FineWine===>FineVinegar FuryX Aging Horrible in 2017

xkm1948 · Nov 13, 2017

Yeah yeah it is a Reddit discussion. It is more about summary of results across multiple review site.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/7ckjj5/furyx_aging_tremendously_bad_in_2017/

My personal opinion. Welp after 2.5 years of purchasing this card I regret the sh*it of my decision. Should have gone with 980Ti. Would be so much better.

Got burned hard by AMD flagship GPUs this round.

9700==>X1900==>3870==>4870==>5870==>FuryX

Seems it is about time I give green team a chance.

erocker · Nov 13, 2017

xkm1948 said:
Seems it is about time I give green team a chance.

Pretty much works the same way on the other side of the fence. FYI.

xkm1948 · Nov 13, 2017

erocker said:
Pretty much works the same way on the other side of the fence. FYI.

At least Maxwell cards aged better.

Yeah grass is always greener on the other side. I will embrace the geFORCE.

natr0n · Nov 13, 2017

Nvidia seems to have the best driver team/people out there honestly. Superb support for all cards.

For example: PCSX2 emulator if you have an AMD card and want to try to use OpenGL you get this message.
The OpenGL hardware renderer is slow on AMD GPUs due to an inefficient driver.
Check out the link below for further information.
https://github.com/PCSX2/pcsx2/wiki/OpenGL-and-AMD-GPUs---All-you-need-to-know

Then eventually you'll get a catastrophic system crash.

xkm1948 · Nov 13, 2017

natr0n said:
Nvidia seems to have the best driver team/people out there honestly. Superb support for all cards.

For example: PCSX2 emulator if you have an AMD card and want to try to use OpenGL you get this message.
The OpenGL hardware renderer is slow on AMD GPUs due to an inefficient driver.
Check out the link below for further information.
https://github.com/PCSX2/pcsx2/wiki/OpenGL-and-AMD-GPUs---All-you-need-to-know

Then eventually you'll get a catastrophic system crash.

Agree. I don't even have an nvidia card, yet their tech support called me after I emailed them asking for help coding in CUDA/OpenCL. It was about a year ago but that sort of dedication and customer service is what RTG lacks.

FYI I did the same thing with RTG, emailed them for help on OpenCL coding for the FuryX. Got some generic email asking me what driver I was using and what game I was trying to play. Never bothered much after that.

FreedomEclipse · Nov 13, 2017

I think one of the issue with the fury X's is they were always in such short supply and there were probably too few units made/sold to make optimising drivers worth the effort. The TPU Fury X clubhouse is as lonely as ever.

970s were very successful upon launch, Nvidia had the supply nailed so everyone and their grandmother's grandmother could have one and thats exactly what happened. So many people jumped onboard with the 970s including myself. I bought one at first then grabbed a second one a week or two later for SLi.

Hugely successful till the whole memorygate scandal then the hype for the card seemed to die off slowly.... Its still a good card though.

CrAsHnBuRnXp · Nov 13, 2017

erocker said:
Pretty much works the same way on the other side of the fence. FYI.

Im still rocking a 980 STRIX at max settings on a 3440x1440p screen with no issues.

xkm1948 · Nov 13, 2017

FreedomEclipse said:
I think one of the issue with the fury X's is they were always in such short supply and there were probably too few units made/sold to make optimising drivers worth the effort. The TPU Fury X clubhouse is as lonely as ever.

970s were very successful upon launch, Nvidia had the supply nailed so everyone and their grandmother's grandmother could have one and thats exactly what happened. So many people jumped onboard with the 970s including myself. I bought one at first then grabbed a second one a week or two later for SLi.

Hugely successful till the whole memorygate scandal then the hype for the card seemed to die off slowly.... Its still a good card though.

Flagship GPUs were never meant to sell at high volume. Also flagship GPUs should never be neglected like FuryX. It is a huge blow to potential high-end GPU buyers' confidence in buying AMD's GPU in the future.

From the linked reviews it shows that FuryX was not even limited by 4GB VRAM in games when it performs piss poor. It was the lack of optimization from AMD, who simply do not give a f*uck at all about Fiji based GPU. Sometimes FuryX even fell behind RX480 and 1060.

Folterknecht · Nov 13, 2017

xkm1948 said:
From the linked reviews it shows that FuryX was not even limited by 4GB VRAM in games when it performs piss poor. It was the lack of optimization from AMD, who simply do not give a f*uck at all about Fiji based GPU.

