MSI Betrays AMD's Socket AM4 Longevity Promise: No Zen2 for 300-series?

[lexluthermiester]

On which bloody planet is this "cherry picking a statement", the whole f*kcing conversation was cited verbatim:

Except that you didn't quote the whole conversation. You quoted one sentence(the highlighted one) and took it out of context. Example;

-MSI is working on getting Intel's share back

That is not what Chiang said or even how he said it.

 

[EarthDog]

And from MSI themselves in my inbox...............

 

[lexluthermiester]

And from MSI themselves in my inbox...............

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LOL@"Activate Windows"

 

[notb]

And from MSI themselves in my inbox...............

So pretty much the same text we got on Reddit.
Verifying potential compatibility (I love the wording).
Testing.
A list of compatible mobos will be released later (suggesting: not every).

Tasty detail:
"Below is a full list of upcoming BIOS versions which include compatibility for the next-gen AMD APUs for our 300-Series and 400-Series AM4 motherboards"

 

[EarthDog]

So pretty much the same text we got on Reddit.

Sure... just not in German, and official (first thing in the thread that was from a good source), not from a redditor.



zOMG..... "BETRAYALz"....... and "GREEDzzzz"

 

[champsilva]

And from MSI themselves in my inbox...............

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Can you click in the link and send us? Usually e-mails has an "external view"

 

[EarthDog]

Sorry, no. It is all there.

 

[notb]

Sure... just not in German, and official (first thing in the thread that was from a good source), not from a redditor.

What's wrong with German? Racist! :-D

zOMG..... "BETRAYALz"....... and "GREEDzzzz"

Now I'm really looking forward to the Zen2 launch and discussions on this forum. This is going to be sooo entertaining.

Just imagine all the threads about flashing motherboards with incompatible BIOS that supports Zen2. :-D

 

[R0H1T]

Anything AMD is entertaining, in Dozer days it was like an inevitable train-wreck - these days it might just be the opposite!

 

[moproblems99]

Sure... just not in German, and official (first thing in the thread that was from a good source), not from a redditor.



zOMG..... "BETRAYALz"....... and "GREEDzzzz"

Hey, all those pitch forks are sharpened and gas prices are climbing so those torches have some investments. I bet this won't end here.

 

[medi01]

Except that you didn't quote the whole conversation

Let me try again:

Maybe Tom pulled this HALF A FREAKING PAGE excerpt out of context? Evil, EVIL TOM!
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/msi-ceo-interview-intel-shortage-amd,38473.html

What MSI's CEO did, is merely naive.
I couldn't blame small companies head for bending backwards for market Juggernaut.
From working with Intel on how to get Intel's share back from AMD, to not pissing intel off by releasing AMD notebooks.


But it shows how insanely f*cked up things are.

And mental gymnastics of some of the users here, to somehow twist it is hardly amusing.

 

[EarthDog]

What's wrong with German? Racist! :-D

Now I'm really looking forward to the Zen2 launch and discussions on this forum. This is going to be sooo entertaining.

Just imagine all the threads about flashing motherboards with incompatible BIOS that supports Zen2. :-D

I can't read/speak it. Achtung!

You all can cover the all the bios flashing and whining... surely someone will step up, call themselves a guru, and add it to their signature! Saved!

And mental gymnastics of some of the users here, to somehow twist it is hardly amusing.

Funny.. I was thinking the same thing. The incredible elastic brain!

Reminds me the PUBG where it was sworn up and down they found a cheater who killed them due to how they were interacting with the world. Another plausible explanation of those listed actions was suggested and it was poopooed. To this day, that user has not been banned (and it was over a month ago at this point). Point is, to me, looking at the big picture and ALL the reasons he mentioned, I don't believe there will be anything dubious to the actions. Again promotions, lower prices... all part of it. It's not like finding these CPUs is actually rare. I can go on any etailer and find them or Microcenter, Fry's, w/e. Why not offer lower pricing on something that now(when the shortage lessens) has more supply in the market? Isn't this how it works? I mean, I see what you are saying, but there is literally no smoking gun here to be so absolute (and showing great huberis). I think its open to a more broad interpretation.

Again, the notebooks argument is just.... its not an argument to me. He listed three reasons, but you hang your hat on one, seemingly dismissing the others while formulating your opinion.

Anyway, taking the blue pill on this one. Peace out.

 

[lexluthermiester]

And mental gymnastics of some of the users here, to somehow twist it is hardly amusing.

Perhaps, but we aren't the ones hurling insults, posting in a bold huge font(effectively screaming online) and generally acting like a child throwing a temper tantrum.

What MSI's CEO did, is merely naive.
I couldn't blame small companies head for bending backwards for market Juggernaut.
From working with Intel on how to get Intel's share back from AMD, to not pissing intel off by releasing AMD notebooks.

