Ryzen 3700x idle temps / Ryzen CPU boost always on ?

[neko77025]

So to me, it seems that my CPU speed is always a 4.22 - 4.24 GHz . this is all auto boost, have not touched anything with OC. This is with the Balanced power plan ... its the same if I pick High performance. However Power saver does drop my CPU speed to 2.2 Ghz.

The idle temps react based on the speed as they should ..

balanced/ High / 4.24 = 45 - 46c

Power Save / 2.2 = 30c

3Dmark reads max load temps at 62c


Does this sound right .. and I assume balanced is just not working right now with this MB / windows update .. Coming from my 4700k .. My idle temps would be like 35ish on high peformance


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System specs
RTX 2080 (MSI Trio X )
Ryzen 7 3700x W/ Noctua NH-D15S / MX-4
Gigabyte X570 Aorus Master (Bios F5i 8/8/2019)
TridentZ 2x16gb 3200 C14 (XMP Working)
XPG SX8200 1TB
Evga g3 750 PSU
Windows 10-64

 

[Xzibit]

Did you install the chipset drivers ? v1.07.29.0115

 

[neko77025]

Did just do that.

So .. that adds A few AMD Ryzen palns ... and well they dont work like I would think.

Windows - High Performance _______4.23/4.25Ghz _____36 - 48c
Windows - Balanced _________________4.16 / 4.21Ghz ___ 37 -44c
Windows -Power Save _______________2.2Ghz____________ 33c

AMD - Power Save __________________ 4.28ghz ___________ 40 - 59c
AMD - High Preformance ____________4.21-4.23 GHz _____ 39 - 50c
AMD Blanced _______________________4.22 ghz ____________36- 44c

( AMD POWER SAVE is giving the highest clock speed .. LOL )

 

[Space Lynx]

I plan to do a manual OC on my 3700x, 4.20 ghz all core no downclock and just leave it at windows high performance. I'm not sure how well it will work out, but I prefer to have stable clocks like that instead of lettings windows fluctuate it all the time.

 

[biffzinker]

I plan to do a manual OC on my 3700x, 4.20 ghz all core no downclock and just leave it at windows high performance. I'm not sure how well it will work out, but I prefer to have stable clocks like that instead of lettings windows fluctuate it all the time.

If you use Ryzen Master to monitor the cores they still clock down/sleep even with the high performance power profile. At least my 3600 still does.

Did just do that.

So .. that adds A few AMD Ryzen palns ... and well they dont work like I would think.

Windows - High Performance _______4.23/4.25Ghz _____36 - 48c
Windows - Balanced _________________4.16 / 4.21Ghz ___ 37 -44c
Windows -Power Save _______________2.2Ghz____________ 33c

AMD - Power Save __________________ 4.28ghz ___________ 40 - 59c
AMD - High Preformance ____________4.21-4.23 GHz _____ 39 - 50c
AMD Blanced _______________________4.22 ghz ____________36- 44c

( AMD POWER SAVE is giving the highest clock speed .. LOL )

The AMD power profiles change how quick the cores respond with the turbo boost, similar to Intel's Speed Shift.

 

[Space Lynx]

hmm, in that case what do you recommend? I really wish AMD did not make it so complicated. So don't use windows power plans, use Ryzen high performance plus don't change anything in BIOS related to CPU? and if my cooling is good enough I should maybe hit all 4.2 when gaming? and then I download ryzen master to monitor everything, not HWINFO like I am used to doing?

@biffzinker

 

[biffzinker]

You should be able to turn off Cool'n'Quiet in the BIOS which would make all cores run at a fixed clock speed but I would leave C-States enabled for C1e.

Zen/Zen+ would disable CoolnQuiet as soon as you switched from Auto to a fixed multiplier. Zen2 doesn't automatically turn off CoolnQuiet.

Ryzen Master shows you the true core state, clockspeed, and voltage. Hopefully HWINFO64 gets updated.

 

[Space Lynx]

You should be able to turn off Cool'n'Quiet in the BIOS which would make all cores run at a fixed clock speed but I would leave C-States enabled for C1e.

Zen/Zen+ would disable CoolnQuiet as soon as you switched from Auto to a fixed multiplier. Zen2 doesn't automatically turn off CoolnQuiet.

Ryzen Master shows you the true core state, clockspeed, and voltage. Hopefully HWINFO64 gets updated.

