AMD Radeon RX 5700 XT Beats GeForce RTX 2070 in a Spectrum of Games

[cyneater]

What's wrong with blower-style cards?

Blowers are epic like the blowers on the Detroit diesel 2 strokes

 

[Vayra86]

Blowers are epic like the blowers on the Detroit diesel 2 strokes

Last I checked we tend to refrain from putting a diesel engine in the attic or living room

 

[delshay]

Everyone is talking about the 5700 XT, but not one user has said anything about the 50th anniversary edition sofar. This card must be on the doorstep of the Radeon VII because it's an even faster card.

 

[Candor]

So is it safe to assume that since they have named this the 5700, that there will be a 5800 and maybe 5900? (Or at least 5750 etc).

Seems likely to me.

 

[ratirt]

So is it safe to assume that since they have named this the 5700, that there will be a 5800 and maybe 5900? (Or at least 5750 etc).

Seems likely to me.

Honestly, I really hope there will be at least 5800 and hoping it will be somewhat 2080 performance margin or even up. That would've been something

 

[Deleted member 172152]

That's a really valuable point. Thanks for that. I will wait for the new NAVI and get one of these. I hope there will be higher end models with NAVI chip announced soon. I'd go for the top notch model when out.

High tdp aside, navi is frickin awesome compared to gcn! Sadly, that does mean RDNA won't make it to the high-end untill 7nm+, but it's definitely a major step in the right directipn and for a much better price.

 

[delshay]

High tdp aside, navi is frickin awesome compared to gcn! Sadly, that does mean RDNA won't make it to the high-end untill 7nm+, but it's definitely a major step in the right directipn and for a much better price.

I say skip 7nm+ & jump to 5 or 3nm.

 

[bug]

Priced the same as the 2070 and AMD won't talk TDP even when they hold a fab node advantage. Better than Vega, but if Turing was "overpriced", then how do we wrap our heads around Navi at the same price points?

 

[medi01]

So is it safe to assume that since they have named this the 5700, that there will be a 5800 and maybe 5900? (Or at least 5750 etc).

Seems likely to me.

Ignoring all the rumours of bigger Navi in about 6 month from now, 250mm^2 5700XT rocks only 40 CUs.

 

[Metroid]

Priced the same as the 2070 and AMD won't talk TDP even when they hold a fab node advantage. Better than Vega, but if Turing was "overpriced", then how do we wrap our heads around Navi at the same price points?

Like I always say if the performance justifies, navi looks good now, if we had a 7nm nvidia, i'm sure we would see navi not that good, more like, regular, the same can be said amd x intel, imagine intel 7nm x ryzen 3000 series 7nm.

 

[EarthDog]

Like I always say if the performance justifies, navi looks good now, if we had a 7nm nvidia, i'm sure we would see navi not that good, more like, regular, the same can be said amd x intel, imagine intel 7nm x ryzen 3000 series 7nm.

What's so good about it though? Performance and price are the same but the cards use more wattage. This isn't a huge deal obviously but they still haven't caught up in that respect. 225W for 175W performance. The lower one at 180W vs 160W is better....but it shows me that is the sweet spot. This tells me nearly 300W for 2080+ performance?

 

[Metroid]

What's so good about it though? Performance and price are the same but the cards use more wattage. This isn't a huge deal obviously but they still haven't caught up in that respect. 225W for 175W performance. The lower one at 180W vs 160W is better....but it shows me that is the sweet spot. This tells me nearly 300W for 2080+ performance?

Agreed, "Performance and price are the same but the cards use more wattage", in this case after a certain voltage, wattage extrapolated, and that might be the case of the 225w. Ryzen 3700x 3.6ghz 8 cores = 65w, ryzen 3800x =105w, clock start at 3.9, core count same. I guess after 3.6, it needs a lot more voltage but that is related to binned and non binned chip too. I guess best chips go to 3700x and 3900x at moment.

Ryzen 7 3700X	July 7, 2019 US $329	8 (16)	3.6	4.4	64 KB per core	512 KB per core	32 MB	AM4	24	DDR4-3200 dual-channel	65 W
Ryzen 7 3800X	July 7, 2019 US $399	3.9	4.5	105 W
Ryzen 9 3900X	July 7, 2019 US $499	12 (24)	3.8	4.6	64 MB	105w
Ryzen 9 3950X	Sep, 2019 US $749	16 (32)	3.5	4.7	105w

 

[EarthDog]

What do CPUs have to do with this GPU thread? I was talking the 5700 variants, not CPUs.

EDIt: And holy jeebus is that table borked, lol

 

[Chrispy_]

Blower. We need to get rid of blower, even nvidia did.

Blowers work exceptionally well for 200W or lower; They ensure that none of the exhaust air is recirculated and this has the added benefit of keeping the case and cpu fans running quieter too.
In a large gaming case with adequate airflow, blowers are unnecessary and offer limited real-world benefits but in a compact PC or even an OEM PC from HP/Dell/Lenovo etc - they will be superior in both performance and noise.

All of the Nvidia Founders Edition blowers are excellent, quiet, and compact coolers. By contrast, the third-party partner coolers are bulkier and make the card flimsier (necessitating backplates and bracing). In a lot of cases the larger radius fans make the gpu too tall to physically fit in a lot of OEM cases, because they stand far too proud of the PCIe slot retention bracket.

