. Polaris has the same problem.

Has there been any Vega stock to begin with though? Serious question.

 

[LogitechFan]

they needed to ditch this idiot without loosing face. Well, this is the way to do it apparently, before RTG goes on a chopping block and sold for parts to samsung

 

[EarthDog]

Has there been any Vega stock to begin with though? Serious question.

Not since day one has there been any sold at MSRP. They are not stocking that SKU and it then supply/demand take over from there.




Its weird to call Raja an idiot while in the same breath not using the proper term, losing. I never heard that Raja was a loose fellow.

 

[evernessince]

'Back in last year's high performance' there fixed that for you Raja

Also, this, is telling to me:
"As we enter 2018, I will be shifting my focus more toward architecting and realizing this vision and rebalancing my operational responsibilities. "

He is definitely not going to be the public face anymore.

Technically that's last year for Nvidia too so yeah... Your point kind of falls flat. Nvidia doesn't have volta planned for anytime soon either. Last year's high performance is still this year's high performance.

 

[evernessince]

No one is saying there is anything wrong with the product, it is the launch and handling of it afterwards that was abysmal. Without any actual numbers the fact that they can't keep stock can not be but in a positive nor negative light because I can easily say they can't keep stock because they didn't have much to begin with.

I agree that the launch was bad but no one can keep stock right now for any card appealing to miners.

 

[rtwjunkie]

There will be a job waiting at the $1000 phone company for him

LOL, you mean Apple, I'm guessing!

 

[Steevo]

He's leaving on his own because he knows that he's the least qualified person in that company to hold that position.

And you are qualified to make that judgement call? Or you are the worst troll I have ever seen.

 

[Th3pwn3r]

they needed to ditch this idiot without loosing face. Well, this is the way to do it apparently, before RTG goes on a chopping block and sold for parts to samsung

Not since day one has there been any sold at MSRP. They are not stocking that SKU and it then supply/demand take over from there.




Its weird to call Raja an idiot while in the same breath not using the proper term, losing. I never heard that Raja was a loose fellow.

LOL, was going to say the same thing.

 

[Vayra86]

Technically that's last year for Nvidia too so yeah... Your point kind of falls flat. Nvidia doesn't have volta planned for anytime soon either. Last year's high performance is still this year's high performance.

Actually no. GV100 is already a product on the marketplace. Not a gaming-GPU, but direct competition for the Vega architecture. If you keep the rose tinted glasses and try to forget that reality then yes, Pascal is 'this year's high performance'... in the small mind of a gamer.

In fact, even Pascal's GP100 is a direct competitor to Vega and that by itself would already have been enough performance wise. Vega really is a couple years too late, seeing as Navi won't be scaling up the performance on one die any further, while Nvidia's Volta does increase single-die performance. AMD actually forced itself to jump on Navi a full gen earlier than Nvidia, and the only reason for doing so, is because they have nowhere else to go. Nvidia on the other hand can push Volta as a single die solution, and THEN still double its potential through the MCM-solutions they have planned. The potential performance gap will then be doubled - a scary thought IMO.

Surely you realize that Vega is ALSO still trailing a full GPU tier behind in terms of gaming performance, right? It's more than 30% behind, so in fact it is last year's high performance of the mid tier SKU.

And about cards being in stock... I have seen the majority of cards perfectly available for the past few months. Inflated price points, yes. But available, in stock, 24/5 deliveries everywhere. Meanwhile the Vega cards are on hold, out of stock, or to be delivered within a week or two weeks - which remains to be seen.

 

[Prima.Vera]

Not really. The fact they can't keep it in stock is proof of that. Polaris has the same problem.

Because the yields are crap, so they are actually wasting a lot of money and time with useless semiconductor rebuts.

 

[evernessince]

Actually no. GV100 is already a product on the marketplace. Not a gaming-GPU, but direct competition for the Vega architecture. If you keep the rose tinted glasses and try to forget that reality then yes, Pascal is 'this year's high performance'... in the small mind of a gamer.

In fact, even Pascal's GP100 is a direct competitor to Vega and that by itself would already have been enough performance wise. Vega really is a couple years too late, seeing as Navi won't be scaling up the performance on one die any further, while Nvidia's Volta does increase single-die performance. AMD actually forced itself to jump on Navi a full gen earlier than Nvidia, and the only reason for doing so, is because they have nowhere else to go. Nvidia on the other hand can push Volta as a single die solution, and THEN still double its potential through the MCM-solutions they have planned. The potential performance gap will then be doubled - a scary thought IMO.

Surely you realize that Vega is ALSO still trailing a full GPU tier behind in terms of gaming performance, right? It's more than 30% behind, so in fact it is last year's high performance of the mid tier SKU.

And about cards being in stock... I have seen the majority of cards perfectly available for the past few months. Inflated price points, yes. But available, in stock, 24/5 deliveries everywhere. Meanwhile the Vega cards are on hold, out of stock, or to be delivered within a week or two weeks - which remains to be seen.

