1GB Internet Very Inconsistent

[TheLostSwede]

To get a true test .. you have to shut down all other devices on your network.

But frankly, I just noticed that my 200 Mbs service cost has doubled .... and in the 2years we have had it, it's not like it has changesd our lives in any way. Unless offered a significant discount ... we will be dropping back to basic level Mbps service. Not bringing anything to the table except bragging rights.

That's insane. I keep getting cheaper and cheaper service from my ISP, as a loyal customer. I really don't get the US and the crazy costs of internet access. Hotel WiFi is barely usable and often not free, airport WiFi isn't free, etc. It really sucks. Last time I was in the US, it was cheaper for me to turn on roaming on my phone, than to use the hotel WiFi, wtf?!

 

[eidairaman1]

That's a long held myth that just isn't really true.



Like I told you before, the problem is not your internet it is the speedtest you're using. Speedtest.net is not a reliable speedtest for extremely fast internet connections. Fast.com gives more reliable results when you have a connection over 500Gbps, but even then it needs some tweaking, and it too struggles sometimes. You have to wait for the first test to finish, then go in an tweak the settings to have a minimum of 15 connections and a max of 30. Increasing the minimum test duration helps too.

But you have to realize that these speedtests are shared, multiple people are using the servers at the same time. They aren't built to test 1Gbps connection, heck most probably only have a 1Gbps connection. This is why you are getting inconsistent results. Even most webservers only have a 1Gbps connection, so again you're not going to be able to max your connection out downloading from one site either, because you're sharing that website's 1Gbps connection with everyone else downloading.

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Speedtest.net is server location dependent, some servers have a higher comm bandwidth than others. So say if you are at 6Mbps and their server is say 100Mbps, you would see 6Mbps because the server has to drop its connection speed to communicate with yours at that moment in time.

There is multiplexing too

Wifi is never guaranteed on speed.

 

[Makaveli]

That's insane. I keep getting cheaper and cheaper service from my ISP, as a loyal customer. I really don't get the US and the crazy costs of internet access. Hotel WiFi is barely usable and often not free, airport WiFi isn't free, etc. It really sucks. Last time I was in the US, it was cheaper for me to turn on roaming on my phone, than to use the hotel WiFi, wtf?!

Internet is the US is kinda a joke these days to be honest. Google tried and even with all their money couldn't do anything to fix the issues. Too much lobbying from cable companies and too many Government lackeys equal total monopoly.

Unless you happen to live in chattanooga, or google's or AT&T fiber footprint rest of the country it stuck with Cable and DSL and sat.

Meet the World's Fastest Internet

Our Fi-Speed Internet meets the demands of the Device Age and explores unlimited possibilities with the area’s only 100% fiber optic network.

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Speedtest.net is server location dependent, some servers have a higher comm bandwidth than others. So say if you are at 6Mbps and their server is say 100Mbps, you would see 6Mbps because the server has to drop its connection speed to communicate with yours at that moment in time.

There is multiplexing too

Wifi is never guaranteed on speed.

Also wifi is half duplex prior to AX (Wifi 6). So whatever your connection rate is expect half in throughput.

 

[eidairaman1]

Internet is the US is kinda a joke these days to be honest. Google tried and even with all their money couldn't do anything to fix the issues. Too much lobbying from cable companies and too many Government lackeys equal total monopoly.

Unless you happen to live in chattanooga, or google's or AT&T fiber footprint rest of the country it stuck with Cable and DSL and sat.

Meet the World's Fastest Internet

Our Fi-Speed Internet meets the demands of the Device Age and explores unlimited possibilities with the area’s only 100% fiber optic network.

epb.com

Also wifi is half duplex prior to AX (Wifi 6). So whatever your connection rate is expect half in throughput.

MIMO

 

[Makaveli]

MIMO

MIMO prior to AX is still half duplex.

 

[newtekie1]

That's insane. I keep getting cheaper and cheaper service from my ISP, as a loyal customer. I really don't get the US and the crazy costs of internet access. Hotel WiFi is barely usable and often not free, airport WiFi isn't free, etc. It really sucks. Last time I was in the US, it was cheaper for me to turn on roaming on my phone, than to use the hotel WiFi, wtf?!

