MSI Betrays AMD's Socket AM4 Longevity Promise: No Zen2 for 300-series?

[R0H1T]

The 3xxx mobile chips you are talking about aren't pin compatible with AM4, surely you know that?

 

[RH92]

Take it as whatever you want.
Has any motherboard manufacturer officially said that 300-series motherboards will be updated to work with Zen 2?
Yes/no?
Also a reminder:
"Zen 2" != "Ryzen 3000-series"

Go to ASUS page pick a x370 board go to support then bios section read the update notes ..... again google is your friend ! Point being don't expect others do the job for you !

 

[Ruru]

You really have no guarantee. That's the whole point. AMD never said that cutting edge CPUs will be available for all AM4 motherboards.
"AM4 supported until X" could simply mean you'll be able to buy any CPU (in case yours dies). We knew from the start that moving to 7nm and different architecture could mean huge problems.

Well, let's hope that this middle finger from MSI doesn't apply to every pre-Zen2 board. My last bios version has in change log "supports new AMD upcoming cpu", but I don't now what it exactly means, Zen2 or just something in the current lineup.

 

[EarthDog]

The lemming mentality continues...

 

[r00lz]

Agreed. Though, i've had gigabyte video cards get bios updates years after the fact. Priorities, right?

Right. If I thinking about buying computer component for future upgrade, I always choose component manufacturer which has longest support of product.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

Take it as whatever you want.
Has any motherboard manufacturer officially said that 300-series motherboards will be updated to work with Zen 2?
Yes/no?
Also a reminder:
"Zen 2" != "Ryzen 3000-series"

https://community.amd.com/thread/238039

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/motherboard-bios-update-amd-ryzen-3000-cpus,38872.html

My B350 has been updated to agesa 0072, therefore supports Zen2, also states on the link, the bios is 2MB larger. My bios went from 8MB to 10.xMB

 

[medi01]

This is going to be some bad PR for MSI, that is a shame. Looks like I will roll ASRock for my x570 board.

MSI's CEO has claimed commitment to get Intel's market share up.
Hurting own AMD mainboard sales might be part of the grand plan.

 

[notb]

AMD said the SOCKET is supported to 2020. AMD did not mention a chipset IIRC.

But what "supporting a socket" means?
If they use the same physical element but rewire it, does that mean it's still supported?

I mean: even the most dedicated AMD fan should at admit "socket supported until" really doesn't mean anything.

Was there ever a presentation slide or an interview where they simply said you'll be able to use any AM4 processor with any AM4 motherboard?
I'm not reading all of them. I might have missed it.

I guess in the age of Intel, where they've introduced 3 new sockets since SKL in 3 years, you've forgotten what that means? LGA 775 ring a bell perhaps?

To be honest, I don't really care.
What matters for me is whether I'll be able to buy a replacement CPU for around 5 years after I buy a CPU (so ~7 years after a socket is launched). And that's usually true, isn't it? Both Intel and AMD keep making a limited choice of old CPUs to support their clients.
Today you can easily buy something for LGA1055 (which was replaced by 1050 in 2013).

 

[EarthDog]

But what "supporting a socket" means?

I dont know... but it's clear many here believe that statement includes all chipsets. Nobody knows the reason why, if this is actually true, msi won't do it. But since the title used "betrayal" and first sentence "greedy msi" it set the tone for this sensationalist 'news' post.

 

[notb]

https://community.amd.com/thread/238039

This wasn't posted (nor confirmed) by an AMD employee. It's an interpretation - much like yours.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/motherboard-bios-update-amd-ryzen-3000-cpus,38872.html

From this text:
"AGESA (AMD Generic Encapsulated Software Architecture) microcode version 0.0.7.x is allegedly designed to support the AMD Zen 2 processor microarchitecture and Ryzen 3000-series processors."
Weak.

My B350 has been updated to agesa 0072, therefore supports Zen2, also states on the link, the bios is 2MB larger. My bios went from 8MB to 10.xMB

Can you point the exact part of file description which says "Zen 2"?

So isn't this whole "supports Zen 2" is built around interpretations and hopes?