MSI is not a small company and they are not pandering to the whims of Intel. Again you seem to misunderstand what Chiang was saying(clearly tongue-in-cheek).

 

[medi01]

MSI is not a small company and they are not pandering to the whims of Intel.

Stating THIS in THIS thread, then wondering, why someone posts in bold.

acting like a child

Of all comments, the most amazing mind-twist was that this was pulling words out of its context:

Semmelweis reflex, I guess.

 

[notb]

(..)

How many more times are you going to post the same screenshot? What's wrong with you?

 

[lexluthermiester]

How many more times are you going to post the same screenshot? What's wrong with you?

It's supposed to be against forum rules, something about spamming..

 

[Arjai]

Well, I have no way of recovering the time spent reading through the 11 pages of posts, in this thread.
However, I have to say, I have learned plenty about a few members here. I don't hold grudges, one has to earn that from me.

What I found most interesting were these three quotes, and what I share with them...

Please stay out off this discussing.

Saw this coming back when AMD announced they'd "use" AM4 for at least 10 years. I said then, just because they were going to keep using the socket doesn't mean the old motherboards will support the new processors.

It is so sad to see TPU going the way of Fake News. The fact that TPU no longer seems to understand the difference between a news post and an editorial is disappointing.

To think that MSI doesn't know the customer retention value of a "simple BIOS update".....(I'll get in trouble if I complete this sentence)
Upon what knowledge does the author assert that all it takes is a "simple BIOS update"?

Why does this matter? Because BS like this "news" leads to: (not picking on you @ZoneDymo )


For the record, I own one of those X370 XPower Titanium motherboards.

who knew a little blue badge was so calming?

 

[Valkrys]

GG you took the word of a monkey at a desk. Waiting for you to link your follow up article to this one and mark it as updated. I appreciate the tenacity, but perhaps you should exercise some critical thought and perhaps ask around before posting stuff like this. The entire internet lit on fire over a single vendor potentially not abiding by AMD's guidelines. It's both good and bad... But kind of screams of "I couldn't be bothered." Your publication is widely accepted as being a reputable source, it would be good practice to not act like Gamer Meld. For the record I have refused to buy any MSI mobo since I dealt with the labyrinth that was their x58 pro-e bios. Their physical PCB design for 300 series boards didn't really help.

 

[moproblems99]

Waiting for you to link your follow up article to this one and mark it as updated.

That actually happened well before you posted this. GG.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Waiting for you to link your follow up article to this one and mark it as updated.

Perhaps, if you weren't focused on being a troll, you would know that such has already been done. Observe;
https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/...cpu-support-on-300-series-motherboards.254669

 

[thebluebumblebee]

who knew a little blue badge was so calming?

As long as you don't mind the BOHICA with every other CPU generation, whether it's needed or not. How many chipsets did Intel have for DDR3? (30,40,50,60,70,80,90)

 

[TechCat]

How is something in writing from the company itself, rumour?

There is no copy of the question asked nor the actual response. Just a statement of non compatibility which you blame on AMD failing to keep their promise. Pretty sure its a BIOS issue, which I think is dawning on you.

 

[londiste]

As long as you don't mind the BOHICA with every other CPU generation, whether it's needed or not. How many chipsets did Intel have for DDR3? (30,40,50,60,70,80,90)

I wonder why not look at DDR4 chipsets?
Intel has had 3 since 2015 - 100/200/300.
AMD has had 2 since 2017 - 300/400.

 

[R0H1T]

Technically they're more than 3, Intel has at least 3 chipsets per gen of core - I don't recall the last one because I stopped counting after z390. AMD has the same atm but Intel also changed sockets thrice(?) in this time IIRC.

 

[londiste]

Technically they're more than 3, Intel has at least 3 chipsets per gen of core - I don't recall the last one because I stopped counting after z390. AMD has the same atm but Intel also changed sockets thrice(?) in this time IIRC.

What time?

Intel:
DDR3:
- 2007-2008: LGA775 (30/40 series), Core2Duo/Quad - Technically DDR3 but most boards were DDR2
- 2009-2010: s1156 (50 series), Nehalem
- 2011-2012: s1155 (60/70 series), Sandy/Ivy Bridge
- 2013-2014: s1150 (80/90 series), Haswell/Haswell Refresh/Broadwell
DDR4:
- 2015-2016: s1151 (100/200 series), Skylake/Kaby Lake
- 2017-2018: s1151v2 (300 series), Coffee Lake/Coffee Lake Refresh

AMD:
DDR3:
- 2007-2008: AM2/AM2+/AM3 (600/700 series) - DDR2/DDR3, based on socket
- 2010-2011: AM3/AM3+ (800/900 series)
DDR4:
- 2017-2018: AM4 (300/400 series)

AMD practically was not competing for about 5 years there.