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Try how far you can go with Ryzen Master, that way you keep the idle power consumption intact and if you don't need the overclock, you just have to restart.
 
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Hi guys!
I've recently did a platform upgrade from good ol fx 8350.
Got ryzen 5 2600, msi gaming plus x470 mobo (buildzoids video about entry x470 boards convinced me) and 16gb of Flare X`s.
I entered bios chose xmp profile 2 and that`s basically it. In high performance mode it usually runs 3.8 @1.18V or something like that.
If I wanted to bump till 4ghz+ prolly Id have to change voltages to like 1.4V right? Is it even worth it?
Never really looked into it too deeply, but you stand to raise your multi CB scores by around 200 points, for what it's worth. It generally does benefit from a solid all-core overclock. The stock boosts are great for efficiency and honestly plenty for a lot of people, but there are definitely gains to be had by overclocking the 2600. The boost it does out of the box isn't functionally the same as a traditional all-core OC. Even locking it in at 3.9ghz would likely show a pretty measurable difference. Reason being that it is now holding that 3.9 at all times, across all loads, on all cores. Far less power-efficient, but much better for performance. It just can't compare with what the X chips can do with their XFR2 and PBO. They're not specced to boost the same. The non-x models have a light-footed version of that whole boosting system.

1.4v would be awfully high for 4ghz. I've seen a few benchmark/reviews putting that number out there for their vanilla 2600 overclocks, but I think it's just laziness of just making sure to get enough power to get it stable and do what they need to do to get their scores and put together an article, ime. It's probably overkill for most. Put in some time and you may find it doesn't need that on any board with decent voltage regulation. Mine doesn't even need that for 4.2. Right now I'm doing 4.1 @ 1.23v. I can get 4.2 @ 1.29. Only reason I don't is because I like my fans running quieter. Mine is abnormally low, either by lucky draw or overly-modest voltage readouts, but still... realistically you shouldn't need more than ~1.3v for 4ghz. All that seems to hold me back is cooling. As you up the clocks, this thing really heats up, even if the voltage doesn't seem all that high. Something worth mentioning. You might have trouble getting any decent OC without an aftermarket cooler. You may think "Ah, what's 200mhz?" For these guys it's more than you think, for better and worse.

4.2 is gonna be the wall you hit, whether from temperatures, voltage, stability, or all of the above. But that jump may still be worth it if you have the cooling and your RAM OC holds up (often as you bring the CPU up past 4ghz a RAM config that was once stable is no more.) Memory clocks and timings are important, slightly more so than usual because of infinity fabric. I'm guessing you got the kit of Flare X that's not only b-die but tuned for Ryzen, too. 3200/CL14 Yes? If so, feel free to run the stock profile. Otherwise I do recommend tuning it yourself via the Ryzen DRAM Calculator.

Enjoy your 2600! I can safely say I have zero regrets with mine. Such a steal.
 
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Even locking it in at 3.9ghz would likely show a pretty measurable difference. Reason being that it is now holding that 3.9 at all times, across all loads, on all cores. Far less power-efficient, but much better for performance. It just can't compare with what the X chips can do with their XFR2 and PBO. They're not specced to boost the same. The non-x models have a light-footed version of that whole boosting system.

I'm guessing you got the kit of Flare X that's not only b-die but tuned for Ryzen, too. 3200/CL14 Yes? If so, feel free to run the stock profile. Otherwise I do recommend tuning it yourself via the Ryzen DRAM Calculator.

Enjoy your 2600! I can safely say I have zero regrets with mine. Such a steal.

I`ve noticed that most of times cores wouldn't boost equally! like in reality only one core goes up to 3.8 while rest of them sits comfortably at 3.5ghz.
Ill try to play a bit with my clocks then! Btw should I do it like @GoldenX recommended - through Ryzen Master or just do it off of bios?

I do have 3200/CL14 for Ryzen (in my area the werent much more expensive than other non binned dies)

Actually my choice of 2600 was mainly due to the amazing price/performance ratio also I was hoping that maybe I could use my msi x470 board for ryzen 2(amd was hinting something about x470 compatibility) so there is no point in spending too much right now.
 
