Intel Rolls Out the 4 GHz Pentium Gold G5620 Processor

[notb]

Ubuntu version and SSD brand? I have Ubuntu both on an i3 5005U and a R3 1200, I can't see any difference when comparing them on normal/office use.

Maybe you don't. We're not discussing your perception.
We *know* 200GE is slow in single-thread stuff. This is what benchmarks are for.
We know it performs more or less like a desktop 1st/2nd-gen Intel Core (or 4th/5th mobile Core).
That was a long time ago.

It doesn't mean the CPU is unusable.
But with a slow single-thread CPU, everything takes a little longer. The overall experience is that the PC gets a bit more laggy and less comfortable.
No one says you can't use a 200GE for casual computing. And if you're used to this kind of performance, you may not even see it as a problem. But many people will.

At the end of the day, people even use Atom-based tablets for basic stuff we're talking about (browsing, Ms Office, watching movies etc). I do as well.
My Atom x5 is maybe half as fast as 200GE in single-thread in best case scenario. Is using it comfortable? No. But knowing this limitations, can I accept it? Of course I can. I even use it for SAS, R and Visual Studio. I bought it because I wanted that particular size and battery life. And getting something faster meant spending 3x more (e.g. Surface Pro).

Do people buying CPUs understand these limitations? Most don't. For them a PC will simply be less responsive than what they may be used to (even in their phones).
And getting a Pentium G in this case, while adding a few dozen $ to the price, is relatively how much? 10%?

 

[GoldenX]

Maybe you don't. We're not discussing your perception.
We *know* 200GE is slow in single-thread stuff. This is what benchmarks are for.
We know it performs more or less like a desktop 1st/2nd-gen Intel Core (or 4th/5th mobile Core).
That was a long time ago.

It doesn't mean the CPU is unusable.
But with a slow single-thread CPU, everything takes a little longer. The overall experience is that the PC gets a bit more laggy and less comfortable.
No one says you can't use a 200GE for casual computing. And if you're used to this kind of performance, you may not even see it as a problem. But many people will.

At the end of the day, people even use Atom-based tablets for basic stuff we're talking about (browsing, Ms Office, watching movies etc). I do as well.
My Atom x5 is maybe half as fast as 200GE in single-thread in best case scenario. Is using it comfortable? No. But knowing this limitations, can I accept it? Of course I can. I even use it for SAS, R and Visual Studio. I bought it because I wanted that particular size and battery life. And getting something faster meant spending 3x more (e.g. Surface Pro).

Do people buying CPUs understand these limitations? Most don't. For them a PC will simply be less responsive than what they may be used to (even in their phones).
And getting a Pentium G in this case, while adding a few dozen $ to the price, is relatively how much? 10%?

The thing is, it's Ubuntu, not Windows. I have an Athlon 5150 (4 core Jaguar at 2GHz, barely better than an Atom, if even that) running 16.04, and it also works like a charm with an SSD. I can't see how a 4 thread Zen can be slower.
Plus, 4th or 5th gen Intel performs the same in normal use than 9th gen, Intel didn't do any radical change in single thread performance.

 

[notb]

The thing is, it's Ubuntu, not Windows. I have an Athlon 5150 (4 core Jaguar at 2GHz, barely better than an Atom, if even that) running 16.04, and it also works like a charm with an SSD. I can't see how a 4 thread Zen can be slower.

Yeah, I know you can't see. The Zen CPU can have a million threads. The applications we mention here will only use one. That's the whole point.

It really doesn't matter if you run Windows or Ubuntu. People don't buy PCs to run an OS. They buy them to do something useful.

Plus, 4th or 5th gen Intel performs the same in normal use than 9th gen, Intel didn't do any radical change in single thread performance.

...what?
:-o

 

[GoldenX]

Yeah, I know you can't see. The Zen CPU can have a million threads. The applications we mention here will only use one. That's the whole point.

It really doesn't matter if you run Windows or Ubuntu. People don't buy PCs to run an OS. They buy them to do something useful.

...what?
:-o

I mean that in Windows the difference in performance is easier to see, any Linux distro being a lot lighter makes the differences a lot harder to notice. @lynx29 is using Ubuntu and noticing a performance difference, something weird, you can run Ubuntu on an Atom and still have a responsive system, that's why I ask about the distro's version, an old one will perform badly with both Vega and Zen, and about the SSD brand.

Now, about the last part, tell me how is a 9th gen faster than a 4th gen for browsing or office use. Last time you can "say" that we had a performance difference in light use is after the Core 2 Duos.

 

[Melvis]

Like every other Pentium before, useless.

 

[GoldenX]

Like every other Pentium before, useless.

Don't be that hard on them, before Ryzen 1, the G4560 was the best CPU for gaming, price/performance wise. It had i3 performance at an, at the time, low price.
Now they're useless, aye. Intel has added cores to their higher offerings, but they didn't change anything on the low end, we still have cut-down dual cores (since the "Core 2 Duo lite "Pentium Dual Core"), even keeping the old prices intact. Pretty stupid on their part.

 

[Captain_Tom]

1) Overclocking a 200GE? Seriously?
I know it can be done, but statistically is it the CPU overclocking crowd buys?
Once again: budget PCs, NUCs, thin clients.
2) How much can you OC a 200GE? Because the gap in single-threaded performance is enormous. On stock clocks that Pentium will be 40% faster.

God you Intel fanboys would defend a literal turd if it came in a blue box lol.

$100 for a dual core with a horrific iGPU (which DOES matter at this price range), but at least it comes in a blue box right? You could instead get the superior 200E, or for $90 get an actual quad core (You know, because it's 2019 and no one should be buying dual cores):

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod...=R3 2300&cm_re=R3_2300-_-19-113-446-_-Product

 

[Ruru]

MSRP for legendary G4560 was 64usd. Now this is roughly 50% more with just ~14% bump in clock speed. Well, just like in the old days, speed bumps in Pentiums weren't worth the extra price in most cases.

 

[Mescalamba]

Finally, real P4! Waited so many years for that! Original had only 1 core and 2 threads! Imagine!

 

[JoniISkandar]

for 100$ is waaaayyyyyyy better bought Ryzen 3 2200G,, and with B450, upgrade path is wide upto Zen 2 with mostly get more juice for money with 6 core CCX, and Quad Core with Decent Igpu,
this Pentium thing is so crap that basically no one care about lol,,,,but but. as always brain (washed) mindset is strong for intel team, no woryy this thing will sell better just like people that Nvidia Brain (wasted) loyalty still buy 1050ti Over RX570 that give 50% more for same money, story repeated itself lol

 

[jabbadap]

MSRP for legendary G4560 was 64usd. Now this is roughly 50% more with just ~14% bump in clock speed. Well, just like in the old days, speed bumps in Pentiums weren't worth the extra price in most cases.

G5400 is in the same price bracket as G4560. This one is in the price bracket of G4620. Pentiums are not really for custom PC builders anymore. They are for Acer, HP etc. for those market crap PCs.

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/u...uctIds=129945,129946,129951,97143,97453,97460

 

[Ruru]

G5400 is in the same price bracket as G4560. This one is in the price bracket of G4620. Pentiums are not really for custom PC builders anymore. They are for Acer, HP etc. for those market crap PCs.

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/u...uctIds=129945,129946,129951,97143,97453,97460

I'm still sure that here in Finland that is 100eur...

 

[jabbadap]

I'm still sure that here in Finland that is 100eur...

Sure it's pricier now than g4560 was. But different price brackets are still there.

 

[Ruru]

Sure it's pricier now than g4560 was. But different price brackets are still there.

Well everything is expensive here