AMD Ryzen Memory Tweaking & Overclocking Guide

[mechtech]

Great tool, also lead me to thaiphoon burner, also that showed me my ram was Hynix MFR-TFC, which was a bit of a bummer, but it does have 3200 XMP though.

A question though, 1usmus, your DRAM tool, will you ever include 2133, and 2400 memory speeds, so we can get optimal timings from those speeds?

Thanks

 

[WuY276]

Config: MSI X470 Gaming Plus, R7 2700, 2x16GB (dual rank) OEM samsung B-Die with custom radiators. At 3333+ with any configuration of timings, RTT, CAD gives such error during windows boot. Blue more or less, but no complete BSOD. Also sometimes freeze at MSI bios logo. Is there a problem with the memory controller or motherboard?

 

[bensfunworld]

I'm at a bit of a loss here now. Can I start increasing Memory clock speeds now? Im using CMK16GX4M2A2133C13 (I know it isn't the best but it's what I've got). The image shows where all my settings are, with the exception being I'm running at 2400MHz, not 2666. I can't increase my speed or the system won't post, I can't really change settings either or it will still not post. So I have no real idea where to go from here.

 

[Amber Shade]

Not sure if my message not got lost, but... I tried to ask for explanation on tRC. In your guide it's stated to be tRAS + tRP, but your calculator prefers slightly different values, and what works for me is a bit higher too (I have SpekTek chips, used Micron D-die because that's what seems to work, but using 3000 preset for 2800 freq because it's unstable otherwise). It's 16-16-16-16-28-46 stable, but 16+28=44 sooo...? Also, I take it FAW is totaly trial and error?
Fun thing is that I seem to be dialing pretty close numbers just randomly. I mean, I've dialed in FAW 27, and it just won't work at 26... etc

 

[ECC_is_best]

@1usmus Hey Yuri, can you please help promote the idea that we want faster ECC for the Ryzen? I'm sure you must have seen hundreds of others asking for it... If we can have 5000Mhz non-ECC for Ryzen, then I would happy to shell out loads for 4000+Mhz ECC for Ryzen... Mistakes are for me to make, not my computer.

Happy to help however I can.

 

[eyedexe]

I have a question about the "Daisy Chain" Technology:

Basically the traces runs to a slot then to the other in the same channel, but which slot is first? A1 or A2? In fact, the best performing slots are A2 und B2.

 

[evilhf]

What is the best current motherboard of 2 memory slots, to achieve the highest possible frequencies.
I have gskill ddr 4000 cl17 and I want to get the most out of them!

 

[EarthDog]

What is the best current motherboard of 2 memory slots, to achieve the highest possible frequencies.
I have gskill ddr 4000 cl17 and I want to get the most out of them!

good luck getting that out of ryzen on anything. Return that memory and buy something more appropriate for the platform... ddr4 3200 on the qvl list.

 

[Deleted member 188355]

2700X on C7H with 2x16GB DR RAM here.
I've got it stable on one of the inbuilt Stilt Timing presets with a little lower frequency and am looking to learn more.

I'm currently running 3333Mhz. When i take procODT and RTT values from the page7 3333 DR setting instead of leaving them on Auto, that frequency does not become more or less stable - instead, memory training completely fails with Code F9.
I do not think you would intentionally publish untested settings, so maybe there's some other related setting that MUST be set with procODT and RTT that you did not mention on page 7?

Unlike timings, my motherboard does not show the current value of RTT_xxx in the settings screen, so i have no way of knowing what numbers "Auto" eventually comes up with.

 

[evilhf]

I have 2x8gb gskill royal 4000mhz cl17.
The maximum I achieved with my ryzen 5 1600x and msi motherboard x370 gaming pro carbon was 3400mhz cl14.
On the motherboard bios it has option up to 4200mhz.
I will get the zen2 3700x at launch, and it has support for 3733mhz 1: 1 sync or 4000 asynchronous.
My question is: Will my motherboard limit the memory frequency.
According to 1usmus my mother board and memory topology T is not good =<

 

[Mirasss]

Good day everyone,
I would have a question about DDR voltage on my Asrock Taichi X470 board. and Ryzen 7 2700x CPU I managed to stabilize 3466 at Cl14 (fast mode on DDR calculator) However, the SOC is much higher at 1.15V.

But my question is different. When I set the DDR voltage in bios, it actually shows (bios and HWinfo) a voltage of about 0.02V more. so instead of 1.435V... it is 1.456V showing. I wonder what can be believed, especially to the will of VTT.

The discussions I read that it shows higher and another with the same but I think that with a different motherboard. But I didn't find an answer.

