Ryzen Owners Zen Garden

[robot zombie]

Ended up getting the Aorus AX370-Gaming 5

Sidegrade more than an upgrade, but it has voltage offsets and P-state overclocking control at the cost of one M.2 slot

Color scheme suits my case better anyway with the white accents

Hmhp... rad fans not RGB. Not impressed.

 

[Mussels]

Hmhp... rad fans not RGB. Not impressed.

they arent visible with the side panel on, or they'd be there

 

[robot zombie]

they arent visible with the side panel on, or they'd be there

I'm just bustin yer chops man. It looks great.

I've been running this 4.2ghz, 1.3v overclock for a while now but lately I've been thinking of taking it down a notch. Sick of my fans kicking up for everything. The voltage jump needed to hit 4.2 vs 4.1 is rather high, and so is the temperature gain. Under the meanest, heaviest stress testing that 4.2ghz overclock will push things up to ~75C. Which isn't terrible for me, but it's the limit of what my cooling setup can handle. Not that I ever hit that - the closest I get is when my heavily compressed backups run. For gaming and audio stuff I may see 60C at most.

The really annoying thing about this board is that fans are actually tied to socket temp instead of core temp, so I have a much narrower region to set my curves to... ...between 28C and just over 60C (SOCKET temp, not CPU.) Seems like a minor thing, but it really is a huge PITA. For whatever reason, and I don't know if it's this motherboard, or just the combination of this board and the 2600, but in HWiNFO64, the sensor marked CPU is socket temp, and that's what the fans follow, whether via BIOS or software. It's so beyond stupid, I can't understand...

And since it's not responding to core temps, once the socket heats up they just run and run, even if the CPU has dropped from 80C to 60C. So to keep up with that 4.2 OC, I have to set them to basically max when the socket hits just over 60C. But the CPU could be significantly hotter or cooler than that at any point. Fans won't know that. The socket doesn't really get hotter than 65C no matter what. Basically makes it so I have to make the fans ramp up towards max speed way before I need them to just to have the air when I really need it. But what this means is that when I'm gaming and hitting 55C, the fans are running at like 75% or 80%. And that 80% isn't doing more than 60% would do for it. And then when I stop the game, the fans will continue to run hard for a solid minute after, while the socket cools, even though the CPU has long since dropped to its 30C idle.

The flipside is that say my CPU jumps to 75C quickly. It will take as long as 10 seconds before the fans rise to meet the needs of that, because the socket is still warming up. It's possible it wouldn't hit that temperature to begin with if the damned fans had just kicked up when they were supposed to

I could set up a bunch of different fan curves, but I like stuff to work one way and have that one way work for everything. Once it's setup I shouldn't need to mess with it to keep it working like I want it to.

Or I could set it to have the fans "cap out" at whatever speed I want for my usual usage. Set the fan curves to max at like 75C and then put a dot at 60C running whatever percentage I want. Since the socket doesn't go much over 60 the fans wouldn't speed up past that. And yet as long as they're spinning fast enough at that point, they'll keep it cool and reasonably quiet. But somehow I don't like that. I just think, well, what if I ever do run something more demanding? Then I'm in for a thermal shutdown situation.

So I said screw it, swapped MX-4 for Kryonaut, and dropped the CPU down to 4.1ghz @ 1.225v. Biiig step down for minimal performance loss. Now IBT only pushes me up to 63 or 64C. Small FFT's plateau about 61C. And now I never have my fans maxing. I barely even hear them. Temperature still went down while playing Fallout 4, even bringing the fan curves down. The room also stays much, much cooler during long gaming sessions

Funny how that happens with core clock and power, though. 4.1 and below, temperature, current, and voltage go up in small increments. But take it up to 4.2 and suddenly the voltage has to go way up, power usage goes up by at least 20W, current draw increases by like 20%, and temperatures go up at least a full 10C. I'm assuming that sharp efficiency drop has something to do with infinity fabric. It's just... ...it really is an insane amount of heat to get 100mhz.