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I`ve noticed that most of times cores wouldn't boost equally! like in reality only one core goes up to 3.8 while rest of them sits comfortably at 3.5ghz.
Ill try to play a bit with my clocks then! Btw should I do it like @GoldenX recommended - through Ryzen Master or just do it off of bios?
Yeah, it's designed and configured to do that. It boosts the fastest/highest-affinity cores at the expense of the "backup" ones. All of it is governed by a combination of factory-designated clock/voltage range and temperature readouts. In single-threaded loads the difference is slight at worst, but heavily multi-threaded tasks definitely do suffer quite a lot for it. And it gets worse under the heaviest loads, as the boost to the best core starts to dip, too. With the X-models you don't see this as even the "lesser" cores boost almost to the max the chip can do on a manual OC, with the best cores going up beyond what anybody sees with a manual all-core OC... ...some people see SC boosts up to 4.35 every so often! The system really squeezes everything it can out of them... ...more than you'd be able to on your own. Unfortunately, the vanilla models kinda get gimped by it because the base clocks just aren't high enough. It doesn't make as much sense to let it go that way when you can easily get all cores sustaining what that one core will boost to sometimes. I think they had efficiency as a higher priority with the vanilla models. And they did a great job. They aren't geared for max performance like the X-models are. They run cool/quiet, they are inexpensive, stable, and yet still perform well out of the box. Doesn't mean you can't squeeze out a little more though :D

Ryzen Master really comes in handy, as it allows you to tweak voltage and core clocks without rebooting. So you can set it, test, set, test... saves a lot of time once you hit a workable voltage for whatever you're shooting for. I recommend just setting a safe voltage that will for sure work, setting your mark on the clocks, and going from there. Just decrease voltage until it crashes or whatever. Personally I like to to use IBT for the preliminary stuff, because it often won't crash if the OC is bad. It'll usually just halt the test, outside of crossing the clock speed line. That and it's fast and will tell you fairly soon if the OC is never gonna work or if temperatures are going to be an immediate issue. I say save the long and/or realistic tests for after you've eliminated the really bad configs. This combined with Ryzen Master will get you in and out of the ballpark pretty quickly. In the end you'll want to transfer it over to the BIOS side though, as Ryzen Master needs to be started and applied at every boot - it doesn't automatically apply your OC every time.

I do have 3200/CL14 for Ryzen (in my area the werent much more expensive than other non binned dies)
Haha, a wise choice. Ryzen RAM overclocking has been a subject of notoriety from the beginning. 3200/CL14 is the standard for good performance, so you're already on the right foot. Messing with RAM is the most tedious part. You get to skip it :D Unless you like to suffer like some of us do lol

Actually my choice of 2600 was mainly due to the amazing price/performance ratio also I was hoping that maybe I could use my msi x470 board for ryzen 2(amd was hinting something about x470 compatibility) so there is no point in spending too much right now.
We shall see about future motherboard compatibility. Personally I got an x370 for cheap and I'm happy with it. But I said recently that this may or may not be my holdout build for Zen 2. I figure if Zen 2 sucks or just isn't worth the cash, this will still serve me plenty well enough! It definitely has so far.

Welcome to the fold and good luck.
 
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Hi guys!
I've recently did a platform upgrade from good ol fx 8350.
Got ryzen 5 2600, msi gaming plus x470 mobo (buildzoids video about entry x470 boards convinced me) and 16gb of Flare X`s.
I entered bios chose xmp profile 2 and that`s basically it. In high performance mode it usually runs 3.8 @1.18V or something like that.
If I wanted to bump till 4ghz+ prolly Id have to change voltages to like 1.4V right? Is it even worth it?
I game in 4k mostly so my 1080 ti does majority of work. I participate in distributed computing projects (milkyway@home and seti@home) where my gpu is also doing majority of work.
Should I just keep my 2600 stock? will lets say: 4.2ghz have much impact on workloads? (I have an aio btw so right now at 100% I get package temp of around 52C in hwmonitor)

Regards.
Go for it, being the non "X" it typically leaves a lot on the table with the "X" they run around 4.0 all core and 4,2+ boost on two. I tested a few Ryzen 2xxx CPUs and the 2600 I use daily turned out to be the best of the bunch for a low voltage OC. 24/7 at 4.2GHz with 1.35V and 3333 CL14 mem. Not all are created equal but getting your CPU to 4.0 all core or higher really shouldn't be that hard
 

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that samsung 970 pro has blown this ryzen up a world in performance... the USB part of the windows 10 install had rebooted in under a minute, 20 minutes after SSD install and i'm here on TPU with all my core apps, programs and drivers ready to go - only thing not finished is restoring steam from external SSD

looking forward to seeing how this bitch runs games now



USB 3 is holding me back... front USB3 ports not working, gotta figure out why that is (asmedia drivers didnt auto install?)

