NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti Founders Edition 11 GB

[swirl09]

So real question, anyone can answer. Next year( when 3080TI or whatever its name may be) is release, is $1500USD going to be an acceptable price because it is 38% faster than 2080TI?

Ill answer your real(/hypothetical) question. If Im being honest, I would say Id have to see how I feel at the time, but I believe I would be leaning towards a no.

The only reason I purchased a 2080ti is because I remember thinking the wait between the Titan and the 1080ti was painfully slow and I thought to myself I would have rather spent the money on the Titan than wait again. I wasnt expecting to be buying any card right now, I thought Turing would launch with 2070/2080, wth the 2080 only just edging the 1080ti and my hope was a non-silly-3k Titan would show up soon after and I would buy it.

But Nvidia seems to be pushing up the Titan brand, and to my luck (I use “luck” loosely here) the 2080ti is announced right out the gate for the old Titan price point.

It is pushing things to their tolerance point, but I am sure thats no mistake on Nvidias part. It may be more than Id have liked to spend, but I appreciate it is a physically huge chunk of silicon and that R&D cost is a thing (whether we like it or not).

For what its worth, (IMO!) I dont see the prices going up further, but I do think a grand for a flagship will be the new norm.

 

[kings]

The sad truth is, If Apple can sell an iPhone for +$1200, in a market where there is a lot of competition... Nvidia will have no problem selling a $1200 graphics card, that is almost twice as fast the best AMD card.

 

[Metroid]

I was not expecting anything major here and it wasn't in the end, coming from 16nm to 12nm, that is 4nm of difference or 25%, 25% is what i expected and it was delivered, the problem is the price and that is what nvidia got wrong, nvidia should have msrp this at maximum of $499 for a rtx 2080ti, $399 for a rtx 2080 and $299 for the rtx 2070 and since amd's 7nm is coming, this might become one of the worse possible release to date concerning price.

 

[Frick]

I'm not understanding all the complaints. The ONLY true bad thing is the price. There are no bad products, just bad pricing. If a 2080Ti was $100, you'd all shut up (well...maybe not...eh). That's not possible. I can never can afford the newest GPU's, so I wouldn't be able to get it anyway. But nothing about it screams "terrible" like some of the posters make it seem. It still beats out a 1080Ti if you were a big spender anyway and certainly beats out anything AMD bothered with. If you're gaming at 4K, this will absolutely be on your radar. And luckily some of the newer features aren't as proprietary as Nvidia tends to make them. There will absolutely be games coming up and much broader support than PhysX or GameWorks, etc. I think the complaints are coming from those who spend top dollar every single cycle and buy the top $60 AAA game on release dates and everything that doesn't meet that highest marginal "wants" is looked at like peasantry. Any reasonable person is more cautious with their money regardless of where in the rankings said product is.

How do you aquire a product? By buying it with money. What determines if a product is worth the money? The cost in relation to what you get. It's like that with every single thing we buy. Some things provide value by being exclusive and niched (like Mount Balnc pens), while others provide value by sacrificing form in order to make a statement or have a lower price. The only exception is art, which can't really have a purpose other than itself.

This is a consumer GPU in a hobby market. It's not special, exclusive or niched (that would be the purpose of Titan) and thus the price has to make sense, but it really, really doesn't. And that "you wouldn't complain if it was cheaper" argument is ... I really don't understand what you mean. No, we wouldn't. That's the whole point.

And any complaints about the performance is really a complaint about either the perf/price ratio or a complaint about the state of the industry as a whole (lack of competition, creeping prices) and both complaints are excessively valid. These things are good (especially at 4K), but not for the money.

 

[moproblems99]

I was not expecting anything major here and it wasn't in the end, coming from 16nm to 12nm, that is 4nm of difference or 25%, 25% is what i expected and it was delivered, the problem is the price and that is what nvidia got wrong, nvidia should have msrp this at maximum of $499 for a rtx 2080ti, $399 for a rtx 2080 and $299 for the rtx 2070 and since amd's 7nm is coming, this might become one of the worse possible release to date concerning price.

So, it may be expensive but maybe lay off the alcohol.

 

[DEFEATEST]

...And they will be all gone in no time....cuz sheep and youtube.

 

[jaggerwild]

...And they will be all gone in no time....cuz sheep and youtube.

