AMD Confirms Launch of Next-gen Ryzen, EPYC and Navi for Q3

[TheLostSwede]

IMO, stop thinking Intel GHz style, AMD don't need to go "5Ghz+" since it's already mentions that clock speed gonna suffer fron now, so they need to improve IPC and such to improve the performance.
So maybe we are back in Athlon 64 days when AMD's lower clock matched Intel's high clock parts. (Athlon 64 3000+ was P4 3Ghz equivalent at 1.8Ghz! )
So think like "Ryzen 3000 will boost to 5Ghz Intel equivalent" but in reality it will be just around 4.5Ghz.

Nope.

 

[HwGeek]

I will remind you this post in few weeks .

 

[SL2]

So think like "Ryzen 3000 will boost to 5Ghz Intel equivalent" but in reality it will be just around 4.5Ghz.

The 9900K runs at 3.6 Ghz, and you think that Matisse will run slower than that?

 

[Frick]

"hopefully integrating new technologies such as dedicated Ray Tracing cores for higher frame rates in Ray Tracing enabled games "
Really who cares....

If someone makes a good Jedi Knight game with heaps of good ray tracing I would likely upgrade for that specifically. Otherwise I completely agree.

 

[FYFI13]

"16 cores in Ryzen 9 SKUs, 12 cores in Ryzen 7 SKUs and 8 cores in Ryzen 5 SKUs"

What about 4/6 core parts? There are so many low/mid-end AM4 motherboards in the wild that simply won't be able to handle anything with more than 6 cores. Heck, not everyone needs so many cores.

I will remind you this post in few weeks .

Nope, WE will remind YOU your post in a few weeks

All those vulnerabilities exposed on Intel's processor, the hotfixes/security patches might downgrade his/her 9700K to a 2700K performance

9700K is not affected by latest vulnerabilities as it does not feature hyper threading, unlike it's more expensive brother 9900K.

 

[HwGeek]

IMO there is no point in low end parts , just transferring the CPU around to get the I/O from GF and CPU chiplet from TSMC is too much for such cheap low end parts.
They still got Ryzen 1000/2000 around.
This is why I think there will be no 8C/16T availible for many months, because if they price it $299 -what they gonna do with all the 2700X stock right now?
Dropping 2700X price to $249? but then the Ryzen 2700 and all 1800X/1700X/1700 will drop massively + 2600X/2600= Not good for business IMO.

They will sell only 3 top SKU's from $699[Ryzen 9 16C 3000X]/$599[Ryzen 9 16C 3000]/$499[Ryzen 7 12C 3000X] at first and rest will come 1Q later.

 

[FYFI13]

IMO there is no point in low end parts , just transferring the CPU around to get the I/O from GF and CPU chiplet from TSMC is too much for such cheap low end parts.

What do you mean there's no point in making low/mid end parts? There's a huge market for these. Not to mention that only small percent of current AM4 motherboard have strong enough VRMs to feed 8+ core processors.

They still got Ryzen 1000/2000 around.

Ryzen 2000? What's the cheapest, most low-end CPU is in Ryzen 2000 series? A six core Ryzen 5 2600! That's far from low-end. Would you buy that for HTPC? I wouldn't. What about people with lower salary, will they accept R5 2600 as a cheapest option? No.

 

[SL2]

What about 4/6 core parts? There are so many low/mid-end AM4 motherboards in the wild that simply won't be able to handle anything with more than 6 cores.

Do you think they will be able to handle fewer cores than today? I just checked some A320 boards, they all support the 2700X, except for the one from ASRock that only supports the 2700. I don't think the next 8 core will run hotter, do you?

IMO

 

[HwGeek]

What do you mean there's no point in making low/mid end parts? There's a huge market for these. Not to mention that only small percent of current AM4 motherboard have strong enough VRMs to feed 8+ core processors.


Ryzen 2000? What's the cheapest, most low-end CPU is in Ryzen 2000 series? A six core Ryzen 5 2600! That's far from low-end. Would you buy that for HTPC? I wouldn't. What about people with lower salary, will they accept R5 2600 as a cheapest option? No.

For 4C you already got 2400G/2200G refresh as 3400G/3200G, the min for 7nm Ryzen parts will be 6C/12T IMO, and they indeed will sell like crazy.
Imagine cheap 6C Ryzen 3 that can be OCed to ~4.5Ghz, best selling Gaming CPU IMO + B450/B550 MB for cheap.

P.S; it's indeed interesting what they gonna do damaged chiplets with only 4C active, since Zen 2.0 4C CPU with I/O needs to be around Ryzen 1200 pricing, and that's cheap, Do you think that they gonna make another 8C model with 2*4c chiplets? or only 1x8C chiplet?

 

[Tsukiyomi91]

guess we can put all the rumor mills to bed... Q3 will be AMD's time to shake some trees.

 

[SL2]

Do you think that they gonna make another 8C model with 2*4c chiplets? or only 1x8C chiplet?

I can answer that.

Selling both might cause inconsistency in performance numbers, and I think they'd like to avoid that.

 

[FYFI13]

Do you think they will be able to handle fewer cores than today? I just checked some A320 boards, they all support the 2700X, except for the one from ASRock that only supports the 2700.

Don't try to be smartass on this one. Yes you can install 2700X on cheap A320 motherboards and it will boot. The problem is VRM which will die sooner or later, depending on how often machine is used and at what load levels. Use such a setup for video editing 8 hours per day, 5 days per week and then report back I wouldn't even use Ryzen 2400G on the boards (unless it was intended for web browsing and video watching/HTPCs).