 

[EarthDog]

Blowers work exceptionally well for 200W or lower; They ensure that none of the exhaust air is recirculated and this has the added benefit of keeping the case and cpu fans running quieter too.

In tiny cases where this helps a tangible amount, sure. For most cases, a few C raised internals means nothing.

There is nothing superior about their performance or noise... let's be honest here.

The coolers do not make the card flimsy. It does make them heavier, however. Sure, some GPUs with a different cooler don't fit in OEM cases, but, you simply buy one that can.

Your affection for blower type coolers is funny.

 

[efikkan]

You mean "will AMD have somethign to beat 754mm^2 card that costs $1300 and hardly anyone buys"?
When they get some spare R&D money to have a separate project just for LOLs.

That card that "hardly anyone buys" still outnumbers Vega in the Steam hardware survey.

 

[ZoneDymo]

And that launched at $1500, and could heat the house and the hot tub at the same time.

so? we are not talking about what was a better card overall, if that was the question AMD would have a lot more wins, the mere statement/question was "Will AMD ever beat Nvidia at high end gaming? "
The answer is yes, the 295x2, price and heat are irrelevant.

 

[Chrispy_]

In tiny cases where this helps a tangible amount, sure. For most cases, a few C raised internals means nothing.

There is nothing superior about their performance or noise... let's be honest here.

The coolers do not make the card flimsy. It does make them heavier, however. Sure, some GPUs with a different cooler don't fit in OEM cases, but, you simply buy one that can.

Your affection for blower type coolers is funny.

It's not an affection for blowers, it's just that they serve a purpose, don't have to be awful, and are more compatible with a wider range of machines.

I was simply correcting someone who said that we need to get rid of them; That's a sweeping generalisation that would be wrong and cause problems for a good few people.

I have the 2060FE which comes with axial fans and the bad news is that I won't be able to pass it down to my HTPC in the future - I'll have to sell it on instead. Not exactly a huge deal but it's an inconvenience that wouldn't exist if it used a more traditional exhausting blower. I will also be changing my old Haswell/DDR3 machine for one of the new Ryzens later this year and my ideal case (A Silverstone SG05) works best with blowers. I'll need to choose between keeping the 2060FE and dealing with the extra noise and heat issues it causes, choosing a larger case, or sticking with the SG05 and replacing the GPU. Yet another problem caused by the axial cooler.

 

[RoutedScripter]

Wasn't the AMD Radeon VII marketed as 1440p and beyond, and this one as 1080p, change of wording it seems, I have 8 GB of VRAM right now for many years, I'm ABSOLUTELY NOT going to stick with 8GB if I upgrade the GPU in 1-2 years. You kidding me or what, I hope there's a 16GB GDDR6 version down the line in this segment, seriously dafuq.

I'm already loaded up over 6 GB VRAM just a small mission in DCS, let alone all the new maps and texture upgrades coming in the next few years and in the forseeable future.

 

[EarthDog]

It's not an affection for blowers, it's just that they serve a purpose, don't have to be awful, and are more compatible with a wider range of machines.

I was simply correcting someone who said that we need to get rid of them; That's a sweeping generalisation that would be wrong and cause problems for a good few people.

I have the 2060FE which comes with axial fans and the bad news is that I won't be able to pass it down to my HTPC in the future - I'll have to sell it on instead. Not exactly a huge deal but it's an inconvenience that wouldn't exist if it used a more traditional exhausting blower. I will also be changing my old Haswell/DDR3 machine for one of the new Ryzens later this year and my ideal case (A Silverstone SG05) works best with blowers. I'll need to choose between keeping the 2060FE and dealing with the extra noise and heat issues it causes, choosing a larger case, or sticking with the SG05 and replacing the GPU. Yet another problem caused by the axial cooler.

The serve a purpose, indeed. Just not for a lot of people in general. Unless its an ITX build, dumping some heat into a case isn't a big deal... especially over the noise these make.

 

[Deleted member 172152]

Wasn't the AMD Radeon VII marketed as 1440p and beyond, and this one as 1080p, change of wording it seems, I have 8 GB of VRAM right now for many years, I'm ABSOLUTELY NOT going to stick with 8GB if I upgrade the GPU in 1-2 years. You kidding me or what, I hope there's a 16GB GDDR6 version down the line in this segment, seriously dafuq.

I'm already loaded up over 6 GB VRAM just a small mission in DCS, let alone all the new maps and texture upgrades coming in the next few years and in the forseeable future.

Games over-buffer, doesn't impact performance much if at all (see Radeon VII performing weaker in many games with large buffers compared tk 2080 than normal, even with double the VRAM and "11GB" usage).

 

[medi01]

That card that "hardly anyone buys" still outnumbers Vega in the Steam hardware survey.

I don't see it in Steam hardware survey, would you mind to show the receipts?

 

[EarthDog]

I don't see it in Steam hardware survey, would you mind to show the receipts?

It's there... maybe do a search on the page, ehh?

 

[efikkan]

I don't see it in Steam hardware survey, would you mind to show the receipts?

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It may soon even catch up with RX 460…

 

[kapone32]

Very true, just interesting to see how it might compare to AMD's current $699 top dog.

For Vega 64 owners like me I see this card as being better than the Vega VII at lower resolutions but should not be able to beat it at 4K but time will tell.