 

[R0H1T]

In an ideal world it should mean that when your motherboard has proper VRM, enough BIOS "space" & everything else - you should be able to use the latest gen CPU, even if with some compromises like PBO/2, XFR missing. However with the incumbent leader what we got is quad core for a decade, shape shifting TDP (9900k 95W) besides arbitrary ucode which literally BSOD OCed chips on non Z boards. The same boards which allowed OCing for a year to drive Intel sales up, now didn't work because Intel had a change of heart!

For AMD as well it'd be bad PR, so they must do what they can to make sure MSI allows Zen2 compatibility wherever possible.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

This wasn't posted (nor confirmed) by an AMD employee. It's an interpretation - much like yours.

From this text:
"AGESA (AMD Generic Encapsulated Software Architecture) microcode version 0.0.7.x is allegedly designed to support the AMD Zen 2 processor microarchitecture and Ryzen 3000-series processors."
Weak.

Can you point the exact part of file description which says "Zen 2"?

So isn't this whole "supports Zen 2" is built around interpretations and hopes?

The community AMD link states "Adds support for upcoming Zen 2 processors" That is what the agesa 0072 update is for, probably also why it is 2MB larger, unless you are a div or obtuse, it is plainly obvious as Asus states, support for upcoming processors, also the fact that the bios is 2MB larger than previously.

 

[s8wc3]

If the BIOS is really the issue, I think MSI should sell larger BIOS chips preflashed with the new firmware for a couple bucks, maybe thru their website or email their support. I don't think people upgrading their own CPUs will have any issue also swapping in a new chip. Oh wait, you used surface mount BIOS chips!! ROFL. Guess ya fucked then

 

[notb]

I dont know... but it's clear many here believe that statement includes all chipsets. Nobody knows the reason why, if this is actually true, msi won't do it. But since the title used "betrayal" and first sentence "greedy msi" it set the tone for this sensationalist 'news' post.

I've openly said what I think about btarunr's journalism and that's really not the topic here.

I do believe this is all built on hopes. And I'm asking for an official confirmation, which no one here can provide.

In an ideal world it should mean that when your motherboard has proper VRM, enough BIOS "space" & everything else - you should be able to use the latest gen CPU, even if with some compromises like PBO/2, XFR missing. However with the incumbent leader what we got is quad core for a decade, shape shifting TDP (9900k 95W) besides arbitrary ucode which literally BSOD OCed chips on non Z boards. The same boards which allowed OCing for a year to drive Intel sales up, now didn't work because Intel had a change of heart!

For AMD as well it'd be bad PR, so they must do what they can to make sure MSI allows Zen2 compatibility wherever possible.

But you're one of members of this forum who criticize OEMs for not investing more into AM4 platform. Do you still think AMD is a stable and safe partner for these companies?
Hype, hopes, ideal world, should, maybe...

And BTW: what about other chipsets? Why are why only talking about X370?
Ryzen is a SoC - I'm sure many people bought the cheaper chipset assuming it won't compromise functionality or compatibility (and possibly also because "AMD experts" on this forum said that ).

I've checked a few ASUS mobos and both B350 and A320 got the AGESA 0072 as well. Yet, they're never mentioned in "news". Maybe they won't support as many "upcoming CPUs" as X370 despite getting the same update?

 

[Ruru]

So one bad fan on a GPU 4 generations ago, and that makes MSI crap? The rest of your statement is laughable, as their 9xx and 10xx series GPU’s have been consistently high quality and cooling.

Also, GPU’s and motherboards are separate issues. Let’s keep them that way.

My MSI 780 Ti Gaming was awesome, I was a little suspicious buying it as an used card, but it was truly a great card. And I've heard nothing but positive opinions from MSI cards for many years now.

My truly bad experience from MSI was from a nForce 650i SLI board almost a decade ago, it just died suddenly without any warnings.

 

[R0H1T]

But you're one of members of this forum who criticize OEMs for not investing more into AM4 platform. Do you still think AMD is a stable and safe partner for these companies?

