AMD Readies Larger 7nm "Navi 12" Silicon to Power Radeon RX 5800 Series?

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Nvidia's RTX was a commercial failure. AMD has a huge opportunity to take back GPU market share.

 

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...yea but thats got nothing to do w the value of a product. Nvidia has been padding their pockets for years at the expense of its customers and its only because AMD couldnt compete at the high end. Per frame, anything past a 60 series Nvidia GPU is a bad, bad value.

You can argue that about pretty much anything, Here: Mercedes has been padding their pockets for years because anything past C Classe is a bad, bad value.
There's always a sweet spot and going beyond that means you're into diminishing ROI territory. As you can, I always use a mid-range card, but at the same rime I'm aware that card is made possible, in part, by those that have been buying high end parts. That's just how it works.
That said, yes, I would hate to see another 2080Ti.

Daaah, Navi 10 achieves near parity to TU104...albeit the diet version. I dont know about a 2080 Super Ti or anything...maybe a new GTX line...

Navi has closed most of the gap with Turing, but it still has a major drawback: it's 7nm on par with Nvidia's 12nm. Nvidia only has to move to 7nm and then...

PS Welcome to TPU.

 

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...yea but thats got nothing to do w the value of a product. Nvidia has been padding their pockets for years at the expense of its customers and its only because AMD couldnt compete at the high end. Per frame, anything past a 60 series Nvidia GPU is a bad, bad value.



She said theyre coming...and that future products beyond that are coming...whats she supposed to do, throw down the target specs and release dates out prematurely so Nvidia can beat them to the table with a 1680 Super Duper Ti?

A Navi 12 die wouldnt be any worse for efficiency as a fully equipped TU104. Nvidia fans, especially the RTX buyers (im one), are going to feel real dumb pretty soon. Worse than "ga-hyuck, I just bought a 9900k at full retail" kind of dumb. A 5800 series will compete at high end, and it doesnt even have to better, or even as good, because its not going to cost $1400. Its not going to be $999. AMD has the taste for blood and for once its not from being punched in the mouf so think like...$699...maybe $799. Boom. Now either Nvidia has to double down on RTX and expedite it to mainstream (spending billions), slash RTX prices to compete (pissing us off), or RTX gets killed for the foreseeable future and we go back to good ol' rasteurization horsepower, and hello GTX 1180, 1680, 1780, whatever. Thats whats about to happen.



Daaah, Navi 10 achieves near parity to TU104...albeit the diet version. I dont know about a 2080 Super Ti or anything...maybe a new GTX line...

Navi 12 if real be lucky to have 2080 performance. 2080 Super will outperform Navi 12 as 2070 Super did with Navi 10.

Im an proud owner of an 2080 NVlink setup..... So far distroyed Radeon 7 and both 5700 and 5700 XT. Would say a good start for the year!

"Super" is super binned superior high-yielding GPU with top notch Turning architecture!

Happy first birthday Turning!

 

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Navi 12 if real be lucky to have 2080 performance. 2080 Super will outperform Navi 12 as 2070 Super did with Navi 10.

Im an proud owner of an 2080 NVlink setup..... So far distroyed Radeon 7 and both 5700 and 5700 XT. Would say a good start for the year!

"Super" is super binned superior high-yielding GPU with top notch Turning architecture!

Happy first birthday Turning!

We shall see but i have a big feeling thats wrong. I think 2 skus with larger Navi dies will release and theyll both target the 2080 and 2080 Ti. As I said they only have to come within a certain percentage because theyll cost half the price. They already got in the ballpark with Radeon 7, its not hard to fathom...if they come within even 20% of a 2080 Ti at half the cost...thats fini for RTX until its mainstream AND can do more than 60 or so frames. Or at the least, they slash prices and you wake up to find your beloved investment worth a fraction it was the week before.

 

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64CU Navi card can be sold for $999 for easy since it will be better then RTX 2080Ti, question is how much better should it be since in this price range the RTRT is more relevant since the 2080Ti can run games with RTX ON much better then the 2060/2070/2080.
AMD can use the current high pricing of the 2080Ti, we need to "thank" Nvidia for that :-(.

No it cannot be sold for $999, because you are assuming Nvidia's RTX 2080Ti is fairly priced, which in fact it is well OVERPRICED.
Actually 99% of all Nvidia GPUs are OverPriced. The absolute maximum price tag for the high end GPU, regardless of who makes it shouldn't exceed $699usd period.
In order to ensure these companies comply with this requirement, stop buying GPUs that are overpriced. This will force them to fairly price them.

 

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No it cannot be sold for $999, because you are assuming Nvidia's RTX 2080Ti is fairly priced, which in fact it is well OVERPRICED.
Actually 99% of all Nvidia GPUs are OverPriced. The absolute maximum price tag for the high end GPU, regardless of who makes it shouldn't exceed $699usd period.
In order to ensure these companies comply with this requirement, stop buying GPUs that are overpriced. This will force them to fairly price them.

The beauty of the term "overpriced" is that it's defined as "something that is priced too high", without saying in relation to what.

 

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Nvidia's RTX was a commercial failure. AMD has a huge opportunity to take back GPU market share.

Which, based on recent report, is at about 33% anyway, and not what steam was showing.

 

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Which, based on recent report, is at about 33% anyway, and not what steam was showing.

What the hell, make it 133% if you're not going to source that number.