Thank you in advance. And excuse my "Google English"

Bye

 

[EarthDog]

I wonder what can be believed, especially to the will of VTT.

Software is notoriously not correct. That said, a difference of .02V is nothing. Move along.

 

[Deadly NightShade]

At first,I'm sorry if my English is bad...because I'm Japanese.

I bought G.Skill F4-3600C19D-32GSXWB(Hynjix CJR,DR), and
combined with Ryzen7 1700X and MSI X370 Gaming Pro Carbon(AGESA=PinnaclePI 1.0.0.6).
the result is below.

Before(left) : DDR4-3200 16-18-18-36 Auto

After(right) :From calculator and manually configured(Testmem5,LinX AMD,Prime95 passed)
DDR4-3200 DRAM=1.350V, SoC=1.05V.
VDDP and CLDO,VPP = Auto, and it is not displayed on HWiNFO.

I failed to boot in 1st process of (Page 5:Theory: Sequence for Tuning RAM / SOC),
and tested all of setting within possibility.

I want to configure more if I can.
Please tell me the solution.

Other settings that I tried is below:

16-18-18-18-36-54 tFRC=432 : doesn't POST.
16-18-18-19-38-56 tFRC=448 : doesn't POST.
changed ProcODT=80ohm : Crash in BIOS.
changed ProcODT=60ohm,53ohm : doesn't POST.
RttNom=Disabled : doesn't POST.
RttPark =Disabled : doesn't POST.

 

[jojolapin102]

Hi, thank you @1usmus for this excellent guide !
I am a bit late, but I have a little question, do you know, or does anyone know, if the Gigabyte AX370 Gaming K7 has a T-topology or a daisy chain routing for RAM ?
Thanks

 

[xorbe]

At first,I'm sorry if my English is bad...because I'm Japanese.

I bought G.Skill F4-3600C19D-32GSXWB(Hynjix CJR,DR), and
combined with Ryzen7 1700X and MSI X370 Gaming Pro Carbon(AGESA=PinnaclePI 1.0.0.6).
the result is below.
View attachment 126347

Before(left) : DDR4-3200 16-18-18-36 Auto

After(right) :From calculator and manually configured(Testmem5,LinX AMD,Prime95 passed)
DDR4-3200 DRAM=1.350V, SoC=1.05V.
VDDP and CLDO,VPP = Auto, and it is not displayed on HWiNFO.

I failed to boot in 1st process of (Page 5:Theory: Sequence for Tuning RAM / SOC),
and tested all of setting within possibility.

I want to configure more if I can.
Please tell me the solution.

Other settings that I tried is below:

16-18-18-18-36-54 tFRC=432 : doesn't POST.
16-18-18-19-38-56 tFRC=448 : doesn't POST.
changed ProcODT=80ohm : Crash in BIOS.
changed ProcODT=60ohm,53ohm : doesn't POST.
RttNom=Disabled : doesn't POST.
RttPark =Disabled : doesn't POST.

That's a 2x16GB kit.
Try 3133-18-18-18-18-35-2T @ 1.375v (all other settings 'auto').
Try 3000-16-17-17-17-34-2T @ 1.375v (all other settings 'auto').
Try 2933-16-17-17-17-33-2T @ 1.375v (all other settings 'auto').
Try 2666-14-15-15-15-30-2T @ 1.375v (all other settings 'auto').

 

[Amber Shade]

At first,I'm sorry if my English is bad...because I'm Japanese.

I bought G.Skill F4-3600C19D-32GSXWB(Hynjix CJR,DR), and
combined with Ryzen7 1700X and MSI X370 Gaming Pro Carbon(AGESA=PinnaclePI 1.0.0.6).
the result is below.
View attachment 126347

Before(left) : DDR4-3200 16-18-18-36 Auto

After(right) :From calculator and manually configured(Testmem5,LinX AMD,Prime95 passed)
DDR4-3200 DRAM=1.350V, SoC=1.05V.
VDDP and CLDO,VPP = Auto, and it is not displayed on HWiNFO.

I failed to boot in 1st process of (Page 5:Theory: Sequence for Tuning RAM / SOC),
and tested all of setting within possibility.

I want to configure more if I can.
Please tell me the solution.

Other settings that I tried is below:

16-18-18-18-36-54 tFRC=432 : doesn't POST.
16-18-18-19-38-56 tFRC=448 : doesn't POST.
changed ProcODT=80ohm : Crash in BIOS.
changed ProcODT=60ohm,53ohm : doesn't POST.
RttNom=Disabled : doesn't POST.
RttPark =Disabled : doesn't POST.

have you tried increasing voltage? Also, increasing tRFC one step might help

 

[Deadly NightShade]

@xorbe
I want to stabilize it higher clock ,and lower latency...both of those(if I can).
Sorry,but thanks for the advice.