Nah - the problem with AMD cards is that they need more VRAM capacity compared to NV. Computerbase.de did several good tests on it it. AMD is much less effecient when it comes to the available resources and that doesn't seem to be only restricted to the driver side of things.
And in case of (your) the Fury(X) with only 4GB VRAM you start running into a wall at 1440p with some games/settings, where cards like the GTX980 just run along just fine.

Since the 290(X) I haven't seen much progress on the AMD side. Just look at Vega ... roughly same performance clock for clock as the Fury cards. The only things that improved are manufacturing process and driver side.

RejZoR · Nov 13, 2017

xkm1948 said:
Yeah yeah it is a Reddit discussion. It is more about summary of results across multiple review site.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/7ckjj5/furyx_aging_tremendously_bad_in_2017/

My personal opinion. Welp after 2.5 years of purchasing this card I regret the sh*it of my decision. Should have gone with 980Ti. Would be so much better.

Got burned hard by AMD flagship GPUs this round.

9700==>X1900==>3870==>4870==>5870==>FuryX

Seems it is about time I give green team a chance.

You want to give NVIDIA a chance? If you love endless video problems in browsers with video corruption and tearing, endless problems with Fast and Adaptive V-Sync, endless issues with DSR and endlessly archaic, slow and clumsy Control Panel, you'll just love NVIDIA. Yeah, it's fast, when it works. But the amount of dumb stupid problems I've had with GTX 980 and GTX 1080Ti beats all the Radeons I've had in my whole time. COMBINED! I really don't know WTF NVIDIA is doing lately, but I'm really disappointed after almost a decade of listening how AMD's sofwtare is inferior and how NVIDIA's is superior... With the amount of praise, one would expect almost flawless experience. Reality is million light years from that.

xkm1948 · Nov 13, 2017

RejZoR said:
You want to give NVIDIA a chance? If you love endless video problems in browsers with video corruption and tearing, endless problems with Fast and Adaptive V-Sync, endless issues with DSR and endlessly archaic, slow and clumsy Control Panel, you'll just love NVIDIA. Yeah, it's fast, when it works. But the amount of dumb stupid problems I've had with GTX 980 and GTX 1080Ti beats all the Radeons I've had in my whole time. COMBINED! I really don't know WTF NVIDIA is doing lately, but I'm really disappointed after almost a decade of listening how AMD's sofwtare is inferior and how NVIDIA's is superior... With the amount of praise, one would expect almost flawless experience. Reality is million light years from that.

I just do VR and CUDA coding, so your problems with nvidia may not be applicable to me. I just want the performance and good tech support.

So I will give you my Fury X for your 1080Ti, deal?

cdawall · Nov 13, 2017

RejZoR said:
You want to give NVIDIA a chance? If you love endless video problems in browsers with video corruption and tearing, endless problems with Fast and Adaptive V-Sync, endless issues with DSR and endlessly archaic, slow and clumsy Control Panel, you'll just love NVIDIA. Yeah, it's fast, when it works. But the amount of dumb stupid problems I've had with GTX 980 and GTX 1080Ti beats all the Radeons I've had in my whole time. COMBINED! I really don't know WTF NVIDIA is doing lately, but I'm really disappointed after almost a decade of listening how AMD's sofwtare is inferior and how NVIDIA's is superior... With the amount of praise, one would expect almost flawless experience. Reality is million light years from that.

I have had zero of those issues with Nvidia and have 40 times as many cards actively running right now. I have way more issue with my amd rigs.

xkm1948 · Nov 13, 2017

cdawall said:
I have had zero of those issues with Nvidia and have 40 times as many cards actively running right now. I have way more issue with my amd rigs.

Still remember your 480 crossfire thread. That was a sight for sore eyes.

jboydgolfer · Nov 13, 2017

FreedomEclipse said:
I think one of the issue with the fury X's is they were always in such short supply and there were probably too few units made/sold to make optimising drivers worth the effort. The TPU Fury X clubhouse is as lonely as ever.

970s were very successful upon launch, Nvidia had the supply nailed so everyone and their grandmother's grandmother could have one and thats exactly what happened. So many people jumped onboard with the 970s including myself. I bought one at first then grabbed a second one a week or two later for SLi.

Hugely successful till the whole memorygate scandal then the hype for the card seemed to die off slowly.... Its still a good card though.