Someone could probably write a book on this subject.

But I think the biggest factors are lack of competition and regulations.

To give you an idea of the lack of competition, I only have 2 ISPs in my area. One is Comcast Cable and the other is Frontier DSL. Comcast provides up to 1Gbps(and a bunch of slower plans down to 25Mbps), but it isn't cheap. Frontier...well the faster you can get from them is 18Mbps! So, basically Comcast has no competition if you want a fast connection.

Unless you happen to live in chattanooga, or google's or AT&T fiber footprint rest of the country it stuck with Cable and DSL and sat.

Even if you are in AT&T's fiber area, they still do stupid crap like offer 6 Down 1 Up "fiber" connections.

Also wifi is half duplex prior to AX (Wifi 6). So whatever your connection rate is expect half in throughput.

That's now how half duplex connections work. And now how wifi works either.

 

[Makaveli]

That's not how half duplex connections work. And not how wifi works either.

So when you make a connection to your router with any modern smartphone at 867mbps.

Then do a file transfer and only achieve half that actual number is not how it works?

also

Is wireless half-duplex or full-duplex?

Hi guys, Hope you can help me, I have just been asked a question at the interview if wirelesses operates at half or full duplex and honestly I don't know if my answer was correct. Can someone tell me which one is correct and what's more important,why ? Many thanks Gabby

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[HUSKIE]

Buy an solid copper like cat6,cat6A ethernet cable not cat5e patch cable. Those are obsolete these days.
Cat5e uses standard wires not like cat6 solid copper ones.

 

[eidairaman1]

Buy an solid copper like cat6,cat6A ethernet cable not cat5e patch cable. Those are obsolete these days.
Cat5e uses standard wires not like cat6 solid copper ones.

Erm cat 5e can be braided or single copper conductor.

Difference between cat5e and cat 6 is the amount of twists per inch in the green/brown pairs.

Newtekie, not everyone needs a 25+Mbps profile, price is is the reason, also Fiber for Telco applications is FTTN or FTTP, FTTN is fiber from the Central Office (exchange/ISP) to a VRAD/DSLAM-RT which then converts from a light pulse to a sound pulse for VDSL/2+ or ADSL2 for transceiving over copper pair of cat 3 voice grade copper in the street cabinet and buffied/aerial plant. FTTP is fiber all the way to the home which uses a B/G PON. The most expensive connection is FTTD.

ATT is gradually converting all neighborhoods to FTTP from FTTN due to reduction in reliability problems associated with copper pairs (shorts, opens, corrosion, attenuation, bridge taps, foreign voltage).

MIMO prior to AX is still half duplex.

Yes I know that mimo is 108mbps total but it is 54 up and down

 

[HUSKIE]

Erm cat 5e can be braided or single copper conductor. -- yeah we don't do make cat5e anymore.. lol

Difference between cat5e and cat 6 is the amount of twists per inch in the green/brown pairs.

Those pairs from blue/orange/green and brown are different sizes of twists and different outer diameter during on insulation process to cover the bare copper .54mm copper . I work at cable company mainly data cables like cat6/cat6A/cat7 etc etc. If per inch you have lost of data. You mean per mm not inch. Also different between cat5e hasn't crossfiller just twisted pairs and cat6, cat6 has crossfiller between pairs to avoid data lost back and forth.

White blue/blue- 8.5mm lay Length
White orange/orange- 13.0mm lay length
White green/green- 10.0mm lay length
White brown/Brown- 14.9mm lay length

And it has Rip cord on with pairs whilst on sheathing line for finishing... all pairs laid up together.

Inches twists you saying might be made in China.

 

[shovenose]

I just upgraded to 1Gbps down/35M up Comcast service. Is it true that since I'm renting their modem now vs using mine the data is unlimited? Their website doesn't say that. I've used over 10TB this month, according to the website I've used up 1 of 2 courtesy months since I used more than 1TB.

 

[Frick]

That's insane. I keep getting cheaper and cheaper service from my ISP, as a loyal customer. I really don't get the US and the crazy costs of internet access. Hotel WiFi is barely usable and often not free, airport WiFi isn't free, etc. It really sucks. Last time I was in the US, it was cheaper for me to turn on roaming on my phone, than to use the hotel WiFi, wtf?!

