Microsoft Reconsiders: No More Forced Updates in Windows 10

[lexluthermiester]

To make 10 acceptable ..... WU needs to be set up to provide options as follows:

A. Security Update Options:

a) Install Upon release
b) Install after 7 days
c) Advise but wait for Admin manual install or, if not done, install after xx days. (xx limited to 30 - 90 days)
d) Advise but do not install without admin approval
e) Do not advise and do not install(installation is completely manual if desired)

B. Feature Update Options:

a) Install Upon release
b) Install after 7 days
c) Advise but wait for Admin manual install or, if not done, install after xx days. (xx limited to 30 days - never)
d) Advise but do not install without admin approval
e) Do not advise and do not install(installation is completely manual if desired)

C. Hardware Driver Update Options:

a) Install Upon release
b) Install after 7 days
c) Advise but wait for Admin manual install or, if not done, install after xx days. (xx limited to 30 days - never)
d) Advise but do not install without admin approval
e) Do not advise and do not install(installation is completely manual if desired)

D. Data Collection Update Options:

a) Install Upon release
b) Install after 7 days
c) Advise but wait for Admin manual install or, if not done, install after xx days. (xx limited to 30 days - never)
d) Advise but do not install without admin approval
e) Do not advise and do not install(installation is completely manual if desired)

These are options that are actually acceptable.

And yes, Linux sucks...25 years in making and cant even beat a paid OS for end users.

You need to actually tryout Linux for a month or perhaps lay off the drugs. The only area where Windows has the advantage over Linux is gaming. Everything else can be done, and sometimes better, on Linux.

Sure, those things still exist somewhere on the system, but they're not in use.

That's my point. They're present on the system. Unacceptable. Complete removal needs to be an option WITHOUT all the rigmarole to do it by force..

 

[Legacy-ZA]

English is failing me today.
I don't understand what this is about at all.
Instead of forced updates every six months it will be once every 18 instead? That's all?

Your English is just fine; you are just smart enough to see through the ploy.

 

[amit_talkin]

You need to actually tryout Linux for a month or perhaps lay off the drugs. The only area where Windows has the advantage over Linux is gaming. Everything else can be done, and sometimes better, on Linux.

Tell this to billions of people using paid ( or pirated what so ever ) Windows over Linux. If Linux is better than Windows and its even free, it should have dominated end user market already.
Fact is it just lacks usability which most users want. I haven't used Linux in a while but I remember the pain it given me to complete even simplest task or install system device drivers.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I haven't used Linux in a while

Yup. Must have been a long time ago.

 

[trparky]

Very much this! The number of Win7 computers I see come in my shop, polluted to hell, and with a hundred updates waiting to be installed is insane.

Yep, pretty much this. People complain about having the control taken away from them but people around here seem to forget that you're not the target audience anymore, the target audience is the computer know-nothing idiot users that would still click on "I am a virus, don't click on me". These kinds of people need all the hand holding that they can get and a fuckton more. So yes, forced updates may annoy us more knowledgeable users but again, the average know-nothing idiot user need these forced updates.

 

[newtekie1]

That's not been my experience. The ones that have the most problems are ones without an AV/AM protecting the system. This is across all versions of Windows, not just 7.

Yeah, I can see that. I guess it is always a toss up. But the machines with all the updates missing are always polluted too.

 

[Octopuss]

If you are a Windows user, good luck even TRYING Linux out. NOTHING makes ANY sense there, nothing at all. You either are a tech hippie who started with Linux first or there's no chance in hell you'd be able to use this OS even on extremely basic level.

edit:
This is NOT meant as shitting on Linux, just my take on it as a lifelong Windows user who tried and failed horribly.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Yeah, I can see that. I guess it is always a toss up. But the machines with all the updates missing are always polluted too.

Another thing to consider is configuration. Any version of Windows improperly configured will be vulnerable. With a ton of people visiting "IShouldntBeHere.com" on a regular basis, an install is bound to fouled up.

 

[Ubersonic]

If you are a Windows user, good luck even TRYING Linux out. NOTHING makes ANY sense there, nothing at all. You either are a tech hippie who started with Linux first or there's no chance in hell you'd be able to use this OS even on extremely basic level.

Debatable, If you're a Windows user and were so pre-XP then you prob have the smarts to figure it out.

 

[Caring1]

Debatable, If you're a Windows user and were so pre-XP then you prob have the smarts to figure it out.

And there it is, Linux users thinking they are smarter appears, just like I always thought, smug buggers.

 

[Ubersonic]

And there it is, Linux users thinking they are smarter appears, just like I always thought, smug buggers.

Think you quoted the wrong person. I don't use Linux.

 

[Caring1]

You're off topic and being a troll. Let's rope it in..

Excuse me, stating what I think, on the subject is not trolling, where's your smart arsed comment about trolling to the guy that mentioned Linux in the first place in a Microsoft thread?
Pretty sure you need to pull your head in and check yourself.

 

[95Viper]

Keep it on topic, please.
Take your off topic debating to PMs.

Thank You.

 

[hat]

That's my point. They're present on the system. Unacceptable. Complete removal needs to be an option WITHOUT all the rigmarole to do it by force..