@Amber Shade
I haven't tried configure DRAM voltage beyond 1.35V
because I fear to break DRAM due to excessive voltage.

I'm considering to increase DRAM voltage up to 1.40V now.

Thanks for the advice.

 

[biffzinker]

@xorbe
I want to stabilize it higher clock ,and lower latency...both of those(if I can).
Sorry,but thanks for the advice.

@Amber Shade
I haven't tried configure DRAM voltage beyond 1.35V
because I fear to break DRAM due to excessive voltage.

I'm considering to increase DRAM voltage up to 1.40V now.

Thanks for the advice.

Should be safe up to 1.45V everything after is up to you.

 

[Aureliano]

At first,I'm sorry if my English is bad...because I'm Japanese.

I bought G.Skill F4-3600C19D-32GSXWB(Hynjix CJR,DR), and
combined with Ryzen7 1700X and MSI X370 Gaming Pro Carbon(AGESA=PinnaclePI 1.0.0.6).
the result is below.
View attachment 126347

Before(left) : DDR4-3200 16-18-18-36 Auto

After(right) :From calculator and manually configured(Testmem5,LinX AMD,Prime95 passed)
DDR4-3200 DRAM=1.350V, SoC=1.05V.
VDDP and CLDO,VPP = Auto, and it is not displayed on HWiNFO.

I failed to boot in 1st process of (Page 5:Theory: Sequence for Tuning RAM / SOC),
and tested all of setting within possibility.

I want to configure more if I can.
Please tell me the solution.

Other settings that I tried is below:

16-18-18-18-36-54 tFRC=432 : doesn't POST.
16-18-18-19-38-56 tFRC=448 : doesn't POST.
changed ProcODT=80ohm : Crash in BIOS.
changed ProcODT=60ohm,53ohm : doesn't POST.
RttNom=Disabled : doesn't POST.
RttPark =Disabled : doesn't POST.

Hitting 3466 or higher with DR CJR is very possible.

First set DRAM Frequency to 3466. Set primary timings to 16-19-19-19-36. Leave the rest auto.

The DRAM Voltage and SOC Voltage combinations given by the calculator are very good starting points. They work in pairs. Given a DRAM Voltage there is a corresponding optimal SOC Voltage. Moving higher or lower decreases stability, especially at high frequency.

The first step in tuning is finding the best ProcODT and RTT_Park. Though the calculator suggests 53 or 60 ProcODT for Hynix CJR, my CJR sticks work best at 48 ProcODT and 34 RTT_Park while my JJR sticks work best at 53 ProcODT and 40 RTT_Park. You have to experiment yourself.

Next you need to find the best combination of DRAM Voltage and SOC Voltage. For first gen Ryzen and X370 and CJR at 3466 the calculator suggests 1.29 and 1.075. I would fix the DRAM Voltage at 1.29 and try SOC Voltage between 1.05 and 1.1 step by step. Notice the change in stability and find the best SOC Voltage.

Now you should have a stable setting at loose timings. You can try to tune the timings. Tighten or loosen based on the DRAM Calculator.

Due to inconsistency in memory training on Ryzen, what appears to be a stable setting may fail after reboot. What finally got me to 3600 on Asus X399 is increasing VTTDDR, Vref, VPP.

 

[xorbe]

I want to stabilize it higher clock ,and lower latency...both of those(if I can).
Sorry,but thanks for the advice.

I tried 1500X + g.skill 3600 ram, and that's what I wound up with. Just sayin', sorry.

 

[Bill05]

@1usmus , I have a 2 x 8 GB Flare X kit (F4-3200C14D-16GFX) that I am attempting to OC with a Ryzen 3 2200G on an ASRock B450 Pro4 motherboard. Newbie here, but I seem to have trouble getting minimal errors @3333. I have my bus manually set to 100, SOC to 1.0875, and VDRAM at 1.375 (I think that was the max voltage suggested for that speed at safe). I have more troubleshooting to do, but is there anything different to consider because I am using an APU?

Edit - Yes, I have the calculator set to Zen 1, in case you were wondering.

 

[dado82rm]

Hi All i would like to call all the people that have samsung e-die ram
i have a Patriot pv416g340c6k 11ec1
Patriot Web site nad this is the SKU.
Strangely enough Taiphoon Burner and Rammon read the two stick one as Patriot ant the other as Greenfield Networks, the specs are the same though.

