AMD Radeon RX 3080 XT "Navi" to Challenge RTX 2070 at $330

[medi01]

So what?

So "AMD never cut price like that" is BS.
The poster above found $330 vs $499 unbelievable, but AMD did $499 vs $1089.

from a random guy.

AdoredTV is "a random guy", also don't miss more breaking news on BentOverBackwards network, at 6pm, in "Green and Greener".

Good job comparing Ryzen (mainstream) with -E series (HEDT)!

I'm all ears about "non HEDT" 8 core CPU by Intel, or exactly what makes CPU HEDT (or not).
Why is it so f*cking hard to admit you said something that appeared to be wrong and just move the f*ck on, why do you need to go full pathetic?

 

[f22a4bandit]

Going to treat this rumor with a mountain of salt. However, is the pricing really that unbelievable? It's not as if AMD will have dedicated hardware for raytracing on these things, nor the RnD costs of the RTX cards to make up. It's plausible at least.

 

[medi01]

You were quoting @Assimilator as shown in your link and he was only talking about GPUs,

Oh, really? Only about GPUs? Even barring idocity of commercial company undercutting competitors in CPU but not GPU market, just how pathetic can the argument get:

 

[bug]

Going to treat this rumor with a mountain of salt. However, is the pricing really that unbelievable? It's not as if AMD will have dedicated hardware for raytracing on these things, nor the RnD costs of the RTX cards to make up. It's plausible at least.

It's not the pricing that should be taken with a grain of salt, but the alleged performance and power efficiency. Plus, this is all a rumor, nothing from AMD directly.

 

[prtskg]

Going to treat this rumor with a mountain of salt. However, is the pricing really that unbelievable? It's not as if AMD will have dedicated hardware for raytracing on these things, nor the RnD costs of the RTX cards to make up. It's plausible at least.

I think NAVI has RT cores as Sony has said their next console has. And their next console uses NAVI, which I think you already know.

It's not the pricing that should be taken with a grain of salt, but the alleged performance and power efficiency. Plus, this is all a rumor, nothing from AMD directly.

I think they'll achieve that performance thanks 7nm and factory overclocking. Power efficiency is something I'll believe when I see it.

 

[THANATOS]

So "AMD never cut price like that" is BS.
The poster above found $330 vs $499 unbelievable, but AMD did $499 vs $1089.

As I already mentioned It's about GPUs not CPUs. So my reply

So what?

was correct, because I was talking about GPUs.
Scroll lower to my next post for more details.

 

[kastriot]

War.. war between brands and their supporters never change

 

[Dave65]

Probably run hotter and use a lot more power too.

Don't care, if it is as fast and cheaper the cost of power is slight.

 

[THANATOS]

Oh, really? Only about GPUs? Even barring idocity of commercial company undercutting competitors in CPU but not GPU market, just how pathetic can the argument get:

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As I mentioned already, you quoted a part of what Assimilator said and in the rest you didn't quote he only mentioned nvidia and GPUs.
Did Assimilator directly mention cpus or Intel somewhere in that post? No.
Did Assimilator quote and reply to erocker who mentioned both CPUs and GPUs? Yes.
You simply assumed he was talking about both of them. If you want to know If he really meant both or just GPUs then ask him It's that simple!

BTW erocker was quoting and replying to my post and surprise I was talking only about Nvidia vs AMD and GPUs. So the whole debate was started by me and was about GPUs and not both of them.

 

[EarthDog]

Don't care, if it is as fast and cheaper the cost of power is slight.

Indeed, but heat mitigation and noise are also part of the equation.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Interesting. I wonder how power efficiency will play out on this though.

I was wondering this also.

 

[medi01]

...you quoted a part of what Assimilator said...

No, I literally put entire screenshot with entire post.
Are you OK?

Did he directly mention cpus or Intel somewhere in that post?

You mean, when saying "AMD never undercut their competitor by such a significant amount" he meant only some competitors in some of the markets, but just forgot ot put "some" into the sentence?
Could it be he also meant particular time period?

 

[Legacy-ZA]

I don't think I have seen any mention of this yet; If the new AMD cards support Crossfire, AMD might have a big advantage over nVidia.

nVidia doesn't support nVlink/SLi on their RTX2060 / 2070 and 1600 series cards.

 

[Casecutter]

videocard could end up costing you an egregious $30/year extra...and we can't have that

And being so attentive you've already invested in a PSU that is at least GOLD+ right?

So what? I already said we were talking about GPUs not CPUs, can't you read?

Jun 25th, 2008 the 4870 released at $299, and the GTX 280 released about a month earlier Jun 16th, 2008 at $650 and only offered 13% more performance, or on perf/$ that was half the 4870.
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Diamond/HD_4870/23.html

Having efficiency is great unless you have to pay someone else that "monthly savings" all up front.

 

[THANATOS]

No, I literally put entire screenshot with entire post.
Are you OK?

I wasn't talking about that. I was talking about this.

They've never undercut their competitor by such a significant amount

8 core Zen CPUs.
290/290x.
1050Ti vs 470/570.

You mean, when saying "AMD never undercut their competitor by such a significant amount" he meant only some competitors in some of the markets, but just forgot ot put "some" into the sentence?
Could it be he also meant particular time period?

Just ask him, then you will know If he meant in this part of his post:

They've never undercut their competitor by such a significant amount, and they have zero incentive to do so this time around, unless they want to go all-out on trying to regain marketshare.

both GPUs and CPUs or not, because in his whole post he explicitly mentioned only GPUs and Nvidia and there was no mention of CPUs and Intel.

 

[cucker tarlson]

Going to treat this rumor with a mountain of salt. However, is the pricing really that unbelievable?

lol,nvidia themselves have a 2070 challenger at $350,and it comes with rt features too.

