Ryzen Owners Zen Garden

[Johan45]

https://hwbot.org/user/phill_2/

Here is me Been a while now....

I see it has, it's like riding a bike phill

Sorry for F-bomb, but FUCK eight hundred? Definitely not this year. Thanx regardless. Will check this site out tomorrow. FYI: 500+ USD - that's how much i got for all parts for my future 8700K rig @ EKWB.

You want a big ass copper vase? You pay a big ass amount of cash.

Like I said the pot is the least of the expense. ~ 300 USD
The dewar, on the other hand, you really want to find used. https://www.amazon.ca/Worthington-D...id=1539528527&sr=8-18&keywords=nitrogen+dewar

I got lucky and picked up a bunch of gear from someone who was retiring. So in total cost ~ $700 CDN for a CPU/GPU pot, dewar and some odds and ends like a temp reader

 

[phill]

I see it has, it's like riding a bike phill

I'm not so interested in it now if I'm honest.. I'm more for collecting hardware that's special to me for a collection more than anything I've got back into gaming so the tweaking/benchmarking really helped when it came to the overclocking side of things, allows you to make one decent gaming rig

I'll keep an eye out on you tho

 

[YautjaLord]

I see it has, it's like riding a bike phill




Like I said the pot is the least of the expense. ~ 300 USD
The dewar, on the other hand, you really want to find used. https://www.amazon.ca/Worthington-D...id=1539528527&sr=8-18&keywords=nitrogen+dewar

I got lucky and picked up a bunch of gear from someone who was retiring. So in total cost ~ $700 CDN for a CPU/GPU pot, dewar and some odds and ends like a temp reader

That thing over there in link you gave will cost one big or 2-3 small salaries for me, like I said, i'm in no rush this & next year, maybe end of next year i'll think about going for it. Here's something funny stead:

This guy is funny, it's mental basically. You look for something specific, next you find something the other side of a Interwebz sewer. jk Cheers. Sorry for OT.

P.S. Googled for dewars, found all bunch of them, all looked great, also i actually wanted to show someone making all-copper LN2 pot & aluminum CPU bracket for it, but found this vid stead, sorry.

 

[Johan45]

That's awesome and he's right. I was a bit leery when I first started using this stuff ut now I'll do it in sandals. The worst is actually when it gets on clothing since it holds it in the fabric and gets seriously cold really quick.

 

[YautjaLord]

Someone said though (the YT channel named The Modern Rogue) that combination of dry ice + few gallons of alcohol sticks to your skin & leave real f*ckin' nasty burn marks on your skin pretty quick, this combination cools down though real good + it not evaporates like liquid nitrogen. The wonders of just doing research on this LN2/dry ice/etc... cooling stuff!

I'm off to GTX 1070 G1 OC'ing, +85MHz on core/GPU, +130MHz on VRAM, core voltage - 0% (Pascal does it automatically if i'm correct), no custom fan curve just manually set the fan speed to 70%, highest temp is 52 degrees C in Heaven 4.0. CPU - 3.8GHz, 1.4v vCore, 1.0v SoC, LLCs (CPU & SoC) - High. 3DMark Time Spy & Fire Strike, AvP D3D11 benchmark & AvP game, Carmageddon: Reincarnation (still not quite optimized as Carmageddon: Max Damage), Unigine Heaven, Valley & Superposition benchmarks - so far all of these stable with this graphics card OC. Use the 1080p High preset in Superposition, gets me a 9351 score with these clocks. Working on stabilizing all of this stuff before i upload complete vid to my YT channel.

Sorry for OT, just an FYI where i'm at right now with all this OC stuff. Cheers.

 

[Johan45]

Between Dry Ice and LN2, I'd pick LN2 every day. For starters the temp difference is amazing. -70° compared to -180°C . That difference in temps causes other issues with condensation as well. Being slightly warmer condensate forms closer to the "heart" of things and is more likely to cause damage in my experience. LN2 is so cold that everything close to the middle is frozen solid. Frost doesn't cause the problems that water does with electricity. The cost is comparable here for the products, still need the copper pot it's just the dewar. Preparation is the same as well which can be time-consuming if you want to keep the board in "retail" shape. If it's a dedicated motherboard and resale isn't an issue then it's full LET and no worries about water.

 

[phill]

Between Dry Ice and LN2, I'd pick LN2 every day. For starters the temp difference is amazing. -70° compared to -180°C . That difference in temps causes other issues with condensation as well. Being slightly warmer condensate forms closer to the "heart" of things and is more likely to cause damage in my experience. LN2 is so cold that everything close to the middle is frozen solid. Frost doesn't cause the problems that water does with electricity. The cost is comparable here for the products, still need the copper pot it's just the dewar. Preparation is the same as well which can be time-consuming if you want to keep the board in "retail" shape. If it's a dedicated motherboard and resale isn't an issue then it's full LET and no worries about water.

My main advice for people benching like that, have one to use and one to abuse.. That way if the abused one dies, you're not as worried about it if it ever does die because your good one is always there and you've not lost a PC for that thing called sods law...

 

[YautjaLord]

Edited my prev post, 52 C in Heaven 4.0, not 62.

@Johan45: Hence why the "just doing research", you can call me newb with all this LN2 stuff, it will not happen in this & large amount of next years, maybe by end of 2019 i'll only think about doing it. I saw some guys from Israel pulled something similar & posted their score in HWBot few years ago though if i'm not mistaken, so it gives me hope loner like me can pull it off too.