Cause of we all think they wont you mean?(im lost)........

 

[jigar2speed]

Its not a bad card, its the bad pricing.

 

[techy1]

Its not a bad card, its the bad pricing.

is there any way we can get this product without price? if no - then it is bad product.

 

[wolf]

Great comprehensive review as always @W1zzard

Always get a laugh when people complain that the single fastest/best product in a category is expesnive/overpriced... of course it is.

This is what it costs to have the best, by a wide margin, on day 1. You gotta pay for the privilege of being the top dog. Oh how quickly its forgotten that nobody is innocent in this game...

Id like to see what turing is truely capable of woth a node shrink and fully unlocked core count, but even for now its a commendable effort.

 

[Frick]

Great comprehensive review as always @W1zzard

Always get a laugh when people complain that the single fastest/best product in a category is expesnive/overpriced... of course it is.

This is what it costs to have the best, by a wide margin, on day 1. You gotta pay for the privilege of being the top dog. Oh how quickly its forgotten that nobody is innocent in this game...

And I just get sad when people miss the point.

 

[medi01]

When NV GPU delivers: We demand 1000fps at 8k for $200, while still complaining about “big bad green”

The strawman is strong in you, citizen.

It's about how far can you bend over backwards, really.
1080 was 27% more expensive than 980, but then it was 40%-ish faster, but while nvidia was making revenue record after revenue recored, there were multiple excuses on top of it, "new process is expensive" ON THIS VERY SITE.

Now, brief look at perf/$ of Techpowerup chart clearly demonstrates the issue, with 2xxx series, prices rise faster than performance (and that on a site that did sign "innovative" NDA... we will get full picture when heise.de/computerbase.de review the cards).

No no, of course you can bend over backwards, no worries.

Always get a laugh when people complain that the single fastest/best product in a category is expesnive/overpriced... of course it is.

2080 is not "single fastest best product", in fact it is rivaled by 1080Ti, nor is 2070.
It's not hard to see, really, you just need to get from that shackle of lies of yours.

adored was wrong - this is WORSE, he did predicted +40% increase over gtx1080 ti - but obviously that was leakded from nvidias "testing guidlines".

"Testing guidlines" weren't available, when AdoredTV made that claim, so, uh, would you mind?

 

[Voluman]

Thank you for the great review!

Can you check it with Unity Adam standalone pack? I am really curious what it should be.

 

[Assimilator]

This is a consumer GPU in a hobby market. It's not special, exclusive or niched...

Completely incorrect. The fastest anything in any segment occupies - by its very definition - a special, exclusive niche that allows it to command whatever price it wants, until it is superseded by something faster.

1080 was 27% more expensive than 980, but then it was 40%-ish faster, but while nvidia was making revenue record after revenue recored, there were multiple excuses on top of it, "new process is expensive" ON THIS VERY SITE.

What, exactly, is your point?

NVIDIA isn't making life-saving medical supplies for everyone, they are producing a luxury product for a small market, and they are within their rights to charge whatever they think that market will bear. The fact that you think that's exploitative and unfair and wrong doesn't matter one iota, because this is pure capitalism at work and it doesn't give a s**t about your feelings.

If you want prices to come down, stop complaining about a company that has effectively monopolised its market by simply being better than everyone else, and start complaining about the everyone else that consistently fails to compete. Until AMD RTG pull their collective heads out of their collective you-know-whats and git gud, or Intel actually finally manages to deliver a discrete GPU that isn't terrible, NVIDIA is the only game in town, and the only game in town gets to charge whatever the hell it wants.

2080 is not "single fastest best product", in fact it is rivaled by 1080Ti, nor is 2070.

We're talking about the 2080 Ti, the subject of this review - do try to keep up. And the fact of the matter is that RTX 2080 Ti is, hands down, the single fastest graphics card in the world to date.

 

[B-Real]

Checking other reviewers' results, the 2080 - 2080 Ti is even worse than in Your reviews. 2080 is ~ 1080 Ti (no 9% difference in 4K but 0-1%) and 2080 Ti is around 20-30 (not 39%).

An absolute failure gen in terms of price/performance.

 

[ensabrenoir]

...the cards are a total "winged unicorn." to those willing to buy the dream. Curious to see what the GTX 2070's bring to the table.