Spoiler: Spect THaiphoon Burner

Prepared by Thaiphoon Burner Super Blaster
-------------------------------------------------------------
MEMORY MODULE
-------------------------------------------------------------
Manufacturer : Greenfield Networks
Series : Not determined
Part Number : 3200 C16 Series
Serial Number : 00000000h
JEDEC DIMM Label : 8GB 2Rx8 PC4-2133P-UB0-10
Architecture : DDR4 SDRAM UDIMM
Speed Grade : DDR4-2133P downbin
Capacity : 8 GB (16 components)
Organization : 1024M x64 (2 ranks)
Register Manufacturer : N/A
Register Model : N/A
Manufacturing Date : Undefined
Manufacturing Location : Unknown: 02h
Revision / Raw Card : 0001h / B0 (8 layers)
-------------------------------------------------------------
DRAM COMPONENTS
-------------------------------------------------------------
Manufacturer : Samsung
Part Number : K4A4G085W?-BCPB
Package : Standard Monolithic 78-ball FBGA
Die Density / Count : 4 Gb / 1 die
Composition : 512Mb x8 (32Mb x8 x 16 banks)
Clock Frequency : 1067 MHz (0,938 ns)
Minimum Timing Delays : 15-15-15-36-50
Read Latencies Supported : 19T, 18T, 16T, 15T, 14T, 13T, 12T...
Supply Voltage : 1,20 V
XMP Certified : 1600 MHz / 16-18-18-36-64 / 1,35 V
XMP Extreme : Not programmed
SPD Revision : 1.0 / January 2014
XMP Revision : 2.0 / December 2013
-------------------------------------------------------------
SOURCE SPD DUMP
-------------------------------------------------------------
000 23 10 0C 02 84 19 00 08 00 00 00 03 09 03 00 00
010 00 00 08 0C F4 1B 00 00 6C 6C 6C 11 08 74 20 08
020 00 05 70 03 00 A8 1E 2B 2B 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
030 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 16 36 16 36
040 16 36 16 36 00 20 2B 0C 2B 0C 2B 0C 2B 0C 00 00
050 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
060 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
070 00 00 00 00 00 EC B5 CE 00 00 00 00 00 C2 F2 F0
080 11 11 01 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
090 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
0A0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
0B0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
0C0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
0D0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
0E0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
0F0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 DE 27
100 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
110 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
120 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
130 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
140 85 85 02 00 00 00 00 00 00 33 32 30 30 20 43 31
150 36 20 53 65 72 69 65 73 00 00 00 00 00 01 80 CE
160 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
170 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
180 0C 4A 01 20 00 00 00 00 00 A3 00 00 05 F4 07 00
190 00 50 56 56 10 B4 40 20 08 00 05 70 03 00 B0 1E
1A0 2D 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 FB F6 00 00 00 00 00
1B0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1C0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1D0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1E0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1F0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00

Spoiler: Aida64 Spd

Proprietà modulo di memoria:
Nome modulo [ TRIAL VERSION ]
Numero di serie Nessuno
Capacità modulo 8 GB (2 ranks, 16 banks)
Tipo modulo [ TRIAL VERSION ]
Tipo memoria DDR4 SDRAM
Velocità (XMP) DDR4-3200 (1600 MHz)
Velocità DDR4-2133 (1066 MHz)
Ampiezza bus 64 bit
Tensione (XMP) 1.35 V
Tensione 1.2 V
Metodo rilevamento errore Nessuno
Produttore DRAM Samsung
DRAM Stepping 00h
SDRAM Die Count 1