You must live in a very special place indeed to get rewarded for being a loyal customer. The only way to get good prices for anything in Sweden is to cancel the sub the second you're allowed to and in the same call resub for that 50% or so discount.

I just upgraded to 1Gbps down/35M up Comcast service. Is it true that since I'm renting their modem now vs using mine the data is unlimited? Their website doesn't say that. I've used over 10TB this month, according to the website I've used up 1 of 2 courtesy months since I used more than 1TB.

So much in this sentence is just so wrong and so sad. WHY DO THEY EVEN LET YOU HAVE THAT KIND OF SPEEDS IF YOU'RE NOT MEANT TO USE IT?

 

[shovenose]

So much in this sentence is just so wrong and so sad. WHY DO THEY EVEN LET YOU HAVE THAT KIND OF SPEEDS IF YOU'RE NOT MEANT TO USE IT?

What on earth are you talking about?? I definitely do use it!

 

[Frick]

What on earth are you talking about?? I definitely do use it!

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You also spoke about "courtesy months" and being capped when using your own equipment, which is sad.

 

[shovenose]

You also spoke about "courtesy months" and being capped when using your own equipment, which is sad.

Oooooh I thought you were saying I was saying something stupid. Nevermind, now I get it, we're both in the same boat in that we think it's dumb they don't give unlimited bandwidth by default... this service isn't cheap!

I'm pretty sure the statement someone made earlier in this thread (that if you pay the modem rental fee and use their modem they give you unlimited bandwidth) is incorrect, but I'd like verification.

My friend is giving me a DOCSIS 3.1-capable modem next week (I intended to return the Comcast one at that point) but if I'm wrong and if you really get unlimited bandwidth with the rented modem I'd rather pay the $13/month for the modem than the $50/month for unlimited data. After all, this modem is surprisingly good.

 

[TheLostSwede]

You must live in a very special place indeed to get rewarded for being a loyal customer. The only way to get good prices for anything in Sweden is to cancel the sub the second you're allowed to and in the same call resub for that 50% or so discount.

So much in this sentence is just so wrong and so sad. WHY DO THEY EVEN LET YOU HAVE THAT KIND OF SPEEDS IF YOU'RE NOT MEANT TO USE IT?

Well, at least internet access is still affordable and widely available at high speeds in Sweden compared to the US...
Also, just like here, there are afaik, no data caps or other silly things like that.
My parents have a 250/100Mbps connection included in their rent.

This is actually the second time that my ISP has given us a discount for being a long term customer with them and they've upgraded the speed I've gotten as part of the same priced package twice as well. I still wish I could get a bit faster upload speed, as 30Mbps feels slow at times.
I now pay around US$25 a month for 200/30Mbps, which is acceptable.

Amazingly, there's at least two larger, developed countries that are worse than the US, them being Germany and Australia. Germany was way ahead with ISDN back in the days, but apparently suck these days, as they stopped at ADSL for most of the country and called it a day. In Australia, the whole backbone of their internet is broken and getting anything decent is really expensive. At least hotel WiFi is free...
If you want super cheap internet, try India. It might sound insane, but they have fast and cheap internet as well as mobile plans (well, they might not always be fast or even work that well, but they cost next to nothing).

 

[Durvelle27]

They will install one if you complain enough. You could also have a direct cable running from the box on the outside of the house to the modem, no spices if possible and definitely not splitters.




If you turn DHCP off on the TP-Link and plug the cable into one of the LAN ports, you shouldn't see any affect on speed. But if you are running a cable anyway, I suggest running CAT6. Not that it will make a difference, but if you're doing the work to run the cable, might as well do it right.

Ive complained for 2.5 Weeks

And I can’t havw a direct line as I also have TV service along side the internet

I planned to do Cat5e because I have about 2000FT of cable

I just upgraded to 1Gbps down/35M up Comcast service. Is it true that since I'm renting their modem now vs using mine the data is unlimited? Their website doesn't say that. I've used over 10TB this month, according to the website I've used up 1 of 2 courtesy months since I used more than 1TB.

