i7 8700K, 8600K, 7700K Overclock results

[jboydgolfer]

I have delidded 20+ CPU's since Ivy Bridge, every single one benefitted greatly - Higher OC and much lower temps (and more stable across cores - no instant temp spiking)

Right, thats good, but its not what I asked. How many 7xxx or 8xxx CPUs have you owned and personally overclocked ? I'm not arguing whether a benefit is gained from delidding, we all know some temp gains are achieved from optimizing thermal dissipation. What im asking is , what level of experience you have (personally with these specific processors) that would cause me to take your opinion as anything more than anecdotal? I don't know you, maybe you've worked @ Intel's R&D lab ,and have very intimate knowledge on this topic, or maybe you're a crackpot who bought one kaby lake CPU that doesn't overclock great ,and now you're mad, that's why i am asking, I want to know how to view your many claims. I dont put much weight in anecdotal claims, as they are highly subjective, and VERY relative, so context helps put a perspective on this claim of yours. I have had wonderful OC'ing with Coffee lake, but i am certainly not going to apply that as a "rule of thumb" for the entire Processor series, as i am one man, with a Single CPU, out of Millions.

 

[Vario]

My Coffeelake runs cooler than my old 3770K. Have had no problems at all. Playing Space Engineers and it stays at 50 degrees C max. Why bother delidding?

 

[Vayra86]

Well, temps and OC is terrible with stock TIM, so I'm not sure why you consider it nonsense. My CPU maxed out at 4.7 before delid, now running 5.0 with ease at much lower temps than 4.7.

With stock TIM you see temp spikes across all cores all the time. It's absolute garbage (gap between die and IHS does not help either).

This is why 90% or more in OC.net's owners threads have delidded. 5.0 is a walk in the park post delid, even on cheap air cooling. I have OC'ed 7600K, 7700K, 8600K and 8700K to 5.0-5.2 on air cooling or cheap 240mm AIO after delid. None of them did 5.0 before delid. CM 212 Evo and Scythe Kotetsu will do. $30 coolers.

People that don't have the expertise or balls to delid, often settles with 4.6-4.8 at lower voltages (can't do much voltage with the pigeon poop Intel decided to use).
Anything higher than 1.35ish makes CPU's with stock TIM melt and throttle most of the time.

Not so sure why you feel the need to keep repeating yourself, once again, in a topic that is for OC results. I've asked to clean up the thread. I think you're at liberty to start your own Delid adventures topic, no?

 

[ASOT]

Same no delid and temps are great 8700 and use power plan< high performance,always 4300+ clock

 

[jboydgolfer]

ive been Crunching for over 24Hours on 4.4Ghz with my 8600k, i can run 4.6Ghz without a sweat, but i dont want that frequency for crunching, i find the 4.4Ghz is a nice mild setting, for all around usage, without needing to power down and switch profiles in between activities. I dont run a "step down" BOINC setting either, it maintains 100% cpu load, as long as its running, so when im browsing, or running other programs, they make due with whatever wcg isnt using, which isnt much

even @ 5Ghz, its max temps arent Silly ridiculous. but i realize My temps/perf arent indicative of the entire Line of intel 8xxx CPU's, some may run hotter or cooler.

 

[erocker]

Well, temps and OC is terrible with stock TIM, so I'm not sure why you consider it nonsense. My CPU maxed out at 4.7 before delid, now running 5.0 with ease at much lower temps than 4.7.

With stock TIM you see temp spikes across all cores all the time. It's absolute garbage (gap between die and IHS does not help either).

This is why 90% or more in OC.net's owners threads have delidded. 5.0 is a walk in the park post delid, even on cheap air cooling. I have OC'ed 7600K, 7700K, 8600K and 8700K to 5.0-5.2 on air cooling or cheap 240mm AIO after delid. None of them did 5.0 before delid. CM 212 Evo and Scythe Kotetsu will do. $30 coolers.

People that don't have the expertise or balls to delid, often settles with 4.6-4.8 at lower voltages (can't do much voltage with the pigeon poop Intel decided to use).
Anything higher than 1.35ish makes CPU's with stock TIM melt and throttle most of the time.

90% of who? This is completely ridiculous. A small, very small minority delid's their CPU's. It's not necessary, nor is overclocking to some random number.

 

[jboydgolfer]

90% of who? This is completely ridiculous. A small, very small minority delid's their CPU's. It's not necessary, nor is overclocking to some random number.

this is another good point to make.


honestly....
I am genuinely curious, as ive never even noticed this member before 2 or 3 days ago, but since i have noticed him ,he has repeatedly posted how terrible these Intels chips are for OC'ing (due to poor Thermal transfer from Diode to IHS). I couldnt care less either way, but since he keeps mentioning it, i figured i'd atleast offer him the opportunity to explain himself, and show me why i should take him seriously, instead of writing him off as another crackpot. It seems that he lost internet service, or had more pressing matters to attend to after i asked him to explain his statements....but He could very well Know a great deal ,as i mentioned, i dont know Him, maybe he works for Intel, and has intimate knowledge of the construction process, or maybe he bought a single chip, and is mad because it is terrible @ OC'ing. It just seems to me ,that if your willing to post the same information repeatedly, You might wanna be prepred to back up your comments with reality based facts, and repeatable methods/results. But if I dont hear a reason to believe otherwise, im going to chalk this "opinion" up to BS, and move on (as was suggested earlier to me by another member). if these chips are shit OC'ers, i dont have a problem with it, Im not mad at dude for saying it, im just trying to get a rational response as to why and how he came to that conclusion.