 

[THANATOS]

And being so attentive you've already invested in a PSU that is at least GOLD+ right?


Jun 25th, 2008 the 4870 released at $299, and the GTX 280 released about a month earlier Jun 16th, 2008 at $650 and only offered 13% more performance, or on perf/$ that was half the 4870.
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Diamond/HD_4870/23.html

Having efficiency is great unless you have to pay someone else that "monthly savings" all up front.

It was almost 11 years ago, but I accept It. Thanks for providing this. I still think It won't happen with Navi, but that's just my opinion and I could be wrong.

 

[EarthDog]

I don't think I have seen any mention of this yet; If the new AMD cards support Crossfire, AMD might have a big advantage over nVidia.

nVidia doesn't support nVlink/SLi on their RTX2060 / 2070 and 1600 series cards.

MEH... multi-GPU has lost its luster and has been losing favor for what seems like years now. Scaling isn't always there, double the power, double the heat, double the price... unless you cannot reach the FPS you want, single card is the way to go.

 

[bug]

War.. war between brands and their supporters never change

This isn't war, this is just medi01 going bananas over CPUs in a thread about GPU rumors.

 

[Super XP]

I wanna say that When GTX 1050 Ti released in 2016, it's price was 140 Dollars. RX 470 costed 180 Dollars and it only pass %30 GTX 1050 Ti. GTX 1050 Ti is only 75W. Well, how much power RX 470 spends?
R9 390X-390=RX 580 for 2 years. I think that Nvidia defeats AMD. GTX 980 is same with GTX 1060 6GB.
AMD builts Ryzen for 4 years because of the fact that Jim Keller helps AMD and he left AMD. So what will we see in 2021?
In the same way, Raja koduri left AMD. I don't expect these GPUs are as good as RTX 2070 for 330 Dollars. Maybe it will same with GTX 1660 Ti(RX3080 non XT).




Why do you defend AMD?
Everyone is right for Nvidia's pricing method. I think that GTX 1650 should costs 130 Dollars.

Jim Keller never stays with one company for very long. He's hired to help design CPU Micro-Architectures, then moves on.

What Jim Keller did for AMD is not only assist with the ZEN Design, but also had a hand in the CPU Design after ZEN 4's completion in 2021 or so. Basically he's set AMD up for several years in advance.

He will do the same for Intel, then move onto other ventures or simply retire.

It took AMD about 5 years to design and launch ZEN. In 2015 AMD started development on a New GPU Design, built from the ground up. That GPU should be available sometime in 2020, though depending on how well Navi performs as a last GCN based effort, AMD may as well push the new GPU Design to 2021 to further enhance the architecture. D

With Dr. Lisa Su leading AMD, the success of ZEN I am confident Navi will impress just enough to satisfy the average gamer, all while they prepare the brand new gpu.

MEH... multi-GPU has lost its luster and has been losing favor for what seems like years now. Scaling isn't always there, double the power, double the heat, double the price... unless you cannot reach the FPS you want, single card is the way to go.

As much as I would like to disagree, I cannot lol

Perhaps one day Games will take better multi Core advantage.

 

[Casecutter]

Indeed, but heat mitigation and noise are also part of the equation.

How's that helping the "de-contented" GTX 1660 Ti, even with low TDP many run hot and not better on dBA, they just cheapen-up what they give as a cooler to the point it look like something you use to expect from $120 budget construction. Oh, but "gussy it up" with a plastic backing-plate.
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GeForce_GTX_1660_Ti_Ventus_XS/32.html

It was almost 11 years ago, but I accept It. Thanks for providing this. I still think It won't happen with Navi, but that's just my opinion and I could be wrong.

These are just rumors but I think AMD want's to grab market share. I think AMD will be doing all it takes to get RGT back competitive and working off Nvidia inflating their margins is one place. They'll do this 7nm derivative of GCN for at best 18 months, and the it will move to the "Next Gen" Architecture. I think their "Ryzen" will be early 2022. Right now need to build on what is/was a rebirth after their lull in R&D and moving past the pruning dead wood from the Raja Koduri era.

 

[cucker tarlson]

So "AMD never cut price like that" is BS.
The poster above found $330 vs $499 unbelievable, but AMD did $499 vs $1089.


AdoredTV is "a random guy", also don't miss more breaking news on BentOverBackwards network, at 6pm, in "Green and Greener".

I'm all ears about "non HEDT" 8 core CPU by Intel, or exactly what makes CPU HEDT (or not).
Why is it so f*cking hard to admit you said something that appeared to be wrong and just move the f*ck on, why do you need to go full pathetic?

you're getting yourself so worked up before we have any tangible indication of performance and price.
let's wait and see.
do you really think rtg is in the position to undercut nvidia that much?then what's all the fuss you're making?nvidia themselves have a $350 competitor for 2070,it's called 2060.

 

[EarthDog]

How's that helping the "de-contented" GTX 1660 Ti, even with low TDP many run hot and not better on dBA, they just cheapen-up what they give as a cooler to the point it look like something you use to expect from $120 budget construction. Oh, but "gussy it up" with a plastic backing-plate.
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GeForce_GTX_1660_Ti_Ventus_XS/32.html

Well, heat and temperature are different things, mind you. THere are other factors involved outside of TDP.

That said, higher TDP cards can be quieter than lower TDP card it just depends on other factors. But typically and in general, a lower TDP with the same cooler/fans and heatload from the same size source should run cooler and quieter.

 

[dicktracy]

Adored already did a 180 to this bogus rumor. LOL Don’t set yourselves up for another major disappointment.

 

[EarthDog]

Adored already did a 180 to this bogus rumor. LOL Don’t set yourselves up for another major disappointment.

A link would be good.