 

[Captain_Tom]

Checking other reviewers' results, the 2080 - 2080 Ti is even worse than in Your reviews. 2080 is ~ 1080 Ti (no 9% difference in 4K but 0-1%) and 2080 Ti is around 20-30 (not 39%).

An absolute failure gen in terms of price/performance.

Because the GK100 for $1000 and GP104 for $700+ was good price/perf?

 

[efikkan]

GTX 2080 might be about $50 too expensive, but isn't a bad deal. GTX 2080 Ti is too expensive, but this is still not unprecedented; GeForce 8800 Ultra launched at $850 (~$1034 today).

Still, it's sad to see that another thread is just polluted by FUD. You know people are spoiled when they complain about a successor just being 39% better and just being 18% more energy efficient, and offer features you can't fully utilize yet. The tone was completely different when the shoe was on the other foot; not just forum members, but also most of the tech press touted AMD's glorious Mantle and (imaginary) Direct3D 12 advantage.

 

[zilul]

but also most of the tech press touted AMD's glorious Mantle and (imaginary) Direct3D 12 advantage.

Because it isn't a proprietary technology, it's for the benefit of the whole industry, and probably RTX won't be possible if it wasn't for DX12.

As for my opinion, if Nv can charge this much, logically it mean there is people who are willing to pay this huge price, and it will continue until the next major economical crisis or war, people in time of stability tend to destruct themselves with compulsive consumerism.

 

[Vya Domus]

and probably RTX won't be possible if it wasn't for DX12.

RTX runs under DXR. Nvidia, AMD and Microsoft probably talked about and developed these technologies long before we got to know about them.

 

[moproblems99]

The tone was completely different when the shoe was on the other foot

You know everybody says that but I just don't see it. The only difference is who is complaining. I'll admit that I didn't think Touring would get performance increases as it did and nVidia should most likely be commended for pulling that off. I just don't see RTX struggling to push 1080@60 on the top card as an accomplishment. In fact, I am more impressed with what they were able to do with 'base' performance improvements.

All that said, the price is still too damn high.

 

[W1zzard]

and probably RTX won't be possible if it wasn't for DX12.

RTX works with NVIDIA OptiX (their own API that's been out for like 5 years), Microsoft DXR and Vulkan RT. Vulkan is open source

 

[dwade]

Preordered 2. 9900k by next month to drive these two beast. I'm not waiting for Navi and neither should anyone since it'll be a PS5 exclusive---AMD abandoned PC gamers for console gamers; remember that when you decide to support this company.

 

[zilul]

Preordered 2. 9900k by next month to drive these two beast. I'm not waiting for Navi and neither should anyone since it'll be a PS5 exclusive---AMD abandoned PC gamers for console gamers; remember that when you decide to support this company.

Yea why not, but bringing AMD and beating the dead horse in every of your comments won't help with the lack of high end competition either, because right now you are appearing like a diehard Nvidia shill, you are just indirectly telling people "I'm biased so don't take my comments seriously".

Many people are happy with their RX580/570/560 etc, they didn't made a bad choice or did a supportive purchase as your comment imply, they bought it because the product is competitive and maybe cheaper depend where they live, that's all.

RTX works with NVIDIA OptiX (their own API that's been out for like 5 years), Microsoft DXR and Vulkan RT. Vulkan is open source

Thanks for the info, but I was talking about the gaming engines, which use DX or vulkan as far as I know.

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

Preordered 2. 9900k by next month to drive these two beast. I'm not waiting for Navi and neither should anyone since it'll be a PS5 exclusive---AMD abandoned PC gamers for console gamers; remember that when you decide to support this company.

Low quality bait M8. This kinda post work better over on reddit.

There is no evidence that Navi will be PS5 exclusive. Sony may get early access if they are helping to finance it, but that does not mean it wont be made into PC GPUs.

AMD also didnt abandon the Pc for consoles. They released the polaris chips to great success, and released the half baked Vegas. They are not very competent at GPUs right now, but they are still there.

Also keep in mind AMD has way less revenue then either nvidia or intel, and is competing against both and doing SOMETHING. The fact the 480 was as close to nvidia's 1060as it was was a miracle. Now, with ryzen making serious dough and AMD finally clawing back some server sales, investment in RTG should allow a new arch that is at least somewhat competitive with turing.