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[Zyll Goliat]

Is there PCIE X4 adapter to SATA 3 6 gb/s from which i can boot?I own Asus P6T Deluxe V2. and Samsung EVO 860, i would love to skip RAID 0 setup ...

Yes sure you can find those adapters for few $ and also you can get NVME SSD with much...much better speeds.....Tho not sure are all of them can be bootable on X58 platform....
Here is some older thread explaining this.M.2 SSD on old X58 system

 

[Edwired]

I can see what he maent by bootable m.2 adaptors im sure if you are beginning from scratch with either windows 7 to 10 theres a step that required to get windows to detect the adaptor via driver before installing the rest of the operating system. I used to have to do that a few times on weird motherboards before demanding for a driver to detect the chipset, sata port, etc as this was for windows 7 a long time ago. Then again it worth a try if you extract all the driver.inf files from the adaptor he mentioned put all the inf file onto a usb then start the reinstalling just the part where it say something about device driver to see if the adaptor is detected that way ya know if it can work or not

 

[Zyll Goliat]

I can see what he maent by bootable m.2 adaptors im sure if you are beginning from scratch with either windows 7 to 10 theres a step that required to get windows to detect the adaptor via driver before installing the rest of the operating system. I used to have to do that a few times on weird motherboards before demanding for a driver to detect the chipset, sata port, etc as this was for windows 7 a long time ago. Then again it worth a try if you extract all the driver.inf files from the adaptor he mentioned put all the inf file onto a usb then start the reinstalling just the part where it say something about device driver to see if the adaptor is detected that way ya know if it can work or not

I believe the problem is with UEFI and BIOS difference as UEFI is more modern solution and supports all those modern features in modern hardware including SSD's....In general NVME SSD's that have "Legacy" option should be recognized as bootable in X58 bios.....

 

[Edwired]

Well it worth try comparing between uefi and normal bios with the use of the adaptor

 

[Tabace]

I believe the problem is with UEFI and BIOS difference as UEFI is more modern solution and supports all those modern features in modern hardware including SSD's....In general NVME SSD's that have "Legacy" option should be recognized as bootable in X58 bios.....

Well buying m2 nvme ssd now isnt priority for me, cause all the money went for gpu, but i do still own pretty good sata 3 6gbps Samsung 860 EVO 480gb, but i do get half the speed and wierd icon on taskbar ''Removeble hard drive'', is there good old PCIE X4 - Sata 3 6 Gbps adapter in which i could connect my existing ssd and to be bootable?

 

[Edwired]

The removeable hard drive icon can be fixed by registry tweak sure google it as i had the same issue before had apply the tweak. When you say half speed it depending on the mode in the hard drive as it could be stuck in reemovable storage mode

 

[Zyll Goliat]

Well buying m2 nvme ssd now isnt priority for me, cause all the money went for gpu, but i do still own pretty good sata 3 6gbps Samsung 860 EVO 480gb, but i do get half the speed and wierd icon on taskbar ''Removeble hard drive'', is there good old PCIE X4 - Sata 3 6 Gbps adapter in which i could connect my existing ssd and to be bootable?

In general I believe any adapter should work just fine but then again really depends also on SSD....BTW what is your mobo?Did you tried some other ports?

 

[Samiam66]

Hello all ...new to forum

I Actually have 5 of these
All operating at 3.7 gb Not overclocked
2 of them are on 55 inch Tv's Lvr & Mbr rooms

Cisco Tac engineer..by day
Forza 7 Maniac at night


CPU: Intel Xeon E5-1620 v2
GPU: Nvidia GTX 1060-6GB
SSD: Samsung 860 Evo 250GB
HDD: WD Blue 1TB
RAM: 64gb Samsung M393B1G73QH0-CMA 8x8GB
MBD: HP 1589 Z420 V2 Workstation

 

[MrGRiMv25]

\Ahh man, wish my HP Workstation was in black; would almost be dscreet in my front room.

