Ryzen Owners Zen Garden

[btarunr]

I misread that SANDRA entry. Apparently each chiplet still features two 4-core CCX, but each CCX has double the L3 cache amount over previous generation (16 MB). They probably needed that to cushion transfers with the I/O controller die better.

 

[biffzinker]

Too bad I'm at work otherwise I'd still be messing around with the bclk and memory divider.

 

[Mussels]

right so money came in, i can upgrade to x470 guilt free

What boards support PBO, BCLK, and CnQ at the same time? Currently looking as asrock taichi

 

[GoldenX]

right so money came in, i can upgrade to x470 guilt free

What boards support PBO, BCLK, and CnQ at the same time? Currently looking as asrock taichi

You know, a database with that kind of info would be great. We usually go mostly blind when getting a new motherboard.

 

[Mussels]

Ugh, reading on reddit shows up what a shitshow ryzen mobos are

Taichi is popular for its price, but its BIOS and BIOS updates are slow
Asus Crosshair is the king, but its almost $500 Au
Gigabyte/Auorus boards are popular, but they break RGB lighting on corsair ram (confirmed, i've got this issue) and several missing BIOS features/confusing variants of boards missing features
MSI... ehh, i'm torn. My x370 board had some things that shat me up the wall on a 1700 (no voltage offset, for example) - but seeing how using the offset at all outright screws with my aourus board, what is there to lose? Oh right the shitty overheating VRMs


edit: hell, people are only getting maybe 200Mhz more on these superior boards... might not be worth it at this point in time

 

[GoldenX]

I want to return to the times of less RGB leds and more quality on both boards and bios.

 

[biffzinker]

Asrock X470 Taichi supports bclk adjustment.
https://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/X470 Taichi/index.us.asp#Specification

 

[Mussels]

taichi has slow bios updates for agesa and no BIOS safety features at all - no USB flashing, no dual bios, nada

reddits really talking me into coughing up for the CHVII

 

[Kursah]

Got the modified 4012 BIOS flashed on my ROG Strix X370-F Gaming. I have P-States, PBO, and all sorts of goodies to tweak. Testing some settings now to see what I can accomplish and if this was worth the effort. It was actually quite easy, and if this guy mods the AGESA 1.0.0.7 BIOS the same way, I may be tempted to install it. We shall see how my experience goes. I'll report back. But so far, so good! Stable, just seems to add A LOT more stuff that was either removed, not fully implemented or hidden. Most of it I'll never touch, but having the few things I felt I wanted/needed is hopefully a good sign.

 

[robot zombie]

Got the modified 4012 BIOS flashed on my ROG Strix X370-F Gaming. I have P-States, PBO, and all sorts of goodies to tweak. Testing some settings now to see what I can accomplish and if this was worth the effort. It was actually quite easy, and if this guy mods the AGESA 1.0.0.7 BIOS the same way, I may be tempted to install it. We shall see how my experience goes. I'll report back. But so far, so good! Stable, just seems to add A LOT more stuff that was either removed, not fully implemented or hidden. Most of it I'll never touch, but having the few things I felt I wanted/needed is hopefully a good sign.

Do keep us posted... same board over here, same feelings on it

The one thing I really like about this board is how they actually crammed some decent components on. Nice, no-nonsense power handling, not the wicked double-digit phase VRM's of the Taichi or CH 470's, but actually still more than enough for a 2700X. Good audio. Decent heatsinks, for what passes for heatsinks today, anyway... ...my one, well... three issues have been a lack of certain OC features, Asus' continual problems rolling with AGESA progress, and the lack of certain RAM settings. The base board is so solid that I want to recommend a second-hand one to people looking for a budget high-performance board for Ryzen 5/7, but I just can't, you know? A better featured BIOS might just change that.

Which reminds me... ...yes @GoldenX a reference for BIOS capabilities of different boards would be friggen killer. That's always the nail biter for me. You look at the board, its advertised feature set (things like 10 gig lan, post codes, dual bios, what have you,) the components on it, the performance specs... ...and ALL of that can be perfect, but if the BIOS sucks, you're still kind of screwed...

 

[Kursah]

I can tell you so far that my BCLK attempts were a failure. 100.60 is still the max I can do without tripping "OC mode" that disables XFR2 and PBO on my 2700X, leaving me at 37XX MHz at max multi with no boost. But I still net an approximately 25MHz boost at 100.60, and was able to keep my CL14 timings on my 3200 speed at 3220 without issue.

So far performance tests are pretty much the same... a little less in CB15, a little more in Ashes CPU bench. Still messing with a few things before I check out p-state overclocking. But it seems like BCLK is out of reach for this one at the moment. Not sure if a future BIOS will fix that or not, but I was reading and confirming the same issue occurs on the ROG Strix X470-Gaming as well.

I'll definitely post more updates as I test more things!

