Did you get a shiny new Ryzen 3000 CPU?

[TheLostSwede]

I am using the integrated one at the moment, did not install the DGX after I've re-installed Windows

What else is using drivers then, that's not a motherboard component or the graphics card?
Microsoft are unusually unhelpful in this case...

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4028391/windows-how-to-fix-error-0xa-irqlnotlessorequal

 

[Liviu Cojocaru]

GPU...which was replaced as well and it is new...other then that nothing

 

[TheLostSwede]

GPU...which was replaced as well and it is new...other then that nothing

I see people with Nvidia cards having the issues, but not AMD cards...

A random weird question, is the RAM in the correct slots as per the manual?
Gigabyte tends to do funny things with regards to which slots the memory goes into first.
These are also their first range of boards with serial connected memory, rather than their typical T-topology, which is meant to improve overclocking when using two modules, but will result in reduced performance when using four modules.

For optimum performance, when enabling Dual Channel mode with two memory modules, we recommend that you install them in the DDR4_A2
and DDR4_B2 sockets.

And did you try UEFI F4m from here?

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[Chomiq]

So the issue why my mouse wasn't being detected at boot sometimes was... Gigabyte's Ultra Fast Boot. Switched it to Fast Boot and the issue's gone. It actually looks like boot time improved, since now it's at 16.6 sec.

Edit.
Again, 16.8. Well I guess Ultra Fast isn't that fast.

 

[Liviu Cojocaru]

I see people with Nvidia cards having the issues, but not AMD cards...

A random weird question, is the RAM in the correct slots as per the manual?
Gigabyte tends to do funny things with regards to which slots the memory goes into first.
These are also their first range of boards with serial connected memory, rather than their typical T-topology, which is meant to improve overclocking when using two modules, but will result in reduced performance when using four modules.

For optimum performance, when enabling Dual Channel mode with two memory modules, we recommend that you install them in the DDR4_A2
and DDR4_B2 sockets.

And did you try UEFI F4m from here?

GIGABYTE Latest Beta BIOS

Warning Some of beta BIOSes are still undergoing compatibility testing. GIGABYTE is sharing these BIOSes for testing purposes only and are not meant f

forums.tweaktown.com

The RAM is in those slots I did not try the latest BIOS, I've changed Windows from my nVme to my SATA SSD...let's see if that changes anything

 

[Liviu Cojocaru]

Issue sorted (at least for the moment) got the 16GB Patriot Viper Steel Memory 3600mhz CL 17 but they crash with that profile in Windows so I used Ryzen Mem Calclulator and I use this config now (see attached). It was the RAM all the time. I will refund the X570 as there is no point to have an overkill motherboard and next time I upgrade I will get a new MB so...
Going back to B450 Steel Legend from ASrock as it is a good price for a good MB and will change the cooling from the DC Neptwin to Corsair H100x (back to AIO). Also will replace the Corsair case as it can not accommodate the radiator on top so I got the CoolerMaster H500

 

[Nordic]

Looks like I have a BIOS Update available now to 1.8. Hopefully this gives me some kind of tangible improvement.

EDIT: I couldn't clock my memory higher. I can not produce any tangible performance improvements in benchmarks. Theoretically my system is more compatible though

 

[TheLostSwede]

Issue sorted (at least for the moment) got the 16GB Patriot Viper Steel Memory 3600mhz CL 17 but they crash with that profile in Windows so I used Ryzen Mem Calclulator and I use this config now (see attached). It was the RAM all the time. I will refund the X570 as there is no point to have an overkill motherboard and next time I upgrade I will get a new MB so...
Going back to B450 Steel Legend from ASrock as it is a good price for a good MB and will change the cooling from the DC Neptwin to Corsair H100x (back to AIO). Also will replace the Corsair case as it can not accommodate the radiator on top so I got the CoolerMaster H500

Why so slow memory clocks?
Ryzen 3000 doesn't like odd CAS settings at all.
I run mine at 16-16-19-19-36 at 3600MHz no problem.
Good to hear that you at least solved one problem.

 

[Tomgang]

I have not yet order any CPU or motherboard as i am waiting for 3950X to come out. But i can now official say, i have just put in a order for the memory i want for my ryzen build.
G.Skill TridentZ Neo DDR4-3600 C14 32GB kit. Raw spec is 3600 MHz CL14-15-15-35 at 1.4 volts Samsung B-die. Cost 5200 Dkr. that is around 770 USD with danish taxes. I have to order them now as there are a long wait time to get them. And i need them latest to november as there is when i exspect to have it all ready or at least december as the very latest.