 

[Mussels]

I cant figure out if i should bother OCing this chip or leaving it on the stock XFR, with a ram OC i'm getting really high benchmarks and seeing large FPS gains in games - something like 20FPS higher in starcraft II (40FPS average late game), and 30FPS higher in PUBG (apart from drops as areas/players load in, i'm quite constant at 144)

AMD really, REALLY nailed it with the second gen X chips

 

[Johan45]

The "X" variants really don't need much if any OC. Boosting to 4350 on a couple cores 4000 +- on all. If you want to raise your all-core boost look for the core perf boost overdrive in the AMD CBS settings. This allows you to stay on auto voltage with all boost function but will raise the all-core boost as high as the voltage/cooling will allow but not over the native boost max of 4350. Achieving 4.1 or 4.15 should be possible without too much effort

 

[YautjaLord]

Have being fiddling with all the options in AMD CBS thingy (it's in "Peripherals", ffs!!! ), comes when you install F22 UEFI update. Only thing i touched/enabled was Custom Pstates/Throttling P0 option, the rest @ Auto. Things to learn:
DF Common Options
NBIO Common options
UMI Common Options.
What are these? How do you tweak them? WTF? Right now @ 3.9GHz/1.4v, but after 3rd run of Cinebench R15 was "greated" with Win 10 Recovery BSOD. So far it looks like this:
CPU frequency: 100MHz
Multiplier: x39
vCore: 1.4v
SoC: 1.05v
DRAM voltage: 1.35
SoC LLC: Turbo
vCore LLC: Turbo
Rest @ Auto.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

So I've got a 2600x crosshair hero7 and ram arriving tomorrow , Can i join your den of tranquility.

 

[Johan45]

So I've got a 2600x crosshair hero7 and ram arriving tomorrow , Can i join your den of tranquility.

You'll enjoy it, a nice step up from the 8350 even with 2 fewer cores.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

You'll enjoy it, a nice step up from the 8350 even with 2 fewer cores.

I wanted an upgrade path, to save a few coin and I really , really didn't have the money.
But what's food to me lolz, expendable.

Kin phones are shit , mine knows words i don't.

 

[GoldenX]

I'm waiting for the Zen2 APUs as the next upgrade, it may be a downgrade in graphics performance, but 65w alone vs 65 + 180w is hard to beat.

 

[robot zombie]

So I've got a 2600x crosshair hero7 and ram arriving tomorrow , Can i join your den of tranquility.

Enjoy it dude, I'm excited for you! 2600X is a killer chip. They're right in that sweet spot of competitive price point and serious get-shit-done territory. You can easily build a legit high-end machine around one. If someone told me such strong and balanced performance could be had in a hexa-core for that money a couple of years ago, I'd have laughed.

 

[Mussels]

The "X" variants really don't need much if any OC. Boosting to 4350 on a couple cores 4000 +- on all. If you want to raise your all-core boost look for the core perf boost overdrive in the AMD CBS settings. This allows you to stay on auto voltage with all boost function but will raise the all-core boost as high as the voltage/cooling will allow but not over the native boost max of 4350. Achieving 4.1 or 4.15 should be possible without too much effort

I dont have CBO with x370, thats the one feature that needs x470

4.1 all core and 4.35 single seems to be what i'm getting, and pulling that off at stock settings just seems absurd... its been so long since a CPU came out that didnt need tweaking to get max performance

 

[robot zombie]

I dont have CBO with x370, thats the one feature that needs x470

4.1 all core and 4.35 single seems to be what i'm getting, and pulling that off at stock settings just seems absurd... its been so long since a CPU came out that didnt need tweaking to get max performance

That's friggen awesome performance... sounds like you really got a winner there! 4.1 all core is what I'm doing with my manual OC on my 2600. At most I can squeeze out 4.2. I'm lucky, my chip takes really low voltages to drive those boosts (1.22 for 4.1!) Still, running a flat-bar manual overclock limits me, power and temperature-wise.

I dunno, to have SC boost up to 4.35 and still hold that 4.1 across all cores sounds pretty sweet to me. Especially on an 8-core! I agree that is kind of absurd.

That's one thing where I think AMD really knocked it out. I think they must've known that their chips would need extra tuning to really perform. Anyone who's messed with one knows Ryzen CPU's can be incredibly finnicky. But AMD didn't want to be that "Well, if you set this and that it'll do this." They put a lot of emphasis on tuning and out of the box performance. I think Ryzen is one of the best I've seen in that regard. I remember reading all of the crazy shit you'd have to do with FX to get these big increases in benchmarks and such... ...and on one hand it's great that there's a way to do that, but even better if it just did, you know? Sometimes no OC headroom is a good thing. Means the makers sat down and really got to know their chips and tuned them as optimally as possible.