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

taichi has slow bios updates for agesa and no BIOS safety features at all - no USB flashing, no dual bios, nada

reddits really talking me into coughing up for the CHVII

well Msi seam to be absolute best for bios updates, ive got a C7 wifi and it has all three of them(features), i actually just clicked on to them today ,i had been multi clocking, os clocking all sorts to get higher in use clocks but im at 105 Bclk for 3.8 base clocks and 4.3-35 with Pbo on and it all running itself so to speak, makes for odd times, only asus Ai suite has clicked the bus has changed to 105 and shows accurate clocks , Hwinfo shows stock clocks, I was befuddled initially , with that and good ram and 3466 is quite easy still even clocking the Bclk since Pciex, memory and therefore infinity fabric ? are on the 100 clck.

Its a good board but im not 100% happy with bios swiftness, plus I got 1001 for it when it came out ,that night one stick of ram died, I Rma'd and it happens but 1001 got emediately pulled without comment ,now 1002 is out and i use it its ok , better then before but the agesa is ancient now 1.0.0.4 i think maybe .2 , Id still buy one but I had a ChV for 5 years so im biased. , but happy ,ish.

P-state clocking?? whats that about??

Im lovin this platform for OC abilities.

 

[Johan45]

well Msi seam to be absolute best for bios updates, ive got a C7 wifi and it has all three of them(features), i actually just clicked on to them today ,i had been multi clocking, os clocking all sorts to get higher in use clocks but im at 105 Bclk for 3.8 base clocks and 4.3-35 with Pbo on and it all running itself so to speak, makes for odd times, only asus Ai suite has clicked the bus has changed to 105 and shows accurate clocks , Hwinfo shows stock clocks, I was befuddled initially , with that and good ram and 3466 is quite easy still even clocking the Bclk since Pciex, memory and therefore infinity fabric ? are on the 100 clck.

Its a good board but im not 100% happy with bios swiftness, plus I got 1001 for it when it came out ,that night one stick of ram died, I Rma'd and it happens but 1001 got emediately pulled without comment ,now 1002 is out and i use it its ok , better then before but the agesa is ancient now 1.0.0.4 i think maybe .2 , Id still buy one but I had a ChV for 5 years so im biased. , but happy ,ish.

P-state clocking?? whats that about??

Im lovin this platform for OC abilities.

Not sure if you're running in Asynchronous mode which it sounds like but that has a detrimental effect on latency. That board has a setting called PE1,2,3 etc.. Performance Enhancer is a pretty effective solution for raising all core boost, so are the PBO settings in advanced>AMD CBS section. Try playing around with these to raise all core and raising the BCLK afterward in synced mode will raise all your boost clocks even the max when using the PE settings

 

[YautjaLord]

Quick question: have anyone of you experimented with this one? I have ordered one a few hours ago, the Thermal Grizzly Hydronaut doesn't seem to keep/cope up with the heat Small FFTs test produce. 25+ mins in & it just freeze & temps are at 76-ish tDie/86-ish tCtl. Cheers, thanx in advance.

P.S. Ordered from newegg, they ship to IsraHell. lol jk

 

[ArbitraryAffection]

Ugh, reading on reddit shows up what a shitshow ryzen mobos are

Taichi is popular for its price, but its BIOS and BIOS updates are slow
Asus Crosshair is the king, but its almost $500 Au
Gigabyte/Auorus boards are popular, but they break RGB lighting on corsair ram (confirmed, i've got this issue) and several missing BIOS features/confusing variants of boards missing features
MSI... ehh, i'm torn. My x370 board had some things that shat me up the wall on a 1700 (no voltage offset, for example) - but seeing how using the offset at all outright screws with my aourus board, what is there to lose? Oh right the shitty overheating VRMs


edit: hell, people are only getting maybe 200Mhz more on these superior boards... might not be worth it at this point in time

Honestly I've been using MSI Ryzen boards almost exclusively since Zen launch and I've never had a single VRM overheat, even with 1800X @ 4.0 GHz all core in a B350 PC Mate. That said, for stability testing I would place a fan on the VRM heatsink when running Prime95, but for gaming use I never had any issues.

 

[Johan45]

Quick question: have anyone of you experimented with this one? I have ordered one a few hours ago, the Thermal Grizzly Hydronaut doesn't seem to keep/cope up with the heat Small FFTs test produce. 25+ mins in & it just freeze & temps are at 76-ish tDie/86-ish tCtl. Cheers, thanx in advance.

P.S. Ordered from newegg, they ship to IsraHell. lol jk

That's a liquid metal just so you know. I doubt it's the paste that's the problem and your temps are still well within limits. Have you tried bumping the volts just a bit?