Much appreciated info. I will make sure to turn that off, I do not care about quiet, in fact I have an airpurifier 99.97% HEPA filter on full blast right now even Navi can't get as loud as it does

 

[TheLostSwede]

You should be able to turn off Cool'n'Quiet in the BIOS which would make all cores run at a fixed clock speed but I would leave C-States enabled for C1e.

Zen/Zen+ would disable CoolnQuiet as soon as you switched from Auto to a fixed multiplier. Zen2 doesn't automatically turn off CoolnQuiet.

Ryzen Master shows you the true core state, clockspeed, and voltage. Hopefully HWINFO64 gets updated.

Coolandwhat? I have no setting for that in my UEFI and I haven't heard about that term since way back when. I don't think AMD is using that any more.

 

[Space Lynx]

Coolandwhat? I have no setting for that in my UEFI and I haven't heard about that term since way back when. I don't think AMD is using that any more.

ah crikey, now I am confused again! lol

 

[HD64G]

AMD balanced is the correct setting for almost any use. AMD high performance is only for benchmark score hunting.

 

[TheLostSwede]

ah crikey, now I am confused again! lol

Just triple checked my UEFI, no such setting.

 

[Space Lynx]

alright I won't worry about it then, I won't mess with BIOS at all except for ram overclocking. and then in windows 10 I will just use ryzen balanced power plan.

 

[Xzibit]

Coolandwhat? I have no setting for that in my UEFI and I haven't heard about that term since way back when. I don't think AMD is using that any more.

Cool'n'quiet, Its still on MSI Bioses. Under CPU Features

 

[TheLostSwede]

alright I won't worry about it then, I won't mess with BIOS at all except for ram overclocking. and then in windows 10 I will just use ryzen balanced power plan.

Well, depending on the UEFI, you might have to set the IF to 1:1 as well, as not all board likes 3600/1800 at 1:1.

 

[Calmmo]

I remember Cool&Quiet, either from my AMD64 system or Phenom II.. can't say I recall what it did exactly.. my guess lowers CPU boost voltage nowdays?

 

[IceShroom]

Coolandwhat? I have no setting for that in my UEFI and I haven't heard about that term since way back when. I don't think AMD is using that any more.

It should under AMD CBS or PBS in UEFI.

 

[biffzinker]

Just triple checked my UEFI, no such setting.

 

[Xzibit]

I remember Cool&Quiet, either from my AMD64 system or Phenom II.. can't say I recall what it did exactly.. my guess lowers CPU boost voltage nowdays?

It allows the CPU to use lower power C-states when idling so it doesnt idle at higher voltages.

I don't think any other vendors include it, just MSI.

 

[Valantar]

I plan to do a manual OC on my 3700x, 4.20 ghz all core no downclock and just leave it at windows high performance. I'm not sure how well it will work out, but I prefer to have stable clocks like that instead of lettings windows fluctuate it all the time.

This needs to be asked: why do you prefer this? I mean, do what you want, but why give yourself lower peak performance (no single core boost), increase power consumption, increase idle voltage (and hence shorten the lifespan of your CPU) and generally put more wear on your components for no real gain? If your cooling is sufficient you should be able to sustain a 4.2GHz OC anyhow, so why not allow the CPU time to cool down and not run at boost voltage when it doesn't need it? And please don't say anything like "it feels faster when the frequency doesn't have to ramp up", because if so, that's pure nocebo effect. The ramp-up is in the low ms range, and definitely not perceptible for any meaningful load.

 

[TheLostSwede]

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Clearly only on MSI boards then.

 

[witkazy]

ASrock have it too ,under Advanced /cpu config.

 

[FYFI13]

Clearly only on MSI boards then.

Haven't seen this on Asus boards either.

As for OP's problem: my CPU behaves exactly the same unless i set CPU voltage to offset. +- doesn't matter. If i leave it on auto, then CPU stays at 4+GHz at all times and voltage won't drop bellow 1.4V ever. Also i use Windows High Performance plan with minimum CPU state set to 5%.

 

[IceShroom]

Haven't seen this on Asus boards either.

As for OP's problem: my CPU behaves exactly the same unless i set CPU voltage to offset. +- doesn't matter. If i leave it on auto, then CPU stays at 4+GHz at all times and voltage won't drop bellow 1.4V ever. Also i use Windows High Performance plan with minimum CPU state set to 5%.
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Typical ASUS, removing basic AMD chipset feature.

 

[Valantar]

Pretty sure I've seen Cool'n'Quiet on my Biostar X370 board as well. I would guess that Asus renames it to something silly, likely under their "EPU" branding of anything and everything related to power delivery.