That's a tall order. So, I don't want Edge, or Cortana, Defender, the Security Center... how about telephony? Disk degragmenter? Disk cleanup? Paint, the command prompt, the calendar... to be fair to everyone who may or may not want something present installed, there would have to be some checklist somewhere and it would be enormous.

 

[lexluthermiester]

So, I don't want Edge, or Cortana,

Windows 10 LTSC. Neither of them are present.

there would have to be some checklist somewhere and it would be enormous.

True, yet how difficult would it be?

 

[hat]

I can imagine inexperienced users breaking things...

 

[lexluthermiester]

I can imagine inexperienced users breaking things...

Yeah, that'd happen, but it'd be a learning experience for them.

 

[jrscott0262]

Forced update last night...broken Visual Studio 2019 today. ANOTHER WASTED DAY FIXING INCOMPETENT MICROSOFT ISSUES. After 30 years of using their crappy software and development tools (not by choice mind you), they owe me 2 years of my life back, at least! I'm extremely close to filing a lawsuit...

 

[TheGuruStud]

Forced update last night...broken Visual Studio 2019 today. ANOTHER WASTED DAY FIXING INCOMPETENT MICROSOFT ISSUES. After 30 years of using their crappy software and development tools (not by choice mind you), they owe me 2 years of my life back, at least! I'm extremely close to filing a lawsuit...

Once I disabled updates all major windows problems stopped occuring. I've been doing it since at least win7. About every 6 mo I turn it on, so the updates have been patched 6 times and are hopefully stable. This has worked perfectly for win10 (keep in mind you need to know release times of version updates). Win 8 would get literally bricked about once or twice per year even with this method, but I keep daily system images (so it would stay unupdated for another few months lol).

My first win10 install lasted from July '15 till zen 2...not bad. There's no way in hell that would've happened with updates.

I also disable on all PCs I build. No one calls me back with issues or bricks.

 

[AsRock]

Forced update last night...broken Visual Studio 2019 today. ANOTHER WASTED DAY FIXING INCOMPETENT MICROSOFT ISSUES. After 30 years of using their crappy software and development tools (not by choice mind you), they owe me 2 years of my life back, at least! I'm extremely close to filing a lawsuit...

Well when i put the latest on of my systems i put a delay the updates for 7 days, how ever closer looking at it i could delay them for a month. Prolly end up disabling them on the other system soon but as for this one they always enabled even though using what ever tools people have come up with it still happens. This happens only on the Home version, no pro version give me any hassle on disabling them.

After doing that a day or 2 later it still updated.

They don't want to do it your way and just update when you get around to it.

 

[Camm]

I love all this talk of "I'm gonna go become a linux user!", where the reality is for desktop use on linux (which I usually am with OpenSUSE), this shit is just par for the course.

Delay security updates by 1 day, and feature updates by a month on Windows 10 and you will have almost 0 problems. If I can keep an Enterprise running on these rules (admittedly with some canary automated testing as well), you can deal with the occasional bug this way as well.

 

[TheGuruStud]

I love all this talk of "I'm gonna go become a linux user!", where the reality is for desktop use on linux (which I usually am with OpenSUSE), this shit is just par for the course.

Delay security updates by 1 day, and feature updates by a month on Windows 10 and you will have almost 0 problems. If I can keep an Enterprise running on these rules (admittedly with some canary automated testing as well), you can deal with the occasional bug this way as well.

Enterprise pushes updates themselves after they test them. Otherwise, the whole place would go down when you catch the microtard flu.

 

[Darmok N Jalad]

Forced update last night...broken Visual Studio 2019 today. ANOTHER WASTED DAY FIXING INCOMPETENT MICROSOFT ISSUES. After 30 years of using their crappy software and development tools (not by choice mind you), they owe me 2 years of my life back, at least! I'm extremely close to filing a lawsuit...

I don’t like the Office 365 updates. Talk about adding stuff for the sake of it. No, I don’t want auto-save enabled on everything, so a prompt would be nice instead of one day it’s randomly enabled.

I love all this talk of "I'm gonna go become a linux user!", where the reality is for desktop use on linux (which I usually am with OpenSUSE), this shit is just par for the course.

Delay security updates by 1 day, and feature updates by a month on Windows 10 and you will have almost 0 problems. If I can keep an Enterprise running on these rules (admittedly with some canary automated testing as well), you can deal with the occasional bug this way as well.

Yeah, I recently nuked X by trying to uninstall AMD-GPU-Pro drivers. As nice a Linux has become, it still takes some commitment and willingness to troubleshoot and command line.

 

[DeathtoGnomes]

Once I disabled updates all major windows problems stopped occuring. I've been doing it since at least win7. About every 6 mo I turn it on, so the updates have been patched 6 times and are hopefully stable. This has worked perfectly for win10 (keep in mind you need to know release times of version updates). Win 8 would get literally bricked about once or twice per year even with this method, but I keep daily system images (so it would stay unupdated for another few months lol).

My first win10 install lasted from July '15 till zen 2...not bad. There's no way in hell that would've happened with updates.

I also disable on all PCs I build. No one calls me back with issues or bricks.

i do the same. how many times in the past 2 years did m$ majorly screw up an update? i count atleast 3 separate incidents.

 

[TheGuruStud]

i do the same. how many times in the past 2 years did m$ majorly screw up an update? i count atleast 3 separate incidents.

Every single major update and a few "fixes" for those.