 

[EarthDog]

He's been doing it for weeks. I called him out on it several times since.

The problem I have is twofold...

1. The issue isn't as extreme as his words continuously say. Yes, if you want that extra 100-200 Mhz which is the average increase, then go for it. Some chips ARE worse than others and are good candidates. Others, like mine and who have posted to him, don't need to reach that magical 5 GHz value people strive for. 90% is an insane number of overclockers who delid. Forums like OCN, or even here, are not a valid cross section to go off of.
2. He says it nearly everywhere. After I called it out enough, he eventually put that crap in his signature as well... but yeah..

Troll is a troll.

 

[Vayra86]

this is another good point to make.


honestly....
I am genuinely curious, as ive never even noticed this member before 2 or 3 days ago, but since i have noticed him ,he has repeatedly posted how terrible these Intels chips are for OC'ing (due to poor Thermal transfer from Diode to IHS). I couldnt care less either way, but since he keeps mentioning it, i figured i'd atleast offer him the opportunity to explain himself, and show me why i should take him seriously, instead of writing him off as another crackpot. It seems that he lost internet service, or had more pressing matters to attend to after i asked him to explain his statements....but He could very well Know a great deal ,as i mentioned, i dont know Him, maybe he works for Intel, and has intimate knowledge of the construction process, or maybe he bought a single chip, and is mad because it is terrible @ OC'ing. It just seems to me ,that if your willing to post the same information repeatedly, You might wanna be prepred to back up your comments with reality based facts, and repeatable methods/results. But if I dont hear a reason to believe otherwise, im going to chalk this "opinion" up to BS, and move on (as was suggested earlier to me by another member). if these chips are shit OC'ers, i dont have a problem with it, Im not mad at dude for saying it, im just trying to get a rational response as to why and how he came to that conclusion.

That was my initial response earlier to this as well. Instead we get another page filled with the same back and forth I've seen in countless other topics already.

This topic is for RESULTS. SCREENSHOTS. STATS. @las put your money where your mouth is, 20 delidded CPUs, show the goods. Until then you're on my shitlist.

 

[erocker]

That was my initial response earlier to this as well. Instead we get another page filled with the same back and forth I've seen in countless other topics already.

This topic is for RESULTS. SCREENSHOTS. STATS. @las put your money where your mouth is, 20 delidded CPUs, show the goods. Until then you're on my shitlist.

I'm going to clean that up. Add the "RESULTS, SCREENSHOTS" thing in the OP if you don't mind. If you can't edit it, let me know.

 

[jboydgolfer]

im excited too, @RealNeil offered to send me the Delidding tool he has, WITH the Conductonaut LM & Gasket Sealant, so im planning on making this already capable chip, even more capable. I cant wait to see what I can squeeze out of it then...but ill only run the high OC's for limited periods while benching etc, the majority of the time, ill be set at 4+Ghz, coddling the chip.

 

[Vayra86]

im excited too, @RealNeil offered to send me the Delidding tool he has, WITH the Conductonaut LM & Gasket Sealant, so im planning on making this already capable chip, even more capable. I cant wait to see what I can squeeze out of it then...but ill only run the high OC's for limited periods while benching etc, the majority of the time, ill be set at 4+Ghz, coddling the chip.

Sweet. Keep us posted!

 

[radrok]

I'm getting 5,2GHz stable on 1,36v. Motherboard is Z370 Godlike from MSI, solid board if I may add.

This is a pic of my previous 5,1GHz overclock, will upload one later with the 5,2GHz results.

Temps are toasty though, 86c on P95 small FFTs

 

[jboydgolfer]

I'm getting 5,2GHz stable on 1,36v. Motherboard is Z370 Godlike from MSI, solid board if I may add.

This is a pic of my previous 5,1GHz overclock, will upload one later with the 5,2GHz results.

Temps are toasty though, 86c on P95 small FFTs

What cooler are you running? I'm on mobile so I can't see stats, so please excuse me if you have it filled out. The temps don't seem that ridiculous ,because theyre are about 10c or more ,warmer than mine was @ 5.2 GHz but mine lacks HT.

 

[sneekypeet]

What cooler are you running? I'm on mobile so I can't see stats, so please excuse me if you have it filled out. The temps don't seem that ridiculous ,because theyre are about 10c or more ,warmer than mine was @ 5.2 GHz but mine lacks HT.

Typically, if you turn the phone horizontally the system specs drop down shows Although, I do know you have issues with TPU and mobile, so it may not help.

 

[jboydgolfer]

Typically, if you turn the phone horizontally the system specs drop down shows Although, I do know you have issues with TPU and mobile, so it may not help.

it doesnt help. but i am at my DT now, and see the answer to my question.