To qualify for the unlimited service: You have to rent Comcast modem for $15 and you have to subscribe to their XFi advantage service (it’s free) and than you’d get unlimited

I’ve been a customer with Comcast for awhile as well and I pay less now for

TV, Security, and 1000Mbps internet than I did before with just internet and my own modem.

I pay $189 now before I paid $170 due to overages

 

[newtekie1]

So when you make a connection to your router with any modern smartphone at 867mbps.

Then do a file transfer and only achieve half that actual number is not how it works?

also

Is wireless half-duplex or full-duplex?

Hi guys, Hope you can help me, I have just been asked a question at the interview if wirelesses operates at half or full duplex and honestly I don't know if my answer was correct. Can someone tell me which one is correct and what's more important,why ? Many thanks Gabby

community.cisco.com

I never said Wifi wasn't half-duplex. But that is not how half duplex connections work. They can only transmit in one direction at a time, but they can transmit in that one direction at full speed.

So if you have a 1Gbps half-duplex wired connection, you can still transfer a file from one computer to another at 1Gbps. However, if you start transferring in both directions at the same time, then both file transfers will happen at 0.5Gbps.

Wifi on the other hand is a completely different beast. Yes, it is half-duplex, but that's only part of what determines how fast you can transfer data.

When you connect with your smartphone to a Wireless network and it says it's connected at 867Mbps, that is just the rated maximum speed of the 802.11ac 2x2 connection. But in the background the wireless is doing lots of things to make sure you actually stay connected and don't drop a bunch of packets due to interference. The first thing it does is lower the actual connection speed.

Here is my laptop as an example:


This is on a 2x2 Wireless-AC card, and it's clearly getting faster than half of the rated speed. It isn't getting the full speed, because of interference. The wifi auto-negotiates in the background to lower speeds to give as stable of a connection as possible.

Newtekie, not everyone needs a 25+Mbps profile, price is is the reason, also Fiber for Telco applications is FTTN or FTTP, FTTN is fiber from the Central Office (exchange/ISP) to a VRAD/DSLAM-RT which then converts from a light pulse to a sound pulse for VDSL/2+ or ADSL2 for transceiving over copper pair of cat 3 voice grade copper in the street cabinet and buffied/aerial plant. FTTP is fiber all the way to the home which uses a B/G PON. The most expensive connection is FTTD.

ATT is gradually converting all neighborhoods to FTTP from FTTN due to reduction in reliability problems associated with copper pairs (shorts, opens, corrosion, attenuation, bridge taps, foreign voltage).

You aren't telling me anything I don't already know. I've used AT&T's FTTP. They offer great packages on their FTTP such as 6 Down / 1 Up, or 10 Down and 1.5 Up. Just because it's fiber doesn't mean it isn't still AT&T and they won't offer crap speeds and it doesn't mean it will be symmetrical either.

And, no Frontier isn't about cost. It's about their outdated DSL tech not being able to do anything better. Leaving Comcast to do and charge whatever they want. And even when there is some competition, in the areas with AT&T fiber, the packages are priced surprisingly similar and neither seems to ever bother to try to undercut the other. Kind of like gas stations...

I just upgraded to 1Gbps down/35M up Comcast service. Is it true that since I'm renting their modem now vs using mine the data is unlimited? Their website doesn't say that. I've used over 10TB this month, according to the website I've used up 1 of 2 courtesy months since I used more than 1TB.

wifi

Xfinity WiFi by Comcast offers internet on-the-go service at millions of hotspots. Find the fastest Xfinity WiFi hotspot near you!

www.xfinity.com

Yes, you should be getting unlimited data. They hide it, but on that page, towards the bottom, it says you get unlimited data. It looks like you aren't getting it, so I'd call them and sort it out to make sure your account was upgraded to the xFi modem rental.

If you had unlimited, it wouldn't mention anything about courtesy months, it would say something about unlimited data there instead.

ve complained for 2.5 Weeks

And I can’t havw a direct line as I also have TV service along side the internet

Ok, whoever they sent out to install the service didn't know what they were doing then, or were lazy.