 

[Darmok N Jalad]

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Hello all ...new to forum

I Actually have 5 of these
All operating at 3.7 gb Not overclocked
2 of them are on 55 inch Tv's Lvr & Mbr rooms

Cisco Tac engineer..by day
Forza 7 Maniac at night


CPU: Intel Xeon E5-1620 v2
GPU: Nvidia GTX 1060-6GB
SSD: Samsung 860 Evo 250GB
HDD: WD Blue 1TB
RAM: 64gb Samsung M393B1G73QH0-CMA 8x8GB
MBD: HP 1589 Z420 V2 Workstation

Be sure to post in the HP workstation club as well! I think owning 5 would count.

 

[Edwired]

\Ahh man, wish my HP Workstation was in black; would almost be dscreet in my front room.

Time to spray paint it lol

 

[Samiam66]

Be sure to post in the HP workstation club as well! I think owning 5 would count.

thank you will do

 

[Tabace]

Yes sure you can find those adapters for few $ and also you can get NVME SSD with much...much better speeds.....Tho not sure are all of them can be bootable on X58 platform....
Here is some older thread explaining this.M.2 SSD on old X58 system

Hey man, my mobo is Asus X58 P6T V2 Deluxe, my ssd is Samsung 860 EVO 480 gb.I did try both Marwell and Intel

In general I believe any adapter should work just fine but then again really depends also on SSD....BTW what is your mobo?Did you tried some other ports?

My motherboard is Asus P6T Deluxe V2, and my SSD is Samsung 860 480 EVO, i did tried both Marwell and Intel ports inbeded on my mobo, both give only half speed and wierd icon ''Safely remove hard drive''.I want to buy just some X4 to sata 3 6gbps adapter from which i could boot

 

[Zyll Goliat]

Hey man, my mobo is Asus X58 P6T V2 Deluxe, my ssd is Samsung 860 EVO 480 gb.I did try both Marwell and Intel

My motherboard is Asus P6T Deluxe V2, and my SSD is Samsung 860 480 EVO, i did tried both Marwell and Intel ports inbeded on my mobo, both give only half speed and wierd icon ''Safely remove hard drive''.I want to buy just some X4 to sata 3 6gbps adapter from which i could boot

Well your mobo only have SATA 2 ports and in general when you connected SATA 3 ssd in SATA 2 ports the MAX speed should be bellow 300 Mbs but have no idea why you have that weird icon....I have SATA 3 port(Marwell) on my mobo but in reality thats not "true" SATA 3 speed....tho' my Old Samsung 650 and Kingston A400 worked perfectly normal in that port offcourse I could not reach their MAX potential speed.....as I remember Samsung was a bit faster in that port making it somewhere around 420mb/s but also writing was really slow.....Anyway I wish you good luck and SATA 3 SPEED

 

[ManGupta]

Hey man, my mobo is Asus X58 P6T V2 Deluxe, my ssd is Samsung 860 EVO 480 gb.I did try both Marwell and Intel

My motherboard is Asus P6T Deluxe V2, and my SSD is Samsung 860 480 EVO, i did tried both Marwell and Intel ports inbeded on my mobo, both give only half speed and wierd icon ''Safely remove hard drive''.I want to buy just some X4 to sata 3 6gbps adapter from which i could boot

Older X58 system only have SATA2 ports so Disc speed will be limited by that even if you use faster Sata SSD. PCIE SATA3 adapter may fix this.

BUT if you need very fast Boot Drive for Windows+Programmes you can also use a 9$ PCIE NVME Adapter and a M.2 NVME SSD. Will need some workaround to make NVME Drive as a Boot Drive, but its doable. Thereafter you may forget all your SATA2 limitation worries.

 

[Edwired]

Is it still worth it if i upgrade to use the sata 3 adaptor on the asus p5q deluxe or is it a waste of time??

 

[Darmok N Jalad]

Honestly, unless you need raw throughput on transfer speeds, the upgrade to SATA 3 is not that big of a deal, so long as you employ an SSD. SSDs biggest benefit is the near instantaneous seek times, and you will still see that benefit on SATA2. If you were chasing raw throughput, I'd skip SATA3 and go with an NVMe card and drive. You couldn't boot to it on a legacy system, but if you made it your working drive--be it games, video, whatever--you'd still see the gains.