Yup. I love my 970's , & they beat out some 980's , ive never run into the memory being an issue, but for what i paid for my 2, i couldnt complain even if it did.

Fluffmeister · Nov 13, 2017

I hope Intel under ex-AMD savior Raja can become our new overlords. It sucks to see AMD repeat the same mistakes over and over again.

I read in another thread Nvidia have apparently given up on gaming too, so Intel are our only hope.

But if VR and CUDA support are your thing instead of empty promises and dreams of future magic.... go Nvidia!

Aquinus · Nov 13, 2017

I stayed away from Fury in general because it was the first stab at using HBM and my general rule of thumb is always wait until at least the 2nd generation of a product so the kinks can get worked out.

Xzibit · Nov 13, 2017

xkm1948 said:
I just do VR and CUDA coding, so your problems with nvidia may not be applicable to me. I just want the performance and good tech support.

So I will give you my Fury X for your 1080Ti, deal?

And deprive us of these constant threads. No sir...

cdawall · Nov 13, 2017

xkm1948 said:
Still remember your 480 crossfire thread. That was a sight for sore eyes.

I still have issues with Polaris cards... I do wish I would have kept those 480's though.

Toothless · Nov 14, 2017

xkm1948 said:
I just do VR and CUDA coding, so your problems with nvidia may not be applicable to me. I just want the performance and good tech support.

So I will give you my Fury X for your 1080Ti, deal?

I'll take you up except I offer my 780 over my 1080Ti.

It's my goodest child. :roll:

FR@NK · Nov 14, 2017

The one good thing I love about the fury x is the small physical size of the card.

xkm1948 · Nov 14, 2017

FR@NK said:
The one good thing I love about the fury x is the small physical size of the card.

Well once you factor in the radiator it no longer is a good option, size wise.

eidairaman1 · Nov 14, 2017

Aquinus said:
I stayed away from Fury in general because it was the first stab at using HBM and my general rule of thumb is always wait until at least the 2nd generation of a product so the kinks can get worked out.

I'm still rockin the 290VX myself, but then again I'm pretty much set for awhile till i finally get a 2K monitor Lol, I'm still on a 17" 1280x1024. This card will eventually have custom memory timings, clock and voltage steps, just to see how far I can go with the VX cooler

Fouquin · Nov 14, 2017

Huh I'm not seeing poor performance from my Fury X. I don't have all the results handy but at the very least in Witcher III and Time Spy it's sitting right above the GTX 980 (1329MHz) and right below a GTX 1070 (2088MHz). The limited overclocking of the Fury X doesn't help it keep up but it's certainly not struggling at 1440p.

Here are the numbers I got:

Edit: Adding in some easier to digest numbers. Using the minimum frame times of the Fury X at each resolution as the baseline (100%), here's the performance summary.

GTX 1070
1080p: ~133%
1440p: ~130%
2160p: ~115%

GTX 980
1080p: ~84%
1440p: ~71%
2160P: ~73%

I wish I had the rest of the results from my current test suite for comparison. I guess you could say it's not performing as well as it could be, but at my native resolution of 1440p I'm not noticing issues in any of the games I play.

Assimilator · Nov 14, 2017

Expecting a flagship card from 2.5 years ago to still perform like a flagship? You're gonna have a bad time.

cucker tarlson · Nov 14, 2017

Yet you don't expect GTX 980/R9 390 beating Fury X, that is a sign of terrible aging. Probably a lot worse than Kepler since Fury X was faster than 980 and their own R9 390 at launch.

https://www.purepc.pl/karty_graficz...duty_wwii_dramat_graczy_i_zolnierzy?page=0,10

https://www.purepc.pl/karty_graficz...duty_wwii_dramat_graczy_i_zolnierzy?page=0,11

https://www.purepc.pl/karty_graficz..._s_creed_origins_problemy_w_egipcie?page=0,10

https://www.purepc.pl/karty_graficz...th_shadow_of_war_srodziemie_w_ogniu?page=0,11

https://www.purepc.pl/karty_graficz...jnosci_kart_graficznych_i_procesorow?page=0,8

https://www.purepc.pl/procesory/tes..._death_of_the_outsider_bywalo_gorzej?page=0,9

RX580 beats the crap out of it consistently. It's like 1060 would beat 980Ti/TXM all the time for the nvidia side of things.

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FineWine===>FineVinegar FuryX Aging Horrible in 2017

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