What will you do after January 14, 2020?

[Deleted member 158293]

Windows has become irrelevant for me beyond using it for a few games once in a while, so I really don't care what version it is. Everything work related has moved to Linux, and most gaming I care about too for that matter.

 

[Kursah]

I manage my updates through WSUS, but not everyone has the drive, ability or desire to run a home lab. I do it to keep me going in my career, though more so I still have tech work to do since I manage teams of engineers rather than being an engineer these days. WSUS + some solid powershell scripting to manage it FTW.

I'm on almost all 10 in my home and work environment, sprinkle in a couple 7 & 8.1 VM's, and a handful of Linux boxes and VM's. But for primary, 10's been solid for me overall. I'll keep on keeping on after 1/14, with the goal of helping my clients move on from 7. Even at the MSP I work for, we're supporting 7 under managed services for at least a year past the MS EOL date. It really depends on third party security support and what exploits come about after EOL hits that will signal when we can't justify managing it or need to raise rates to compensate for labor invested to keep the old OS running, secure and stable.

When you start to see stuff like MBAM, WRSA, Avast, etc. start to drop support for 7, it's time to move on, past time in reality, but for those hanging on for whatever reason. That or run a virtual 7 if you need it for specific software if possible, Hyper-V is fine without hardware passthrough and is on all Windows Pro OSes since Windows 8 at or near the same capabilities as their Windows Server relatives.

Frankly my personal combo is Windows 10 1809 + Ubuntu Bionic Beaver, I'm pretty content with it overall.

Curious to know how much that will be.

$50 for year 1, $100 for year 2, $200 for year 3. It's aimed at enterprise/business environments where moving from Windows 7 is truly detrimental to their operations and appears to be primarily offered to Windows Enterprise clients. We have several that are mulling this route, because their third party software devs still don't support 8 or 10, or Linux. When your business or industry operates on something so limited, you have no choice if nobody else offers a competing solution and you don't want to develop it on your own.

Source: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/201...urity-updates-will-double-in-price-each-year/

 

[lexluthermiester]

FFS why do people in these threads always say "use Linux"?

Because it's a good OS.

Can I run most games on Linux, no.

Clearly, you haven't taken a look recently.

Can I run Visual Studio on Linux, no.

Not many people are going to care about that one and if they do then you're right.

So stop pushing an "alternative" that isn't.

Ok, if you're not interested, don't use it. No one is twisting your arm.

In the meantime, in the real world, people are moving away from anything that is complicated and not plug&play

So that's why people are resisting Windows 10 then... Makes sense really.

I have Windows 10 Pro. It is growing on me now as I use it more. I wouldn't mind trying linux again though but its been a long time (Fedora Core 4)
Any suggestions?

My vote is Linux Mint. https://linuxmint.com/

 

[GoldenX]

FFS why do people in these threads always say "use Linux"? Can I run most games on Linux, no. Can I run Visual Studio on Linux, no. Can I get assf**ked by Linux, probably - but that's not what I use my computer for and I doubt it's what most TPU members do either. So stop pushing an "alternative" that isn't.

You can run most games on Linux, search Steam Proton.
You can run Visual Studio from a VM if it's needed and you don't want to do a dual boot.
You can do all that with Windows Vista too, so it's not an argument.

 

[Lightning]

I've been doing it since day 1 (for update self management).

Should I be expecting something?

It reactivates.

 

[R-T-B]

It reactivates.

Only after a major update (there are two per year, you'll live) and it takes like 2 seconds to address.

 

[MrGenius]

I'm certain there will be some stragglers hanging on for dear life. If it's anything like XP, there will be some back door POS (Point of Sale) version of the OS where they can get security updates intended for a cash register and think it's still secure and hang on..

It's Point Of Service(since it's used on ATMs and/or for various other non-sale related things). And, as a matter of fact, there is a Windows 7 POSReady that gets extended support until October 12, 2021. How easy it is to convert a non-POSReady version of 7 to a POSReady version remains to be seen. So far I'm finding reports that the registry hack used for XP doesn't work(or if it does work, it only works for 32-bit versions). But, supposedly, the relevant POSReady KB updates can be downloaded(from the Microsoft Update Catalog) and manually installed on any Windows 7 version.

 

[ManGupta]

Actually there is a couple of good platforms that support all three, X58 and X79. A Dell T3500, T5500 or T7500 would work well if you wanted to triple boot. There are of course other systems that can be used.

XP won't require much resource ......... so you can even run it in VMWare.

I use it that way to run some legacy apps.

 

[lexluthermiester]

you can even run it in VMWare.

That's a good option too.

 

[Lightning]

Only after a major update (there are two per year, you'll live) and it takes like 2 seconds to address.

No, that's the problem. The people that I installed it for are not tech savvy and when they have a perfectly running laptop one day, and they can't print stuff for their non-profits two weeks later for an inspection, they absolutely can't live with the os doing whatever the hell it wants.

 

[notb]

I'm using windows 10 myself but I was wondering what will you do as windows 7 user after January 14, 2020?....

I don't think this is that important. 1 year from now Windows 7 will not be supported, but it'll still work for a while.

The real question is: what will all the W7-huggers do in 2025? Because Windows will keep evolving in the direction they don't like and W7 will simply become a burden - things will either not work at all or need a ton of tinkering.