Timing della memoria:
@ 1600 MHz (XMP) 17-18-18-36 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS)
@ 1600 MHz (XMP) 16-18-18-36 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS)
@ 1500 MHz (XMP) 15-17-17-34 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS)
@ 1400 MHz (XMP) 14-16-16-32 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS)
@ 1300 MHz (XMP) 13-14-14-30 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS)
@ 1200 MHz (XMP) 12-13-13-27 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS)
@ 1100 MHz (XMP) 11-12-12-25 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS)
@ 900 MHz (XMP) 9-10-10-21 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS)
@ 1066 MHz 19-15-15-36 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS) / 50-278-171-118-6-4-6-23 (RC-RFC1-RFC2-RFC4-RRDL-RRDS-CCDL-FAW)
@ 1066 MHz 18-15-15-36 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS) / 50-278-171-118-6-4-6-23 (RC-RFC1-RFC2-RFC4-RRDL-RRDS-CCDL-FAW)
@ 1066 MHz 16-15-15-36 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS) / 50-278-171-118-6-4-6-23 (RC-RFC1-RFC2-RFC4-RRDL-RRDS-CCDL-FAW)
@ 1066 MHz 15-15-15-36 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS) / 50-278-171-118-6-4-6-23 (RC-RFC1-RFC2-RFC4-RRDL-RRDS-CCDL-FAW)
@ 1037 MHz 14-14-14-35 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS) / 49-270-166-115-6-4-6-22 (RC-RFC1-RFC2-RFC4-RRDL-RRDS-CCDL-FAW)
@ 962 MHz 13-13-13-32 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS) / 45-251-155-106-6-4-6-21 (RC-RFC1-RFC2-RFC4-RRDL-RRDS-CCDL-FAW)
@ 888 MHz 12-12-12-30 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS) / 42-232-143-98-5-4-5-19 (RC-RFC1-RFC2-RFC4-RRDL-RRDS-CCDL-FAW)
@ 814 MHz 11-11-11-27 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS) / 38-212-131-90-5-4-5-18 (RC-RFC1-RFC2-RFC4-RRDL-RRDS-CCDL-FAW)
@ 666 MHz 9-9-9-22 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS) / 31-174-107-74-4-3-4-14 (RC-RFC1-RFC2-RFC4-RRDL-RRDS-CCDL-FAW)

Extreme Memory Profile v2.0:
Nome profilo Enthusiast (Certified)
Velocità DDR4-3200 (1600 MHz)
Tensione 1.35 V
DiMM per canale raccomandate 1
@ 1600 MHz 17-18-18-36 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS) / 64-416-256-176-9-6-36 (RC-RFC1-RFC2-RFC4-RRDL-RRDS-FAW)
@ 1600 MHz 16-18-18-36 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS) / 64-416-256-176-9-6-36 (RC-RFC1-RFC2-RFC4-RRDL-RRDS-FAW)
@ 1500 MHz 15-17-17-34 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS) / 60-390-240-165-9-6-33 (RC-RFC1-RFC2-RFC4-RRDL-RRDS-FAW)
@ 1400 MHz 14-16-16-32 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS) / 56-364-224-154-8-6-31 (RC-RFC1-RFC2-RFC4-RRDL-RRDS-FAW)
@ 1300 MHz 13-14-14-30 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS) / 52-338-208-143-8-5-29 (RC-RFC1-RFC2-RFC4-RRDL-RRDS-FAW)
@ 1200 MHz 12-13-13-27 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS) / 48-312-192-132-7-5-27 (RC-RFC1-RFC2-RFC4-RRDL-RRDS-FAW)
@ 1100 MHz 11-12-12-25 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS) / 44-286-176-121-7-5-25 (RC-RFC1-RFC2-RFC4-RRDL-RRDS-FAW)
@ 900 MHz 9-10-10-21 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS) / 36-234-144-99-6-4-20 (RC-RFC1-RFC2-RFC4-RRDL-RRDS-FAW)

Caratteristiche modulo di memoria:
Monolithic DRAM Device Sì
Thermal Sensor Assente

Produttore:
Nome società Patriot Memory
Informazioni sul prodotto https://patriotmemory.com/product-category/computer-memory

so far i managed to be almost stable at 3133 very tight timing getting a couple of errors
i cant find any combination from Ryzen calculator, the one that get close enought is the V2 of the Samsung E Die but need a bit of changes to have it stable

Can we try to help each other and try to find out what work best and fix this once and for all??

You can use this place to save you pictures
Samsung E-Die

 

[Deadly NightShade]

@biffzinker
@Aureliano

I tried to configure setting as you suggested.
as a result,I confirmed some issues about my CPU and MB.

1.It can't POST except ProcODT=68.6ohm and RTT_PARK=240ohm.

2.It causes BSOD in OS when DRAM voltage is 1.38V or higher.

3.POST failed when SoC Voltage is 1.05V.

4.If OS boot succeed, a lot of errors always detected by testmem5.
(not relate to DRAM and SoC Voltage.)

I think that these issues are caused by IMC and MB's limit.

Thanks for the advice.

@xorbe
No problem.thanks.

 

[biffzinker]

It causes BSOD in OS when DRAM voltage is 1.38V or higher.

Sometimes less voltage is better for stability. These Hynix sticks from PNY I'm using respond to less voltage.

 

[Deadly NightShade]

@biffzinker
I tried to configure DRAM Voltage as 1.29V and between 1.35V-1.40V.(interval = 0.01V)

If I have possibility that stable the setting(3466-16-19-19-19-36),
I should try to configure DRAM voltage between 1.30V-1.34V...I'm right?

Please tell me your DRAM voltage setting If I can...