The costs of Intel gaming vs AMD gaming, who wins? Actually Intel this round, cheaper and faster.

[Ruru]

I had a 7700K @ 5.1 last year and there's not a smallest chance I'd go back for that instead using my current R5 2600 @ 4.1.

 

[cucker tarlson]

4c/8t on a gaming rig instead of 8c/16t in 2019?

7700k at 5.2ghz will trounce a 3700x in most games except for odyssey maybe

 

[Ruru]

7700k will trounce a 3700x in most games except for odyssey maybe

Even 9900K isn't that much better

AMD Ryzen 7 3700X Review

AMD's $330 Ryzen 7 3700X is an 8-core, 16-thread CPU that's clocked high enough to compete with Intel's offerings. Actually, its application performance matches even the more expensive Intel Core i9-9900K. Gaming performance has been increased significantly, too, thanks to the improved...

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[cucker tarlson]

Even 9900K isn't that much better

AMD Ryzen 7 3700X Review

AMD's $330 Ryzen 7 3700X is an 8-core, 16-thread CPU that's clocked high enough to compete with Intel's offerings. Actually, its application performance matches even the more expensive Intel Core i9-9900K. Gaming performance has been increased significantly, too, thanks to the improved...

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this is totally different scenario tested.This is actually a good explenation by Vayra

3700X vs 9900K, that is the question...

It is. Other tests show consistent deltas between two sets of two processors. Yours show consistent deltas between two processors, but wildly different deltas for two other processors, of the same set of four. This is an anomaly. thinking that just because a 720p test shows XX% difference...

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tpu runs normal gpu tests,but at 720p,it's the average fps. of a cpu's maxium
in game testing may reveal something completely and utterly different as you find yourself in cpu heavy locations

 

[AsRock]

I would like to be directed to a 9700 non k review with game benchmarks, because I couldn't find any. How do you know the 9700 is that much faster than a 3700X?
The non K has much lower base clock than its unlocked sibling and 200MHz lower boost clock.
Also, according to TPU, 9700K is 5% faster than 3700X at 1080p...

Ok it's 5% faster, but by time have a AV, software firewall Hard drive Sentinel + a bunch other other apps like steam keyboard mouse apps. would i still get that 5%.

Sorry a much as i love Wizards reviews or some others most of the time their done with a clean system with just whats required.

I like to know as some time i run a dedi server as well play some games would buying AMD chip be better than intel ?. I often do this as i do not want to be running 3 PC's to play a game.

 

[advanced3]

Performance wise for me they're similar in game at my resolution and refresh. My issue is voltages and temperatures at idle and load currently and general stability at times. When the CPU is 84c and air coming across my radiator and the radiator itself is still cool.....

 

[Ruru]

this is totally different scenario tested.This is actually a good explenation by Vayra

3700X vs 9900K, that is the question...

It is. Other tests show consistent deltas between two sets of two processors. Yours show consistent deltas between two processors, but wildly different deltas for two other processors, of the same set of four. This is an anomaly. thinking that just because a 720p test shows XX% difference...

www.techpowerup.com

tpu runs normal gpu tests,but at 720p,it's the average fps. of a cpu's maxium
in game testing may reveal something completely and utterly different as you find yourself in cpu heavy locations

720p in 2019, yeah...

And I can bet that people wouldn't know are they gaming with an AMD or Intel CPU if there wouldn't be framerate shown and they wouldn't know the specs.

Well, at least I'll go for AMD and use that saved money for other components.

 

[advanced3]

720p testing puts all the load on the CPU......That's the point.

 

[Ruru]

720p testing puts all the load on the CPU......That's the point.

Exactly, but who actually gives a crap, since nobody buys these for 720p gaming.

 

[64K]

Exactly, but who actually gives a crap, since nobody buys these for 720p gaming.

That's not the intention of the test. The intention is to measure the performance potential of the CPU and not the GPU.

It's not a GPU test.

Once a person knows whether or not their CPU can send enough draw calls at 720p for the desired FPS then they know whether or not their CPU can deliver enough for any resolution 720p/ 1080p/ 1440p/ 4K (they are mostly the same) and then they can look at potential GPUs to get the FPS desired.

 

[Ruru]

That's not the intention of the test. The intention is to measure the performance potential of the CPU and not the GPU.

It's not a GPU test.

Once a person knows whether or not their CPU can send enough draw calls at 720p for the desired FPS then they know whether or not their CPU can deliver enough for any resolution 720p/ 1080p/ 1440p/ 4K (they are mostly the same) and then they can look at potential GPUs to get the FPS desired.

I'm not that stupid.

My point is who cares about 720p tests? I have a feeling that users who buy these, they'll use these in real-life scenarios, not something what you can almost call as a synthetic benchmark.

Testing these with 720p is nothing else than cherry-picking.

 

[cucker tarlson]

I'm not that stupid.

My point is who cares about 720p tests? I have a feeling that users who buy these, they'll use these in real-life scenarios, not something what you can almost call as a synthetic benchmark.

yeah,the avg. of a 720p benchmark run is not really representative of much.
it's not like a gpu nor like cpu bound scenario you'll see in games.

it's like what your gpu can do if not restrained by taxing resolution but not really like what your cpu would be able to handle in a cpu heavy location.

when I run odyssey bench at 720p I still get 75 fps avg stock 2070s and 79 fps oc'd 2070s.Once I'm in game in a cpu heavy location I may stop at 57 or 60 fps and dropping resolution down from 1440p to 1080p sees no difference,hardly a single fps.