And lets face it, the manufacturer is always going to do a better job than your typical overclocker... ...if they want to, that is. The engineers working on it know those chips better than any of us even have a way to. It's cool to see that actually put to use. It's good to have options and we all love getting 20% or more improvements, but it's nice when you don't have to. Means they're already performing to their full potential. Like, when the performance is already there and you have to ask yourself, "Why overclock?" that's probably a good thing. That never happens.

 

[Flyordie]

Well... Do Threadripper owners get to join?

 

[GoldenX]

Well... Do Threadripper owners get to join?

Of course, but a Cinebench is mandatory.

 

[Vya Domus]

Even though the memory speeds won't budge at the very least it appears that I got a fairly good chip. 3.9 Ghz with just 1.35V.

 

[GoldenX]

Even though the memory speeds won't budge at the very least it appears that I got a fairly good chip. 3.9 Ghz with just 1.35V.

Same here then. Try 1.45v if temps allow it, maybe you can reach 4GHz.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

So ,It lives, not messed much but its doing 4.1 on all cores ,but that's first hour im going to take some time with it.
I got the wrong memory apparently ,damn ordering at 2am ,i got Corsair vengeance 3000 as a compromise on cost but it isn't happy at 3000 , best so far is 2933 and it's memory fail is a pain in the ass boot loop.
Still first hour im happy enough, but damn ,i am of the mind fx8350 were no where near as shit as some say too , i didn't gain many frames in the upgrade but time will tell.

 

[YautjaLord]

Small update & a pic if you will: just got the "Aorus" logo on my EK-FB GA-AX370 Gaming monoblock working (yay ), but then suddenly outtta f*ckin' nowhere something else popped up - set the vCore to my usual 1.375v, what do i see - jumped straight to 1.548v & no matter what i did, when @ Auto all well & good, 1.38v on vCore & temps are not fluctuating, once set to any voltage manually, 1.548v & stays there. Made me go in my head "WTF is this shit???!!!!!" Found workaround for this: unplugged the 24-pin power connector & plugged it into LCS's 24-pin adaptor thingy, removed the air bubbles (had to reconnect properly the LED RGB connector which involved temporally removing the res that stood in a way of graphics card screws & card itself, & it made the coolant move places, laws of physics abide ), turned back on - 1.380v now & all snappy. Pic of RGB awesomeness:

Yes, it also illuminates inside where coolant runs. I have joined the LED RGB craze club? jk Cheers, enjoy. Looks like "Reign In Blood" plays inside the rig from my POV. lol

 

[Vya Domus]

i got Corsair vengeance 3000

Which kit exactly ? I got something along those lines but mine doesn't want to do shit. Could you post a picture with the timings you use ?

 

[robot zombie]

So ,It lives, not messed much but its doing 4.1 on all cores ,but that's first hour im going to take some time with it.
I got the wrong memory apparently ,damn ordering at 2am ,i got Corsair vengeance 3000 as a compromise on cost but it isn't happy at 3000 , best so far is 2933 and it's memory fail is a pain in the ass boot loop.
Still first hour im happy enough, but damn ,i am of the mind fx8350 were no where near as shit as some say too , i didn't gain many frames in the upgrade but time will tell.

Ryzen is definitely picky about memory. It prefers certain ones over others, drastically. Motherboards are like that too. Mine only does 3466 max even though my ram is marked as 3600, others have boards that do less, even with the best Ryzen ram. Board makers don't make it easy. Some will list up to 3466 and it will actually do more. Others will list 3600 and you'll never hit it. Others list 3466+ which means... ...4000?

Idk it's kind of confusing and there's a lot you can't immediately know. Consensus is that Samsung b-die is the best for Ryzen. You'll know because it'll be pretty much the only ram you see advertising 3200 CL14. That and they'll be something like $60 more on average.

There really needs to be a PSA. Why all of this info can't just be made totally transparent by manufacturers and vendors is beyond me. That's the tradeoff... ...the CPU's themselves max out like it's nothing. Every time. But the RAM is finnicky as all hell. And unfortunately RAM speed makes a pretty substantial difference. With RAM prices being as they are, nobody wants to play carnival games when it comes to getting the performance they're expecting...