You should have a direct line run from the box on the outside of your home for each device. The Comcast installer will run these lines for you, and it should be free. So, for example, I've got 2 TVs and the cable modem. So I have 3 lines running from the outside box into my home. With the 1Gbps service, you can't have any splitters before the modem, it has to be directly connected to the outside box. Otherwise the signal is too weak, and the connection will drop out. You can get away with a splitter on the TV lines, but you definitely need a direct cable running to the modem.

Call them, complain, and tell them you want a line tech sent out to check the lines. A line tech will probably run a direct line to the modem.

I planned to do Cat5e because I have about 2000FT of cable

If you've already got the cable, go for it. It will still do 1Gbps without a problem.

 

[eidairaman1]

Those pairs from blue/orange/green and brown are different sizes of twists and different outer diameter during on insulation process to cover the bare copper .54mm copper . I work at cable company mainly data cables like cat6/cat6A/cat7 etc etc. If per inch you have lost of data. You mean per mm not inch. Also different between cat5e hasn't crossfiller just twisted pairs and cat6, cat6 has crossfiller between pairs to avoid data lost back and forth.

White blue/blue- 8.5mm lay Length
White orange/orange- 13.0mm lay length
White green/green- 10.0mm lay length
White brown/Brown- 14.9mm lay length

And it has Rip cord on with pairs whilst on sheathing line for finishing... all pairs laid up together.

Inches twists you saying might be made in China.

Pardon I live in the USA is why. I was also thinking on how FAA regs are for safety wire twists.

 

[shovenose]

I never said Wifi wasn't half-duplex. But that is not how half duplex connections work. They can only transmit in one direction at a time, but they can transmit in that one direction at full speed.

So if you have a 1Gbps half-duplex wired connection, you can still transfer a file from one computer to another at 1Gbps. However, if you start transferring in both directions at the same time, then both file transfers will happen at 0.5Gbps.

Wifi on the other hand is a completely different beast. Yes, it is half-duplex, but that's only part of what determines how fast you can transfer data.

When you connect with your smartphone to a Wireless network and it says it's connected at 867Mbps, that is just the rated maximum speed of the 802.11ac 2x2 connection. But in the background the wireless is doing lots of things to make sure you actually stay connected and don't drop a bunch of packets due to interference. The first thing it does is lower the actual connection speed.

Here is my laptop as an example:
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This is on a 2x2 Wireless-AC card, and it's clearly getting faster than half of the rated speed. It isn't getting the full speed, because of interference. The wifi auto-negotiates in the background to lower speeds to give as stable of a connection as possible.



You aren't telling me anything I don't already know. I've used AT&T's FTTP. They offer great packages on their FTTP such as 6 Down / 1 Up, or 10 Down and 1.5 Up. Just because it's fiber doesn't mean it isn't still AT&T and they won't offer crap speeds and it doesn't mean it will be symmetrical either.

And, no Frontier isn't about cost. It's about their outdated DSL tech not being able to do anything better. Leaving Comcast to do and charge whatever they want. And even when there is some competition, in the areas with AT&T fiber, the packages are priced surprisingly similar and neither seems to ever bother to try to undercut the other. Kind of like gas stations...

wifi

Xfinity WiFi by Comcast offers internet on-the-go service at millions of hotspots. Find the fastest Xfinity WiFi hotspot near you!

www.xfinity.com

Yes, you should be getting unlimited data. They hide it, but on that page, towards the bottom, it says you get unlimited data. It looks like you aren't getting it, so I'd call them and sort it out to make sure your account was upgraded to the xFi modem rental.

If you had unlimited, it wouldn't mention anything about courtesy months, it would say something about unlimited data there instead.



Ok, whoever they sent out to install the service didn't know what they were doing then, or were lazy.

You should have a direct line run from the box on the outside of your home for each device. The Comcast installer will run these lines for you, and it should be free. So, for example, I've got 2 TVs and the cable modem. So I have 3 lines running from the outside box into my home. With the 1Gbps service, you can't have any splitters before the modem, it has to be directly connected to the outside box. Otherwise the signal is too weak, and the connection will drop out. You can get away with a splitter on the TV lines, but you definitely need a direct cable running to the modem.

Call them, complain, and tell them you want a line tech sent out to check the lines. A line tech will probably run a direct line to the modem.



If you've already got the cable, go for it. It will still do 1Gbps without a problem.