For 4C you already got 2400G/2200G refresh as 3400G/3200G

APUs comes with extra price. I'm talking about true 4/6 core CPU's, without iGPU, just like Ryzen 1200, 1300, 1400, 1500 and 1600.

 

[SL2]

Don't try to be smartass on this one.

Oh come on, it was a honest question. I thought you meant support, not real world usage, I guess I misread.

As for your answer, you might be right, but I still think Matisse will draw less power. If that's the case, then the 8 core Matisse is a better choice than the 2700 for budget boards, besides the overall improvements.

 

[HwGeek]

Don't forget that the low clock 8C will use less power then 2700X with much higher performance, so there should be no problem using Ryzen 3000 6~8 core "65W" models.
"Same performance- half the power".

 

[Tsukiyomi91]

whether budget level boards supports those higher end tier chips or not, I would never recommend anyone going with that route knowing well that one fine day one has to replace the entire system just by skimping out the most important part of the build to "save money".

 

[NdMk2o1o]

Don't try to be smartass on this one. Yes you can install 2700X on cheap A320 motherboards and it will boot. The problem is VRM which will die sooner or later, depending on how often machine is used and at what load levels. Use such a setup for video editing 8 hours per day, 5 days per week and then report back I wouldn't even use Ryzen 2400G on the boards (unless it was intended for web browsing and video watching/HTPCs).

APUs comes with extra price. I'm talking about true 4/6 core CPU's, without iGPU, just like Ryzen 1200, 1300, 1400, 1500 and 1600.

Really, seeing how a320 have been out a long time now, Where's all the users on the web complaining their motherboards have exploded due to running 2600x/2700 on them? 95w cpu is 95w regardless of the number of cores so as long as they fit within current power envelope it doesn't matter if its a 4 core or 100 cores, but a320 users won't be the target audience for 16 core chips anyway neither will the majority of them be looking to buy 16 core and keeping their $40 motherboard

 

[FYFI13]

whether budget level boards supports those higher end tier chips or not, I would never recommend anyone going with that route knowing well that one fine day one has to replace the entire system just by skimping out the most important part of the build to "save money".

And this comes from a guy with P8B75-M LX Plus? A low-end motherboard that doesn't even have heatsinks over VRM? Don't get me wrong, I'm not laughing at your system, just saying that if it was AM4 board, your upgrade options would be heavily limited.
Motherboard that i use right now is also on lower end and check Buildzoids opinion on it. It's a lengthy video but you and few other guys in this thread should totally watch it.

Really, seeing how a320 have been out a long time now, Where's all the users on the web complaining their motherboards have exploded due to running 2600x/2700 on them? 95w cpu is 95w regardless of the number of cores so as long as they fit within current power envelope it doesn't matter if its a 4 core or 100 cores, but a320 users won't be the target audience for 16 core chips anyway neither will the majority of them be looking to buy 16 core and keeping their $40 motherboard

To begin with, learn the difference between AMDs advertised TDP vs actual power draw

 

[Caring1]

To begin with, learn the difference between AMDs advertised TDP vs actual power draw

Same can be said about Intel CPU's

 

[Chomiq]

There you go AMD:

Radeon VII - available now
Navi - all new GPU architecture in 7nm - Q3 2019

Fixed it for you.

Ps.

Same can be said about Intel CPU's

Yup:

https://www.gamersnexus.net/images/media/2018/motherboards/intel-tdp/1_intel-tdp-investigation-power-draw.png

 

[FYFI13]

Same can be said about Intel CPU's

I'm not bashing one or another brand in any way.

 

[RealNeil]

show me one rumor that says it's an OC beast. (Not the OP..)

I'm willing to wait for the release before judging it's merits or shortcomings.
Rumors are all over the place, and not worth the time it takes to sort them.

I have two Intel rigs here (8700K and 9900K) so I'm not hurting for performance.
But I believe that AMD is crucial to the well being of the CPU/GPU markets, and I'll support their efforts as I always have.
So my wife's office machine is a Ryzen 5 1600X that is good for some gaming and does her Office tasks without any issues.
She loves it. I took a Quad-Core Xeon system out of there when I upgraded her to the 1600X.
I've offered to upgrade her office PC again since then and she threatened me if I touched it.

Once these new Ryzens hit the market I'll buy one, but I'm just not sure what it will be until I see some reviews.

 

[Casecutter]

Welp. Navi is confirmed to be right below Radeon VII performance... meh.

I need something to play new Final Fantasy XIV expansion this June

rumor that said Fury was an overclocker's dream

All these small fries need is a lot of salt...

Navi with raytracing ? Ryzen 3000 as OC beast ?

I took this as just being sarcastic, not based in fact... right?

 

[moproblems99]

All these small fries need is a lot of salt...

I was simply replying that just because of a rumor of being an overclocking beast has come out does not mean it is so. There is no salt here. If you read what we were saying, you would see that. I will be buying Zen 2 unless it is not faster than my current 4770k. And since Zen+ is already faster than my 4770k, what does that mean?

 

[Casecutter]

because of a rumor of being an overclocking beast has come out does not mean it is so

Totally my bad you're correct! Just got mixed-up in who's inferring what, and didn't mean to say you're deal rumors. I've up'd a post or 2 of up to this point. Sincerely

 

[moproblems99]

Totally my bad you're correct! Just got mixed-up in who's inferring what, and didn't mean to say you're deal rumors. I've up'd a post or 2 of up to this point. Sincerely

They are hard to follow, no doubt. Makes the conversation style of reddit nice sometimes.