What's wrong with blower-style cards?
Blowers are epic like the blowers on the Detroit diesel 2 strokes
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What's wrong with blower-style cards?
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Blowers are epic like the blowers on the Detroit diesel 2 strokes![]()
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Honestly, I really hope there will be at least 5800 and hoping it will be somewhat 2080 performance margin or even up. That would've been somethingSo is it safe to assume that since they have named this the 5700, that there will be a 5800 and maybe 5900? (Or at least 5750 etc).
Seems likely to me.
High tdp aside, navi is frickin awesome compared to gcn! Sadly, that does mean RDNA won't make it to the high-end untill 7nm+, but it's definitely a major step in the right directipn and for a much better price.That's a really valuable point. Thanks for that. I will wait for the new NAVI and get one of these. I hope there will be higher end models with NAVI chip announced soon. I'd go for the top notch model when out.
High tdp aside, navi is frickin awesome compared to gcn! Sadly, that does mean RDNA won't make it to the high-end untill 7nm+, but it's definitely a major step in the right directipn and for a much better price.
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So is it safe to assume that since they have named this the 5700, that there will be a 5800 and maybe 5900? (Or at least 5750 etc).
Seems likely to me.
Priced the same as the 2070 and AMD won't talk TDP even when they hold a fab node advantage. Better than Vega, but if Turing was "overpriced", then how do we wrap our heads around Navi at the same price points?
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What's so good about it though? Performance and price are the same but the cards use more wattage. This isn't a huge deal obviously but they still haven't caught up in that respect. 225W for 175W performance. The lower one at 180W vs 160W is better....but it shows me that is the sweet spot. This tells me nearly 300W for 2080+ performance?Like I always say if the performance justifies, navi looks good now, if we had a 7nm nvidia, i'm sure we would see navi not that good, more like, regular, the same can be said amd x intel, imagine intel 7nm x ryzen 3000 series 7nm.
What's so good about it though? Performance and price are the same but the cards use more wattage. This isn't a huge deal obviously but they still haven't caught up in that respect. 225W for 175W performance. The lower one at 180W vs 160W is better....but it shows me that is the sweet spot. This tells me nearly 300W for 2080+ performance?
Ryzen 7 3700X | July 7, 2019 US $329 | 8 (16) | 3.6 | 4.4 | 64 KB per core | 512 KB per core | 32 MB | AM4 | 24 | DDR4-3200 dual-channel | 65 W |
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Ryzen 7 3800X | July 7, 2019 US $399 | 3.9 | 4.5 | 105 W | |||||||
Ryzen 9 3900X | July 7, 2019 US $499 | 12 (24) | 3.8 | 4.6 | 64 MB | 105w | |||||
Ryzen 9 3950X | Sep, 2019 US $749 | 16 (32) | 3.5 | 4.7 | 105w |
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Blower. We need to get rid of blower, even nvidia did.
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In tiny cases where this helps a tangible amount, sure. For most cases, a few C raised internals means nothing.Blowers work exceptionally well for 200W or lower; They ensure that none of the exhaust air is recirculated and this has the added benefit of keeping the case and cpu fans running quieter too.
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That card that "hardly anyone buys" still outnumbers Vega in the Steam hardware survey.You mean "will AMD have somethign to beat 754mm^2 card that costs $1300 and hardly anyone buys"?
When they get some spare R&D money to have a separate project just for LOLs.
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And that launched at $1500, and could heat the house and the hot tub at the same time.
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Benchmark Scores | I once clocked a Celeron-300A to 564MHz on an Abit BE6 and it scored over 9000. |
It's not an affection for blowers, it's just that they serve a purpose, don't have to be awful, and are more compatible with a wider range of machines.In tiny cases where this helps a tangible amount, sure. For most cases, a few C raised internals means nothing.
There is nothing superior about their performance or noise... let's be honest here.
The coolers do not make the card flimsy. It does make them heavier, however. Sure, some GPUs with a different cooler don't fit in OEM cases, but, you simply buy one that can.
Your affection for blower type coolers is funny.![]()
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The serve a purpose, indeed. Just not for a lot of people in general. Unless its an ITX build, dumping some heat into a case isn't a big deal... especially over the noise these make.It's not an affection for blowers, it's just that they serve a purpose, don't have to be awful, and are more compatible with a wider range of machines.
I was simply correcting someone who said that we need to get rid of them; That's a sweeping generalisation that would be wrong and cause problems for a good few people.
I have the 2060FE which comes with axial fans and the bad news is that I won't be able to pass it down to my HTPC in the future - I'll have to sell it on instead. Not exactly a huge deal but it's an inconvenience that wouldn't exist if it used a more traditional exhausting blower. I will also be changing my old Haswell/DDR3 machine for one of the new Ryzens later this year and my ideal case (A Silverstone SG05) works best with blowers. I'll need to choose between keeping the 2060FE and dealing with the extra noise and heat issues it causes, choosing a larger case, or sticking with the SG05 and replacing the GPU. Yet another problem caused by the axial cooler.
Games over-buffer, doesn't impact performance much if at all (see Radeon VII performing weaker in many games with large buffers compared tk 2080 than normal, even with double the VRAM and "11GB" usage).Wasn't the AMD Radeon VII marketed as 1440p and beyond, and this one as 1080p, change of wording it seems, I have 8 GB of VRAM right now for many years, I'm ABSOLUTELY NOT going to stick with 8GB if I upgrade the GPU in 1-2 years. You kidding me or what, I hope there's a 16GB GDDR6 version down the line in this segment, seriously dafuq.
I'm already loaded up over 6 GB VRAM just a small mission in DCS, let alone all the new maps and texture upgrades coming in the next few years and in the forseeable future.
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Benchmark Scores | 3050 scores good 15-20% lower than average, despite ASUS's claims that it has uber cooling. |
I don't see it in Steam hardware survey, would you mind to show the receipts?That card that "hardly anyone buys" still outnumbers Vega in the Steam hardware survey.![]()
Benchmark Scores | Faster than yours... I'd bet on it. :) |
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It's there... maybe do a search on the page, ehh?I don't see it in Steam hardware survey, would you mind to show the receipts?
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I don't see it in Steam hardware survey, would you mind to show the receipts?
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Very true, just interesting to see how it might compare to AMD's current $699 top dog.