 

[Dinnercore]

That's not the intention of the test. The intention is to measure the performance potential of the CPU and not the GPU.

It's not a GPU test.

Once a person knows whether or not their CPU can send enough draw calls at 720p for the desired FPS then they know whether or not their CPU can deliver enough for any resolution 720p/ 1080p/ 1440p/ 4K (they are mostly the same) and then they can look at potential GPUs to get the FPS desired.

And the problem is that many people don´t understand how to read those test results, or apply them to their specific use-case.

I got a few people around me that still tell me things like this: 'I don´t have much money so I NEED to buy an intel CPU with my 1060, because with AMD I will have even 5% less fps if I go with AMD and dont get the full value of my 1060!'
I can try to explain all I want that this is not how it works and that they won´t run into much of a CPU bottleneck at 1440p with a 1060 but they don´t listen or maybe lack the capability of understanding these coherences.
It seems to be burned into many minds that AMD = bad / stutter, Intel = a must have, no matter the cost. I have given up to try and teach some of my friends, I just let them be happy with whatever they choose.

 

[Sybaris_Caesar]

BTW @advanced3's mouse pointer disappearance is kinda Nvidia driver issue it seems : https://www.techpowerup.com/257708/...431-68-driver-to-address-broken-mouse-pointer

 

[advanced3]

Its not after exiting a game, it can be something as simple as browsing the web. The BIOS update seems to have straightened it out. I haven't changed drivers yet, I'm on 431.36 still.

 

[silkstone]

I have a i7 8700k on my gaming rig and I just purchased a R5 3600 for a server/HTPC build. The 3600 was A LOT cheaper and just as suitable for the purpose I'm putting it to.
$200 CPU + $50 mobo compared with $350 CPU and $170 mobo.

 

[Space Lynx]

well

I have a i7 8700k on my gaming rig and I just purchased a R5 3600 for a server/HTPC build. The 3600 was A LOT cheaper and just as suitable for the purpose I'm putting it to.
$200 CPU + $50 mobo compared with $350 CPU and $170 mobo.

as long as you don't play destiny 2 yeah AMD is a good deal. destiny 2 still doesn't work with ryzen 3000 chips. and AMD still doesn't have a stable BIOS fix for it yet. they thought they had it fixed, but they pulled it. motherboard manufacturers are still waiting for a new BIOS for destiny 2 fix. nothing Bungie can do on their end. /shrug

 

[biffzinker]

It seems to be burned into many minds that AMD = bad / stutter, Intel = a must have, no matter the cost. I have given up to try and teach some of my friends, I just let them be happy with whatever they choose.

Same with friends and some family, they seem to think there isn't any alternative on the market for a smartphone besides the iPhone.

 

[cucker tarlson]

Same with friends and some family, they seem to think there isn't any alternative on the market for a smartphone besides the iPhone.

I laugh at all my friends who buy older iphone models while those new chinese phones that I have myself just crush them in value,a lot cheaper and a lot better.

 

[Space Lynx]

I laught at all my friends who buy older iphone models while those new chinese phones that I have myself just crush them in value,a lot cheaper and a lot better.

Yep, I hear you there. I got a Samsung Galaxy A50 recently when I was in Ireland for around 210 Euro's. It literally competes with flagships (oh sorry, it doesn't have the latest Snapdragon... who gives a crap?) the screen is gorgeous OLED, and after calibrated looks better than my Dad's Samsung Note 9, which doesn't make sense since it is also OLED and Samsung's top offering. The A50 also has an excellent camera on it, well three of them actually and a depth of field sensor, and face unlock, and in-glass fingerprint reader... all for 210 Euro... and 4000 mah battery... same as Note 9... lol

Hoping it lasts me a good 3-5 years or so. Enjoy your 1 grand phones folks, lol.

 

[biffzinker]

Enjoy your 1 grand phones folks, lol.

Hey now, don't make fun of my Note9.

 

[Frick]

I laught at all my friends who buy older iphone models while those new chinese phones that I have myself just crush them in value,a lot cheaper and a lot better.

You are a good friend.

 

[cucker tarlson]

You are a good friend.

I'm okay with paying premium for better,but what do people see in buying those old iFarts I have no idea.

 

[1d10t]

Didn't we already had that kind of thing ,use for gaming only and it's cheaper?Not from AMD or Intel though, but it's still 1080p
And these "gaming only machine", are you not gonna browse with it? Updating or patching a game while playing on it? Share it, stream it?
PC is only winning in keyboard and mouse support, in these regard.

 

[cucker tarlson]

Didn't we already had that kind of thing ,use for gaming only and it's cheaper?Not from AMD or Intel though, but it's still 1080p
And these "gaming only machine", are you not gonna browse with it? Updating or patching a game while playing on it? Share it, stream it?
PC is only winning in keyboard and mouse support, in these regard.

the added value of a PC is that it's a PC.
plus take a look at yt videos comparing a pc vs console at the same price,pc wins every time.ps4 will struggle to keep new games running at 900p with medium quality.