2030? 2040? Everyone around you control their PCs with mind-reading helmets, but you're holding on to your W7 because you don't like auto updates.

 

[rtwjunkie]

I'd venture to say the Games forum ranting saltmine is the place for you.

Totally honest curiosity: where is that?

 

[John Naylor]

please no, iv left that life behind.

I still use it .... I make a lot of SS based tools for a MMO I have played since 2004. They basically do things like predict crafting results based upn any combo of 250 different farmed and 300 looted materials of varying grades. Of course I often use them in office for construction estimating and design etc and Libre office is just fine if a bit unintuitive. But when making a new template, I still go back and open 1-2-3 and start with that. Still far more intuitive than anything I have seen since. Males me laugh every time I do. I also fondly remeber meeting the guy who wrote the MS Office Suite books ... from the early 90s to about 2005 when we lost touch ... every one of them was written in Lotus Word Pro. We used to write manuals, well still do, for water treatment plants and even some products like Table Saws ... WLP was by far the easiest to manage pages with lots of graphs, tables and formats. We'd save them into whatever format the client wanted at the end. We left folk use whatever office suite they wanted .... but eventually, most moved to LWP.

Nowadays we use Libre Office for everday editing of long documents but whenever tackle anew job, I make the template in LWP.

 

[Melvis]

I will most likely just keep using 7, if it aint broke dont fix it and lets face it there will be some place on the internet to get the updates for free.

I will give LTSB Version of 10 a try though and see how I find it.

I got a Windows 8.1 Pro here as well with Classic shell seems to be not bad at all so its an option or I will slowly migrate over to Linux Mint but I think that will take some time or ill Dual boot it.

 

[R-T-B]

No, that's the problem. The people that I installed it for are not tech savvy and when they have a perfectly running laptop one day, and they can't print stuff for their non-profits two weeks later for an inspection, they absolutely can't live with the os doing whatever the hell it wants.

The answer then is to setup a WSUS server and manage the updates as MS intended.

 

[trparky]

Been running Windows 10 since it was released. OK sure, Windows 10 didn't start off great but it's been getting much better.

 

[Fizban]

"What will you do after January 14, 2020?"

Continue using Windows 10 like I have since like, 2014?

Been using it since its very first pre-release builds were available on MSDN and never looked back.

FFS why do people in these threads always say "use Linux"? Can I run most games on Linux, no. Can I run Visual Studio on Linux, no. Can I get assf**ked by Linux, probably - but that's not what I use my computer for and I doubt it's what most TPU members do either. So stop pushing an "alternative" that isn't.

Spoken like someone who's either never used linux, or last used it decade ago. It's a perfectly viable alternative. You might run games at a lower framerate potentially, but you can absolutely run them.

As for Visual Studio - I wouldn't use that even if developing on Windows, so that's hardly something I'd consider a big deal, at all.

 

[trparky]

As for Visual Studio - I wouldn't use that even if developing on Windows, so that's hardly something I'd consider a big deal, at all.

Why not? It's probably one of the best programming environments in the entire industry. Intellisense is a godsend.

 

[delshay]

As my FX-60 is not supported by windows 10, I have a choice to continue to use windows 7 or move to Linux.

EDIT: I forgot, I could also jump to windows 8.0.

 

[Fizban]

Why not? It's probably one of the best programming environments in the entire industry. Intellisense is a godsend.

It's fine, but I prefer something more lightweight that isn't as heavy on resource consumption like Sublime.

 

[GoldenX]

Why not? It's probably one of the best programming environments in the entire industry. Intellisense is a godsend.

Intellisense also works on Visual Studio Code in Linux. The only reason to use VS is to get the best performance out of an .exe, for any other type of executable, LLVM or GCC.

 

[Fizban]

As my FX-60 is not supported by windows 10, I have a choice to continue to use windows 7 or move to Linux.

EDIT: I forgot, I could also jump to windows 8.0.

You could also jump to a processor that won't be 14 years old by then. I mean, I get that there's no need to buy a new processor every time a new generation comes out, but 14 years is really pushing it. That thing was over $1,000 at launch, and is now slower than a budget $100 cpu.

 

[eidairaman1]

I will most likely just keep using 7, if it aint broke dont fix it and lets face it there will be some place on the internet to get the updates for free.

I will give LTSB Version of 10 a try though and see how I find it.

I got a Windows 8.1 Pro here as well with Classic shell seems to be not bad at all so its an option or I will slowly migrate over to Linux Mint but I think that will take some time or ill Dual boot it.

Updates can be deferred but you are still forced to install them after 1 year.

 

[windwhirl]

Updates can be deferred but you are still forced to install them after 1 year.

Actually, each big version of Windows 10 (Anniversary, Creators, Fall Creators, etc.) gets around three years (30 months, actually, and only for Enterprise and Education editions, otherwise they get only 18 months) of support, since launch until the point where it stops receiving any kind of update. Though I imagine that you need to configure the OS upgrades from WSUS.

 

[eidairaman1]

Actually, each big version of Windows 10 (Anniversary, Creators, Fall Creators, etc.) gets around three years of support, since launch until the point where it stops receiving any kind of update. Though I imagine that you need to configure the OS upgrades from WSUS.

Ltsb