 

[YautjaLord]

Yup, 1.4v on CPU vCore - same shit. It just freezes whenever........... Y'know, forget it Johan45, yeah, i know it (Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut) is liquid metal, that's the whole point, 76 degrees C on tDie & it hangs entire rig/system - not my cup of coffee/vodka chaser/etc..... It throttles, i don't want anything like that when i upload my first vid, that's like admitting - yeah, it got f*cked up, look, i'm an amateur. Really? Liquid metal & way below 70-ish in full load on tCtl/60-ish - tDie: that's my goal eventually. I believe monoblock has something to do with it in combination with this TIM (Thermal Grizzly Hydronaut), see if liquid metal helps. BTW/FYI: Conductonaut is one of 3 best liquid metal (metal!!!! \m/ lol) TIMs, cooler it gets, extra room for me to reach stable 4.3GHz 24/7 OC.

So, did you experimented with this mofo & just in general how was the experience? Cheers.

 

[Johan45]

I haven't used it but reports I see look impressive especially for de-lids. This isn't the same application so I wouldn't expect the 10-15° you can see on a CPU die.
What are you trying to accomplish, your build says you're running at 4.2 already
If you're trying for 4.3 both my "X" cpus needed 1.45V to stabilize

 

[DR4G00N]

Is there any good reason to update the bios on my X370 Taichi? Do the newer bios' improve oc'ing at all for 1st Gen? Currently using V3.20.

 

[Johan45]

In general, the newer BIOS made some memory compatibility improvements but you really can't extend the OC on these CPUs that much it's all HW limited. I'd say if it works stick to it.

 

[YautjaLord]

I haven't used it but reports I see look impressive especially for de-lids. This isn't the same application so I wouldn't expect the 10-15° you can see on a CPU die.
What are you trying to accomplish, your build says you're running at 4.2 already
If you're trying for 4.3 both my "X" cpus needed 1.45V to stabilize

This exactly. 1.45v on vCore too aggressive or within the 2700X sane/stable limits? Ryzen 1000 series should be 1.4v on vCore tops, my 1700X was @ 1.41v for 3.9GHz & would either boot loop like crazy, or just won't boot at all when @ 4.0GHz, it would boot into OS sometime, but any time i'd try to run Cinebench R15 it would go bananas.

Also: HPET & Power plans, i have HPET On & OS power plan is Ryzen Balanced, turn HPET Off & change power plan to High Perf or Balanced? And about the de-lid, it's der8auer's territory for now, i don't have all necessary equip right now, but i know it shaves off a good chunk of temps, just the risk is not so worthy most of the time especially if you newb/novice.

 

[Johan45]

This exactly. 1.45v on vCore too aggressive or within the 2700X sane/stable limits? Ryzen 1000 series should be 1.4v on vCore tops, my 1700X was @ 1.41v for 3.9GHz & would either boot loop like crazy, or just won't boot at all when @ 4.0GHz, it would boot into OS sometime, but any time i'd try to run Cinebench R15 it would go bananas.

Also: HPET & Power plans, i have HPET On & OS power plan is Ryzen Balanced, turn HPET Off & change power plan to High Perf or Balanced? And about the de-lid, it's der8auer's territory for now, i don't have all necessary equip right now, but i know it shaves off a good chunk of temps, just the risk is not so worthy most of the time especially if you newb/novice.

Unless you plan to run that chip for 10 years I wouldn't worry too much about using 1.45V which is the ONLY way you're going to get 4.3 unless you can drop the temps 20°+
My reference to the delid was only for LM performance on Intel CPUs
You don't need to use Ryzen PP any longer Win10 has corrected its issues with the CPU and this time around HPET doesn't seem to help and actually can hurt gaming performance

 

[YautjaLord]

I still get ~200fps in DOOM @ 1080p maxed out. I ask will HPET On hurt OC'ing, plus i disabled Win 10 Automatic updates. Will DL October 2018 update manually, from MS servers. Uninstall Ryzen Balanced plan? Gaming seems unaffected on this rig with HPET On as far as i'm concerned. Just saying.

P.S. Will be getting Zen 2/Rome CPU along with new everything except M.2 NVMe SSD & LCS, by the end of September/October 2019. Probably.

 

[Johan45]

HPET won't hurt Overclocking
No need to uninstall Ryzen PP just no need to use it anymore
SO if everything is getting replaced go to town on it, no need to worry about CPU life and if it does for some unexplained reason die between now and then just remember you never overclocked it not once lol

 

[YautjaLord]

I dunno, thanx for advice? jk
I'll wait 8 to 15 work days til Conductonaut arrives, apply it on my current (2700X) & then go to town with Zen 2/Rome (Ryzen 7 3700X? 3800X?), Zen 2 will be cooled by Conductonaut as well. I also wanna make this current rig water cooled, meaning - graphics card (GTX 1070 G1) will be water cooled as well as CPU before March 2019 (Zen 2 est. release date).