Lol, people on the internet. Your original comment wasn't about volta in the enterprise, it was about consumer volta. Your just grasping at straws /gg

"Nvidia on the other hand can push Volta as a single die solution, and THEN still double its potential through the MCM-solutions they have planned."

Lol, you really have no understanding of this do you? Why in the world would Nvidia continue to make pricey large dies if they could make multiple smaller and cheaper ones? The answer: they can't. AMD is the only CPU manufacturer on the market right now that managed to stitch together multiple higher performance CPUs, something not even Intel can do yet with an R&D budget bigger than the value of the entirety of AMD. Nvidia has even less experience with interconnects then either AMD or Intel and you just suddenly expect them to be able to have the same groundbreaking achievement as AMD did? You are delusional. Nvidia doesn't even have an MCM on their roadmap so your looking at volta and then the next architecture AT LEAST still being single.

This is about as far as Nvidia has gotten

http://research.nvidia.com/publication/2017-06_MCM-GPU:-Multi-Chip-Module-GPUs

of which, Intel has had MCM processors in the past that ultimately failed due to latency between dies. Notice the article's publication date, after Ryzen's launch. This means that Nvidia didn't think MCMs were feasible until after Ryzen. This also means they have zero progress into actually implementing this into their GPUs for real. Ryzen comes out and all of a sudden Nvidia starts talking up MCMs like they are the future. I remember the same thing happening when the original iphone came out and it took others YEARS to catch up.

"Surely you realize that Vega is ALSO still trailing a full GPU tier behind in terms of gaming performance, right? It's more than 30% behind, so in fact it is last year's high performance of the mid tier SKU."

I don't even know what card you are talking about. WIthout even referencing the card or sources you are just talking out of your ass. Vega 56 = 1070 and Vega 64 = 1080. Their performance are on par with each other. I know you can be talking about the 1080 Ti, because it isn't a year old nor is it mid tier. All of this doesn't change the fact that these cards are still the best Nvidia's got right now. If you didn't realize, your own logic can easily be used against you. For example, The R9 390 was the same price as the GTX 970 and yet the 390's GPU was over 2 years old and still had double the RAM.

 

[Slizzo]

Lol, people on the internet. Your original comment wasn't about volta in the enterprise, it was about consumer volta. Your just grasping at straws /gg

"Nvidia on the other hand can push Volta as a single die solution, and THEN still double its potential through the MCM-solutions they have planned."

Lol, you really have no understanding of this do you? Why in the world would Nvidia continue to make pricey large dies if they could make multiple smaller and cheaper ones? The answer: they can't. AMD is the only CPU manufacturer on the market right now that managed to stitch together multiple higher performance CPUs, something not even Intel can do yet with an R&D budget bigger than the value of the entirety of AMD. Nvidia has even less experience with interconnects then either AMD or Intel and you just suddenly expect them to be able to have the same groundbreaking achievement as AMD did? You are delusional. Nvidia doesn't even have an MCM on their roadmap so your looking at volta and then the next architecture AT LEAST still being single.

This is about as far as Nvidia has gotten

http://research.nvidia.com/publication/2017-06_MCM-GPU:-Multi-Chip-Module-GPUs

of which, Intel has had MCM processors in the past that ultimately failed due to latency between dies. Notice the article's publication date, after Ryzen's launch. This means that Nvidia didn't think MCMs were feasible until after Ryzen. This also means they have zero progress into actually implementing this into their GPUs for real. Ryzen comes out and all of a sudden Nvidia starts talking up MCMs like they are the future. I remember the same thing happening when the original iphone came out and it took others YEARS to catch up.

"Surely you realize that Vega is ALSO still trailing a full GPU tier behind in terms of gaming performance, right? It's more than 30% behind, so in fact it is last year's high performance of the mid tier SKU."

I don't even know what card you are talking about. WIthout even referencing the card or sources you are just talking out of your ass. Vega 56 = 1070 and Vega 64 = 1080. Their performance are on par with each other. I know you can be talking about the 1080 Ti, because it isn't a year old nor is it mid tier. All of this doesn't change the fact that these cards are still the best Nvidia's got right now. If you didn't realize, your own logic can easily be used against you. For example, The R9 390 was the same price as the GTX 970 and yet the 390's GPU was over 2 years old and still had double the RAM.

If you think that MCM is something that NVIDIA magically pulled out of their ass after Ryzen dropped, then you've got your head in the clouds. It's likely that this has been in R&D for a while now.

Look, MCM is nothing new, neither in the CPU space (Intel had done it before and got knocked hard for it), nor the GPU space (3DFX was doing it, among others). Remember Core 2 Quad? Yeah, MCM, kicked AMD's ass. That's not to say that previous to that AMD's processors weren't kicking Intel's ass.

 

[Totally]

multiple higher performance CPUs, something not even Intel can do yet

*Spits out coffee* What? Remember Core 2, brosef(ina)? iirc those dual cores used a similar approach and were just two single-core processors on a chip.