Edit: system already felt fast, but that thermal throttling/cache filling on the SSD is very noticeably NOT THERE now. Installing steam, copying 300GB of games, while installing windows updates all at the same time and it feels snappy af. Highly recommend everyone here to blow their kidneys on new SSDs.
 
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Alright I’ll shoot for 3000MHz and try to OC to 3200
make sure you check the prices of 3200 kits too. it might turn out for just 10-15 more you can get 3200 out of the box.
 

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So I got my new Ek monoblock fitted last night ,wow I would recommend it's considered use, fair enough my old one was not great (occool one , generic but not terrible) im 10-15 ° better off now, it auto clocks a bit higher too (4.25 all cores), I'll try a manual Oc this weekend .
 

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MSI just put out 400-series motherboard BIOS updates with AGESA 1.0.0.6 (improved memory support).
 
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MSI just put out 400-series motherboard BIOS updates with AGESA 1.0.0.6 (improved memory support).
It's also up for my B350, thanks.
 
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This is the RAM I’m looking at currently

Team T-Force Vulcan 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3000 (PC4 24000) Memory (Desktop Memory) Model TLRED416G3000HC16CDC01 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=20-313-778&ignorebbr=true
Ran into some sorta of compatibility issue with Ryen and MSI B350 mobo using TEAMGroup Vulcan 2x4GB DDR4 3000. They overclocked easily to 3400 MHz but the bandwidth numbers were substantially lower than they should of been. They checked out as being Samsung B-die though.
 

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2666 MHz is finally stress-stable with AGESA 1.0.0.6. I can use the settings below as base-camp to tighten timings first, and seek out higher memory clocks. All this on a Ryzen-unfriendly Corsair Hynix-based dual-rank 32GB kit from 2016. More than memory bandwidth, it's the improved inter-CCX bandwidth I'm after.

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On the memory front, this new BIOS allowed me to get 3200 CL16, but nothing over 3333 (must be the limit of my sticks).
Best part is, now I can adjust the BCLK up to 103MHz. So now, stock turbo hits 3550MHz.
 

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Seems I'll have to wait and hope Asus will release an update with AGESA 1.0.0.7, as they haven't added any since 1.0.0.2 and nobody's been able to confirm anything. Running into some limitations with attempts at tuning and OC-ing. Though my RAM currently runs super stable at 3200 CL14, so no complaints there. But I can't go over 100.60 for BCLK without the board going into OC-mode (disabling PBO and Core Performance Boost features.

Another issue is I can't force Core Performance Boost features, I have Auto and Disable.

Also missing a ton of settings in the CBS section, no P-States, etc. Looking at potentially trying a modded BIOS version of 4012 (the version that came with AGESA 1.0.0.2a). Currently running stock 4024 and not completely satisfied with it. Seems Asus is falling way behind on supporting their boards...or maybe they are just developing for 1.0.0.7 and Ryzen2 instead. I dunno, still learning the AMD-side of things.

Right now with PBO, I generally load around 4.1GHz on all cores in CB15, all cores peak at 4.35Ghz individually, nothing special there. But I have started to undervolt a little and was hoping to push BCLK to sneak in a 4.5GHz peak boost and 4.2Ghz on all cores. I guess not yet on this board. I am looking into the modded bios stuff here: https://www.overclock.net/forum/11-...yzen-bios-mods-how-update-bios-correctly.html

Anyone have experiences with that and this board per chance?

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Waiting on Asrock to do the AGESA update as well. Hope I can get these up to 3200 finally.

 

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sigh, i fucked up by not getting a board with BCLK control

gotta fix that when i see an x470 sale on
 
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But I can't go over 100.60 for BCLK without the board going into OC-mode (disabling PBO and Core Performance Boost features.
Same problem here, had to turn it off, sadly. I can keep PBO, but Cool and Quiet turns off.
 

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issues like that pissed me off when i got this board (and chose a cheap one)

I want CnQ working, PBO and BCLK control
Why is that so hard?
 

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sigh, i fucked up by not getting a board with BCLK control

gotta fix that when i see an x470 sale on

They don't have a MATX board with BCLK control for x399 at all so don't feel too terrible. I am just SOL.
 
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Finally bclk adjustment is available. XFR and PBO seem to be working with 101 MHz.

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Made mine work too at 102.9, the max.
I'm testing if 3133 at lower 16-16-16 timmings is better than 3200 at 16-18-18 or 3333 at 18-20-20.
 

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8 cores 16 threads APU... Me wants.
 
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