One thing I'd like to see on ALL RAM is dual XMP tables. Seems like there's nothing that makes a particular set for Intel or AMD other than whichever platform the manufacturer decided to configure them for. Physically they're the same. It's just a question of whether you want to manually overclock or not. It would also be nice to have speed ratings for both platforms. The same sticks will generally go faster on Intel than they will AMD, save for b-die.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

It was late, i should have known better, but it's done now, I'll do my best with it as is for now.
Well I will be messing but I'll keep the ram a bit.
Cheers good info ,them b dies are dearer damnit.

@Vya Domus will do but on fifa atm

 

[robot zombie]

It was late, i should have known better, but it's done now, I'll do my best with it as is for now.
Well I will be messing but I'll keep the ram a bit.
Cheers good info ,them b dies are dearer damnit.

They really are. I lamented for a long time before I caved and dropped the $200+. I'll say this... ...I'm glad I did - it's a real improvement, but I wish I would've known my x370-F could only do 3466 max. I guess 3466 16-15-15-15-32-54 ain't bad though. Don't even wanna tell you what I had to go through to get that going. Some people have it so easy.

Do mess with it though. Grab Thaiphoon Burner and identify what dies you actually have, pick up the DRAM calc and experiment. Might have to go looser than it suggests, but it's a good starting point. Sometimes what you're looking at is a hard wall - mobo won't post certain speeds and/or primaries, but often there's wiggle. And it's almost always one tiny nudge away, if it's gonna happen at all.

Power is super-touchy. Once you find a point where it will boot, .05v up OR down can be the difference between stable and not. It's a pita, but once you get timings that post, you really have to start incrementally going through every voltage level until you find one that's stable. And if you can't, or you're going up in voltage and stability is going backwards, go back to the last most stable DRAM voltage and start messing with SOC. If nothing works there, it's timings or termination. IME it's worth loosening secondaries first in this case. That's the order that works for me, anyway.

Like I said, pita. But if you're gonna stick with it, can't hurt to put in the time here and there. I did it in baby steps "Welp, I got x-speed to post today. Time to stop." or "Finally got past that BSOD on boot." or "Hey, that config didn't immediately spit out errors in prime95." Those are points where the only sane thing to do is save the profile and stop. It can be a process to get a less ideal setup to run good RAM speeds, though there's usually a way. Bout the best thing I can say about it. Some are luckier than others. Can't win if you don't play, though.

 

[Mussels]

Current goal is tweaking the ram... I've got 3200 C16, so i'm going to see if lower timings is possible, or higher MHz - currently 3400C16 working fine at XMP voltages/timings

 

[AlwaysHope]

Ryzen is definitely picky about memory. It prefers certain ones over others, drastically. Motherboards are like that too. Mine only does 3466 max even though my ram is marked as 3600, others have boards that do less, even with the best Ryzen ram. Board makers don't make it easy. Some will list up to 3466 and it will actually do more. Others will list 3600 and you'll never hit it. Others list 3466+ which means... ...4000?

Idk it's kind of confusing and there's a lot you can't immediately know. Consensus is that Samsung b-die is the best for Ryzen. You'll know because it'll be pretty much the only ram you see advertising 3200 CL14. That and they'll be something like $60 more on average.

There really needs to be a PSA. Why all of this info can't just be made totally transparent by manufacturers and vendors is beyond me. That's the tradeoff... ...the CPU's themselves max out like it's nothing. Every time. But the RAM is finnicky as all hell. And unfortunately RAM speed makes a pretty substantial difference. With RAM prices being as they are, nobody wants to play carnival games when it comes to getting the performance they're expecting...

One thing I'd like to see on ALL RAM is dual XMP tables. Seems like there's nothing that makes a particular set for Intel or AMD other than whichever platform the manufacturer decided to configure them for. Physically they're the same. It's just a question of whether you want to manually overclock or not. It would also be nice to have speed ratings for both platforms. The same sticks will generally go faster on Intel than they will AMD, save for b-die.

That's the way AMD designed Zen architecture, you know with the CCX bus topology & all... not much, us consumers can do about it.

b die Samsung that is single rank lot easier to OC, not double rank like with the sticks I have. To get stability with OC on double ranked sticks, enable gear down mode. It gets fiddly I know... lol... + being an early adopter of B450 platform is the price I pay for handicapped OC until bios maturity.