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G.SKILL

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[TheLostSwede]

I have not yet order any CPU or motherboard as i am waiting for 3950X to come out. But i can now official say, i have just put in a order for the memory i want for my ryzen build.
G.Skill TridentZ Neo DDR4-3600 C14 32GB kit. Raw spec is 3600 MHz CL14-15-15-35 at 1.4 volts Samsung B-die. Cost 5200 Dkr. that is around 770 USD with danish taxes. I have to order them now as there are a long wait time to get them. And i need them latest to november as there is when i exspect to have it all ready or at least december as the very latest.

RAM. Køb billige RAM / Hukommelse til PC m.m her - Stort udvalg

Hos os finder du PC RAM til computere, Mac og servere. Find DDR3 RAM og DDR4 RAM billigt - Gode tilbud og stort udvalg

www.proshop.dk

F4-3600C14Q-32GTZN-G.SKILL International Enterprise Co., Ltd.

G.SKILL

www.gskill.com

Sorry, but why? That's more than what a very good graphics card costs.

 

[Tomgang]

Sorry, but why? That's more than what a very good graphics card costs.

Simple answer: Because i can

Longer answer: Because Ryzen likes high clock and low timings. I have to order 32 GB now as 16 GB will not be enough for me the coming years. It cant wait as Samsung either has ended or will end production of B-dies very soon and i dont want to risk in like 2-3 years, i cant bay more memory at that time. Besides that i am spending more money on memory as that is a better way to get more performance out of Ryzen 3000 than spending money on a custom water loop. I mean AMD has al ready maxed Ryzen chips to its max stock pretty much. So i am cheaping out on cpu cooling by droping a custom loop and just stick with a Noctua NH-D15 cooler and spend some more money on memory where thare are more gain in performance. Also i have my hardware for a long time (just see my old hardware i have now in my profile). We can agreed that price vs. performance is not great on these memory, but i want to be sure that i push every bit of performance out of that Ryzen 9 3950X when i get it.

With B-die it shut be possible to output 1.5 volts throw them and lower timings and/or raise memory clock a bit more.

 

[tabascosauz]

Simple answer: Because i can

Longer answer: Because Ryzen likes high clock and low timings. I have to order 32 GB now as 16 GB will not be enough for me the coming years. It cant wait as Samsung either has ended or will end production of B-dies very soon and i dont want to risk in like 2-3 years, i cant bay more memory at that time. Besides that i am spending more money on memory as that is a better way to get more performance out of Ryzen 3000 than spending money on a custom water loop. I mean AMD has al ready maxed Ryzen chips to its max stock pretty much. So i am cheaping out on cpu cooling by droping a custom loop and just stick with a Noctua NH-D15 cooler and spend some more money on memory where thare are more gain in performance. Also i have my hardware for a long time (just see my old hardware i have now in my profile). We can agreed that price vs. performance is not great on these memory, but i want to be sure that i push every bit of performance out of that Ryzen 9 3950X when i get it.

With B-die it shut be possible to output 1.5 volts throw them and lower timings and/or raise memory clock a bit more.

> want to push every bit of performance out of 3950X
> buys a 32GB kit for $500USD
> D15 is enough

Bruh, cooling is never too much for Ryzen. Even custom loops barely hold a 3900X back from its rampage.

I'm not saying the D15 is bad. It's an absolute unit. But if you drop $500 on a kit of 32GB for alleged "absolute performance"...there are things you can't overcome with ram freq, timings and volts alone, namely the Ryzen IMC...

Just because the 3950X won't be OCing much doesn't mean it's a cool running chip. Also, you do know that Ryzen 3000's IMC brings appreciably higher RAM latency over even Ryzen 2000, right? Just get a decent 3200C14 B-die and call it a day.

By the way, you're not raising mem clock any more beyond 3600 because that would necessitate 2:1 IF, and that goes against "absolute performance". If you read the scaling reviews, all of them peg tight fast 3600 as being the fastest setup for Ryzen 3000.

 

[Tomgang]

> want to push every bit of performance out of 3950X
> buys a 32GB kit for $500USD
> D15 is enough

Bruh, cooling is never too much for Ryzen. Even custom loops barely hold a 3900X back from its rampage.

I'm not saying the D15 is bad. It's an absolute unit. But if you drop $500 on a kit of 32GB for alleged "absolute performance"...there are things you can't overcome with ram freq, timings and volts alone, namely the Ryzen IMC...

Just because the 3950X won't be OCing much doesn't mean it's a cool running chip. Also, you do know that Ryzen 3000's IMC brings appreciably higher RAM latency over even Ryzen 2000, right? Just get a decent 3200C14 B-die and call it a day.