 

[Johan45]

For sure never rush it. That's when things go off the rails. As phill said, expect to lose HW, doesn't happen often but it can happen. My first dry ice experiment went way foul, lost 2 CPUs and a motherboard that day

 

[YautjaLord]

Slight deviation, but it still runs on 1700X @ 3.8GHz (benchmark even adds the "actual" to it, warms my heart ), achieved with +95MHz core/GPU, +170MHz VRAM, fan speed - still @ 70%. All of the benchmarks & 1 game test (Carma: R ) run stable, no throttling/hick ups in gameplay with all these CPU & graphics card's clocks, so consider it my Zen garden so far. jk AvP D3D11 benchmark is @ 230.7fps 1080p - 8 years to this game & benchmark & still runs & looks solid, that's how you code the game. Cheers.

P.S. CPU-Z:

Known fact that if you OC 1700X & non-X, it's basically like free upgrade to slightly beyond 1800X levels on your hands, but i digress. And no, JayzTwoCents didn't coined the "but i digress" phrase, so no "copyright strike" on me whatsoever. jk

@Johan45 @phill: We all start from somewhere & loose some or most HW parts along the way, plus that's always the deal when one starts basically anything anew. Thanx for a tip guys. Cheers.

 

[phill]

I've been fairly lucky so far if I'm honest, but I've not lost anything through overclocking or even extreme overclocking. I've lent people hardware and it's died but that's never been their fault either Just one of the weak ones in the batch they've made

Still, been lucky but also been careful No point risking hardware if you don't need to

 

[lexluthermiester]

closest to a bad thing i had was my MSI x370 had overheating VRM's with my 1700 at 1.4v - needed a fan on them to stop throttling

Thin form-factor heat-sinks would work well too.

 

[SIGSEGV]

CMK16GX4M2B3000C15, Vengeance LPX, XMP
the XMP profile doesn't work well with ASUS x470 ROG Strix (DOCP profile loosening the XMP timing from C15 to C16) but somehow I managed to OC and stable at 3266 without changing any DOCP profile.

 

[YautjaLord]

@SIGSEGV: I envy you having the 2700X, but otherwise - nice clocks on CPU & RAM. GIGABYTE BTW does have XMP 2.0 option, just click & forget. Strangely it also have DOCP pre-configured profiles too, but i resorted to XMP & - poof, voodoo magic - it works. jk

Corsair's webpage for these modules doesn't mention if it's dual-rank Hynix modules or single-rank Samsung b-Die modules. If it's Hynix - that's impressive, if Samsung - still quite impressive.

 

[Johan45]

Looks good, I would put money on some type of hynix. I have also discovered a newer breed of Samsung, still "B" but not the same stuff that is the gold standard. https://www.overclockers.com/adata-xpg-spectrix-d40-ddr4-3000-review/

 

[SIGSEGV]

@SIGSEGV: I envy you having the 2700X, but otherwise - nice clocks on CPU & RAM. GIGABYTE BTW does have XMP 2.0 option, just click & forget. Strangely it also have DOCP pre-configured profiles too, but i resorted to XMP & - poof, voodoo magic - it works. jk

Corsair's webpage for these modules doesn't mention if it's dual-rank Hynix modules or single-rank Samsung b-Die modules. If it's Hynix - that's impressive, if Samsung - still quite impressive.

it's dual-rank Hynix modules

confirmed. hyundai electronics is well-known as hynix

 

[Johan45]

I recently got a good deal on a 1950X and ROG Zenith. I thought.... Ended up having to RMA the board so this has taken a while. Finally, got it set up and working last night but still need to find a better cooling solution for it. was hitting mid-eighties on these benches

 

[phill]

Got to love those 1950X's for sheer grunt Nice one on getting the CPU!!

 

[Johan45]

Got to love those 1950X's for sheer grunt Nice one on getting the CPU!!

Thanks phill, had wanted one since release but always out of my range. Ater TR2 release I found the combo for less than half the original price and still cheaper than buying the CPU alone when they were on sale so I couldn't resist. Now ust need to master the heat this thing puts out

 

[phill]

Thanks phill, had wanted one since release but always out of my range. Ater TR2 release I found the combo for less than half the original price and still cheaper than buying the CPU alone when they were on sale so I couldn't resist. Now ust need to master the heat this thing puts out

Well for 24/7 I bet that'll be water or sub ambient.. Lets just go with LN2!!

I'm a massive fan of AMD and I really can't wait to get the two 1700X's I have here for my girl friend and daughter Isabelle up and running They have no need whatsoever for 16 thread CPUs let alone the 1080 Ti's I've got for them I just need to decide on the motherboards for them and I'll be well away
I am really looking and hoping to be able to afford a Threadripper at some point

What sort of cooling are you using at the moment?

 

[Johan45]

It's an EK Predator 360 XLC no proper mounting for TR4 have it working but feel it's not working like it should. It covers most of the die but not sure it's getting the pressure it should have.
As for boards, I really liked the MSI X470 compared to the Giga. For serious(LN2) I use the CHVII since it's already set up for that. I found the memory try it on MSI to work very well but didn't have any HYnix to test. In a lot of my reading people seem to have good luck with Asorock but I have no experience with them.

 

[phill]

It's not running on a PWM header or anything like that is it? Sometimes that's been a bit of a pain, as its not pushing it around much or if the fans are only going around at a bare minimum speed...??

The two boards I'll be buying are just for air cooling so I'll just get the best I can for them, I was tempted by the Asrock Tacihi boards... The Ultimate one looked amazing as it's got 10Gb network ports in it, which is just what I'm hoping to get eventually for all the PC's in the house Plus being AM4 boards, I can swap around CPUs if needed so if they release a monster 8 core CPU around the 5Ghz mark, can throw one of them in there and off we go

 

[Johan45]

It's not a PWM/speed problem. The CLC gets direct power

 

[phill]

Fan speed or anything like that?

 

[GoldenX]

New bios for my board, only added support for the Athlon, and put all subtimmings in lists so it doesn't fill the entire screen.