I do speak from experience here. I had a legacy Mac Pro 4,1 that was SATA2 only. I upgraded it to SATA3 with a PCIe card. The raw speed gain was there, but the feel was the same.

 

[ManGupta]

You couldn't boot to it on a legacy system,

There are workarounds to make NVME SSD bootable OS Drive on a legacy system.

 

[Ruyki]

Is it still worth it if i upgrade to use the sata 3 adaptor on the asus p5q deluxe or is it a waste of time??

Probably not worth it. I run SATA 2 on my second system and it's fast enough. SATA 3 can also be slower than SATA 2 in some ways, depending on the controller. My second system has a P7P55PD-E (P55 chipset) and this board has SATA 2 as part of the chipset and SATA 3 on an extra chip. In my testing, the SATA 3 has better sequential performance than SATA 2 but worse performance for 4k reads and writes. Based on these results I decided to use SATA 2 on this system.

Here's the drive benchmarks I did on my second system using both SATA versions:
System: P7P55PD-E, Xeon X3440 @ 3,4Ghz, 2x4GB DDR3-1800, samsung 840 pro 256GB

using P7P55PD-E SATA 2 port:

using P7P55PD-E SATA 3 port:

 

[50eurouser]

When adding a SATA3 PCIe Adapter (Marvell,Asmedia) etc always check what kind of PCIe Gen. port you are connecting it. There is no point installing a SATA3 card into a mainboard with a P35 Chipset.
as Gen 1 x1 the port will give around ~250MB/sec bandwidth that will be a massive downgrade Vs the Intel SATA2 native. Also keep in mind that some chips have a Southbridge and these are most times PCIe Gen.1 like ICH9/10, for these platforms if u must use a SATA3 card then have to use it into a slot that comes from the X58/P45 etc that has PCIe Gen.2

Gen.1 x1 ~250MB/sec
Gen.2 x1 ~500MB/sec
Gen.3 x1 ~1000MB/sec

 

[Zyll Goliat]

Probably not worth it. I run SATA 2 on my second system and it's fast enough. SATA 3 can also be slower than SATA 2 in some ways, depending on the controller. My second system has a P7P55PD-E (P55 chipset) and this board has SATA 2 as part of the chipset and SATA 3 on an extra chip. In my testing, the SATA 3 has better sequential performance than SATA 2 but worse performance for 4k reads and writes. Based on these results I decided to use SATA 2 on this system.

Here's the drive benchmarks I did on my second system using both SATA versions:
System: P7P55PD-E, Xeon X3440 @ 3,4Ghz, 2x4GB DDR3-1800, samsung 840 pro 256GB

using P7P55PD-E SATA 2 port:
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using P7P55PD-E SATA 3 port:
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Well this is because your mobo also have one of the first"broken" Marvell Sata 3 controllers that in reality are not true sata 3.....

 

[Ruyki]

Well this is because your mobo also have one of the first"broken" Marvell Sata 3 controllers that in reality are not true sata 3.....

You are right, my P7P55PD-E has the Marvell Sata 3 controller.

 

[Zyll Goliat]

You are right, my P7P55PD-E has the Marvell Sata 3 controller.

Yes I know....My mobo also have Marvell sata 3 controller.....
P.S.Just for fun I decide to do SSD SATA 2 in raid instead(you can see the comparison difference on previous page)

 

[Edwired]

I used atto ssd benchmark to test the ssd it getting above 260ish mb in read and write with the 1gb setting much better than hdtune i was using before. Is that good enough performance for asus p5q deluxe? I throw up a screenshot later tonight as have to do a few things around the house at the moment

 

[MrGRiMv25]

Is it just me or are these WD Green SSD's just slow as hell? I mean I'm only stuck on SII due to having an X58 board.... makes me wonder if finding a PCI-E SSD with boot support for the spare x8 slots I have to get a better drive system than this. Only problem is I can't find any of the Intel 750 series but they're quite expensive for what they are anyway, and there an't many other PCI-E slot based SSD's doing the rounfds.