 

[radrok]

What cooler are you running? I'm on mobile so I can't see stats, so please excuse me if you have it filled out. The temps don't seem that ridiculous ,because theyre are about 10c or more ,warmer than mine was @ 5.2 GHz but mine lacks HT.

I'm using an Aquacomputer Kryos Next waterblock

 

[EarthDog]

I have that block... wanted the oled model.

Typically, if you turn the phone horizontally the system specs drop down shows Although, I do know you have issues with TPU and mobile, so it may not help.

fyi, i use chrome. In order to see the system specs dropdown, i need to run desktop site. Rotating the phone doesnt do it (in my case).

 

[radrok]

I have that block... wanted the oled model.

I love it, here's a quick pic of my arranged setup.

Spoiler

I really need to get into making it final (change tubing, route cables, hide PSU outgoing cables with a cover, etc...)

 

[EarthDog]

Looks awesome man.

(I have the case too..)

 

[Bones]

Well, temps and OC is terrible with stock TIM, so I'm not sure why you consider it nonsense. My CPU maxed out at 4.7 before delid, now running 5.0 with ease at much lower temps than 4.7.

With stock TIM you see temp spikes across all cores all the time. It's absolute garbage (gap between die and IHS does not help either).

This is why 90% or more in OC.net's owners threads have delidded. 5.0 is a walk in the park post delid, even on cheap air cooling. I have OC'ed 7600K, 7700K, 8600K and 8700K to 5.0-5.2 on air cooling or cheap 240mm AIO after delid. None of them did 5.0 before delid. CM 212 Evo and Scythe Kotetsu will do. $30 coolers.

People that don't have the expertise or balls to delid, often settles with 4.6-4.8 at lower voltages (can't do much voltage with the pigeon poop Intel decided to use).
Anything higher than 1.35ish makes CPU's with stock TIM melt and throttle most of the time.

All I can add is this isn't accurate - Even if 90% there did in fact delid not nearly that many saw the drop in temps as you've claimed. Not to mention OCN itself does not represent even a large minority vs all the rest that have before in other places or even those that aren't members of any forum in general.
I can't say some didn't see this difference, obviously it's gonna depend on the individual chip and the exact setup they have but no way was this amount of temp drop seen by that many.

Speaking of which this is what my 7700K does after delidding ran at stock on good aircooling with voltages well within the realm of stock at 100% load across all cores. I've also included one with a run done with a moderate OC applied with lower voltages used than some could get with the speeds used meaning less heat is being generated with it at these lower voltages vs others. HWbot X265 with the 4K preset on high, temp and load monitoring done while each was done.

You'd expect my temps to be lower based on what you said but it's not - I do admit mine is a single example and doesn't represent the whole but even I haven't seen the percentage stated over there or elsewhere.

BTW I'm Kryton over at OCN so you know I know what I'm talking about here, not trying to jerk your's or anyone else's chain, just showing what the deal is here.

At 100% stock:

With a moderate OC applied:

 

[Vario]

All I can add is this isn't accurate - Even if 90% there did in fact delid not nearly that many saw the drop in temps as you've claimed. Not to mention OCN itself does not represent even a large minority vs all the rest that have before in other places or even those that aren't members of any forum in general.
I can't say some didn't see this difference, obviously it's gonna depend on the individual chip and the exact setup they have but no way was this amount of temp drop seen by that many.

Speaking of which this is what my 7700K does after delidding ran at stock on good aircooling with voltages well within the realm of stock at 100% load across all cores. I've also included one with a run done with a moderate OC applied with lower voltages used than some could get with the speeds used meaning less heat is being generated with it at these lower voltages vs others. HWbot X265 with the 4K preset on high, temp and load monitoring done while each was done.

You'd expect my temps to be lower based on what you said but it's not - I do admit mine is a single example and doesn't represent the whole but even I haven't seen the percentage stated over there or elsewhere.

BTW I'm Kryton over at OCN so you know I know what I'm talking about here, not trying to jerk your's or anyone else's chain, just showing what the deal is here.

At 100% stock:
View attachment 98872
With a moderate OC applied:
View attachment 98873

Here is my non delidded system at stock settings running Prime95 with AVX2, the Small FFT test. I don't see a reason to have any better temps than that, it is pretty damn good. Why risk killing my processor, ruining my resale value, and voiding my intel warranty?

 

[Vayra86]

Here is my non delidded system at stock settings running Prime95 with AVX2, the Small FFT test. I don't see a reason to have any better temps than that, it is pretty damn good. Why risk killing my processor, ruining my resale value, and voiding my intel warranty?
View attachment 98903

I gotta say this is a pretty glorious vCore for 4.8. Well played sir

 

[Vario]

Sorry to disappoint but that is the stock vcore and stock frequency settings However, it debunks the idea that all of these things run hot. They don't.

 

[Vayra86]

Sorry to disappoint but that is the stock vcore and stock frequency settings

Then why does your sig say 4.8 @ 1.2v?

Never mind, my reading error. Missed the stock in your post.