By the way, you're not raising mem clock any more beyond 3600 because that would necessitate 2:1 IF, and that goes against "absolute performance".

I know 3900X can run hot, but it´s also depends on cooling type and airflow. 3950X according to AMD shut have binned chiplets and i al ready have taken care of airflow in my case. Also if AMD stock cooler can cool it, A Noctua NH-D15 shut be more than capable of cooling it. Remember Ryzen dont have much headroom for overclock over stock any way. I dont exspect 3950X to go over 4.3 GHz for an all core manuel overclock. Also NH-D15 will also run with a another setup. I will run NH-D15 with thermal grizzly kryonaut paste and replace stock fans with Noctua industrial IPPC 3000 RPM 120 MM fans i all ready have. Al ready tried out this setup on my current Noctua NH-D14 on my I7 980X oc to 4.4 GHz and that lowered cpu core temp with around 8 degree celsius over stock noctua fans and paste.

Also ryzen 3000 can run with memory at 3733 MHz to 3800 MHz at 1:1 infinity fabrik. It just needs to be tweaked in manuel. Most motherboards will by default change from 1:1 to 2:1 after 3600 MHz. Also depends on how good a chip i get. As some CPU´s can only run infinity fabrik up to 1800 MHz while others can go to 1900 MHz where memory will run at bout 3800 MHz. So if my chip will only run 1800 MHz on IF i will stick to 3600 MHz and lower timings. Can the CPU run IF at 1900 MHz i will try to set memory to 3733-3800 MHz and ajust timings according to that.

I will not stick to 3200 MHz. Deffently not.

 

[Nordic]

Bruh, cooling is never too much for Ryzen. Even custom loops barely hold a 3900X back from its rampage.

I went from the stock fan on my scythe mugen and no case fans to two NF-A12x25 on the cpu cooler and some case fans for airflow. This improvement in cooling potential didn't result in a serious temperature drop. The bottleneck seems to be more on how fast the heat can be transferred from the cpu to the heatsink. I am half tempted to go get some distilled water and try to rush a custom water cooling loop together. I was hoping to set a loop up after I move into a new place in the next year, but the desire is there now. I am afraid I would go through the effort to not see much of a temperature drop. But so far in my experience, more cooling doesn't help much. I am getting 5c higher temps than someone with a full custom 360mm radiator cooling loop that I found.

Maybe lapping would help.

 

[Vario]

Maybe a water chiller?

 

[NoJuan999]

I was going to wait until early next year to upgrade from my 2600 to a Ryzen 3000 CPU but since Asus finally released a decent BIOS for my B450-F Gaming I pulled the trigger ealry.
I'm waiting for a Ryzen 7 3700x to arrive (should be here today or tomorrow).

 

[biffzinker]

I was going to wait until early next year to upgrade from my 2600 to a Ryzen 3000 CPU but since Asus finally released a BIOS for my B450-F Gaming I pulled the trigger ealry.
I'm waiting for a Ryzen 7 3700x to arrive (should be here today or tomorrow).

You should notice a difference from the 2600 unless you had a golden chip. I know I did from the 2600X.

 

[kmetek]

I was going to wait until early next year to upgrade from my 2600 to a Ryzen 3000 CPU but since Asus finally released a BIOS for my B450-F Gaming I pulled the trigger ealry.
I'm waiting for a Ryzen 7 3700x to arrive (should be here today or tomorrow).

How will updated BIOS help you? You happy with board?

 

[NoJuan999]

How will updated BIOS help you? You happy with board?

The latest BIOS version (2704) uses AGESA 1.0.0.3 ABB and a few people have posted that it works Much better than the previous BIOS versions with a Ryzen 3000 series CPU.
And Yes I amd very happy with my motherboard so far.
I have been running a Ryzen 5 2600 (OC'd to 4 GHz) on it since November 2018 and haven't had any issues with it so far.

 

[Nordic]

Maybe a water chiller?

That would do it.

 

[Roddey]

I am able to get 3600 cas 14 dram fast timings to work on an Asus prime x570 Pro using 4x8 gb 3200 mhz b-die chips.

 

[TheLostSwede]

Gigabyte released a "final" stable F5 UEFI for my board and I'm back to 3800MHz memory.

 

[jesdals]

I could not boot with my usual settings on the new F5 bios - so is running on secondary bios with F5i unfortunately Gigabyte has pulled the bios from the download section - but if you have it - do save it

 

[Chomiq]

F4 is out for X570 Aorus Elite:

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[TheLostSwede]

And F6 for the Master.

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