On that page it says "unlimited data is available for extra $$$" I'm not sure where you are seeing that.

 

[newtekie1]

On that page it says "unlimited data is available for extra $$$" I'm not sure where you are seeing that.

It is available to all customers at an additional cost, but it is free if you have xFi, it is part of the xFi Package. And xFi is free if you pay the $15 to rent their modem.

 

[Durvelle27]

I never said Wifi wasn't half-duplex. But that is not how half duplex connections work. They can only transmit in one direction at a time, but they can transmit in that one direction at full speed.

So if you have a 1Gbps half-duplex wired connection, you can still transfer a file from one computer to another at 1Gbps. However, if you start transferring in both directions at the same time, then both file transfers will happen at 0.5Gbps.

Wifi on the other hand is a completely different beast. Yes, it is half-duplex, but that's only part of what determines how fast you can transfer data.

When you connect with your smartphone to a Wireless network and it says it's connected at 867Mbps, that is just the rated maximum speed of the 802.11ac 2x2 connection. But in the background the wireless is doing lots of things to make sure you actually stay connected and don't drop a bunch of packets due to interference. The first thing it does is lower the actual connection speed.

Here is my laptop as an example:
View attachment 128067

This is on a 2x2 Wireless-AC card, and it's clearly getting faster than half of the rated speed. It isn't getting the full speed, because of interference. The wifi auto-negotiates in the background to lower speeds to give as stable of a connection as possible.



You aren't telling me anything I don't already know. I've used AT&T's FTTP. They offer great packages on their FTTP such as 6 Down / 1 Up, or 10 Down and 1.5 Up. Just because it's fiber doesn't mean it isn't still AT&T and they won't offer crap speeds and it doesn't mean it will be symmetrical either.

And, no Frontier isn't about cost. It's about their outdated DSL tech not being able to do anything better. Leaving Comcast to do and charge whatever they want. And even when there is some competition, in the areas with AT&T fiber, the packages are priced surprisingly similar and neither seems to ever bother to try to undercut the other. Kind of like gas stations...

wifi

Xfinity WiFi by Comcast offers internet on-the-go service at millions of hotspots. Find the fastest Xfinity WiFi hotspot near you!

www.xfinity.com

Yes, you should be getting unlimited data. They hide it, but on that page, towards the bottom, it says you get unlimited data. It looks like you aren't getting it, so I'd call them and sort it out to make sure your account was upgraded to the xFi modem rental.

If you had unlimited, it wouldn't mention anything about courtesy months, it would say something about unlimited data there instead.



Ok, whoever they sent out to install the service didn't know what they were doing then, or were lazy.

You should have a direct line run from the box on the outside of your home for each device. The Comcast installer will run these lines for you, and it should be free. So, for example, I've got 2 TVs and the cable modem. So I have 3 lines running from the outside box into my home. With the 1Gbps service, you can't have any splitters before the modem, it has to be directly connected to the outside box. Otherwise the signal is too weak, and the connection will drop out. You can get away with a splitter on the TV lines, but you definitely need a direct cable running to the modem.

Call them, complain, and tell them you want a line tech sent out to check the lines. A line tech will probably run a direct line to the modem.



If you've already got the cable, go for it. It will still do 1Gbps without a problem.

This is how my lines are ran currently

 

[shovenose]

It is available to all customers at an additional cost, but it is free if you have xFi, it is part of the xFi Package. And xFi is free if you pay the $15 to rent their modem.

So far I've tried live chat and calling them and they have no idea what I'm talking about and keep trying to sell me unlimited data for $50

 

[newtekie1]

So far I've tried live chat and calling them and they have no idea what I'm talking about and keep trying to sell me unlimited data for $50

Don't ask for unlimited, don't even mention it. They are trained that if anyone mentions unlimited to try to sell them the $50 plan. Just call them and tell them you want to sign up for the xfi advantage with the xfi modem.

 

[Durvelle27]

So far I've tried live chat and calling them and they have no idea what I'm talking about and keep trying to sell me unlimited data for $50

All I did was go In the store, asked for a modem and Xfi, and I got unlimited

This is how my lines are ran currently

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I tried my best to give an example