If you're talking only about MB then no I don't believe many of these partners are abandoning or running away from the AM4 platform though MSI seems to be on a "chop your own two feet" streak. If it's about other products, I've said that it could be down to AMD's supply limitations.

And BTW: what about other chipsets? Why are why only talking about X370?

Segmentation, sadly AMD isn't a charity as I or some others might want it to be. It's the same reason (among others) why we have RX 570, Vega 56.

 

[RH92]

Can you point the exact part of file description which says "Zen 2"? So isn't this whole "supports Zen 2" is built around interpretations and hopes?

'' UPDATE AGESA 0072 FOR THE UPCOMING PROCESSORS ''

So here we have some rational explanations to your comment :

1) You have some crazy leaks to share about AMD supporting Intel Comet Lake on their 300 series .
2) Zen 3 is coming sooner than what we thought .
3 ) You are blatantly trolling for some unkown reason .

Yeah doesn't take a phd to figure out there's only 1 rational explanation !

 

[notb]

3 ) You are blatantly trolling for some unkown reason .

Few posts ago you said that ASUS "is already supporting Zen 2 on their 300series".
It's a very important piece of information, but I haven't seen an official confirmation. It seems you have. I'm simply asking for a source.
Isn't this what forums were invented for? Talking?

 

[jigar2speed]

Yeah even more sad that nothing in your comment indicates you are being sacrastic but i guess we are supposed to read through peoples minds nowadays ....

I think you still don't know what sad part is, let alone the sarcasm.

You can't read through people's mind, its impossible over internet and that's the fun sarcasm was made to confuse the stupid.

PS: not calling you stupid, just incase you didn't get the sarcasm again

 

[Assimilator]

MSI and Gigabyte dont bother about older than 1 year old motherboard BIOS in general. Longest support of Motherboard BIOS has ASUS and ASrock

Nonsense: https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GA-Z77X-UD5H-rev-10#support-dl-bios

Board released 2012, most recent public BIOS released 2017, I am running a beta BIOS that was released last year with the Spectre patches (ask Gigabyte customer support and they will provide). 6 years of BIOS updates and counting.

 

[Space Lynx]

MSI's CEO has claimed commitment to get Intel's market share up.
Hurting own AMD mainboard sales might be part of the grand plan.

thank you for mentioning this, I had no idea. apparently I am never buying MSI ever again. especially since 3700x is going to kick Intel's ass this summer

I think I will do ASRock X570 Taichi mobo and 3700x, and retire for a solid 4-7 years.

 

[Deleted member 158293]

Asrock website mentions the following for the x470 Tai Chi bios update released 2019/4/9:

"1.Support new Athlon 2xxGE series APU.
2.Update AMD AGESA to 0.0.7.2"

https://www.asrock.com/MB/AMD/X470 Taichi/index.asp#BIOS

Don't know who would put an Athlon cpu on this motherboard, but you can now I guess. It all seems odd to go through a full firmware update just for the little Athlon cpus... all seems pretty hush-hush...

 

[zxz12]

I have MSI Krait Gaming X370 and I bought it with perspective to upgrade to 3rd gen Ryzen. I was going to buy next week new MSI monitor, but if they don't refute this information soon, I will have nothing from MSI anymore, never.

 

[RH92]

Few posts ago you said that ASUS "is already supporting Zen 2 on their 300series".
It's a very important piece of information, but I haven't seen an official confirmation. It seems you have. I'm simply asking for a source.
Isn't this what forums were invented for? Talking?

The thing is you have been provided with a source you just refuse to read it . I don't know what kind of official confirmation you are waiting for ...... UPDATE AGESA 0072 FOR THE UPCOMING PROCESSORS is pretty much self explanatory , you can read the same message when bios got updated to AGESA 1071 for Zen+ ( obviously it didn't say Zen + ) , it's a generic message they are not going to list you all the Zen 2 processors supported since that info is still under NDA . It doesn't get more official than this !

 

[king of swag187]

I suppose that could be true if MSI spells AMD.

But the promise of unlimited upgrade potential is no longer true, is it not?