Batman Returns

[E-curbi]

More retro pics, this time the Batman build early on. For anyone who loves the raw messy build from parts pics.

SEE, the entire chassis is all gunmetal, I wasn't joking. Only the front cover, front switch plate, and front accessory cover plates are black.

Everyone who visits the office seems to think it's the black computer. Common non-enthusiast muggles, they don't understand the details.

And it's a completely different CaseLabs chassis than the other all-gunmetal test bench other side of the office. Picked the first up as a complete test bench in 2015, the other was a Mercury S8S converted to test bench in 2017.


Ok, now I'm gonna shut the heck up for awhile and let someone else say something.

And to the guy who told me I had zero imagination available to me when building the Batman.

I'm like "Where else are you gonna see an 8-bay SSD hotswap mobile server rack with a D5 water pump mounted directly above it and a 120mm radiator with cooling fan mounted directly above that?"

That's like (3) tiers of layered imagination bro.

Just kidding, it's purely technical ... I know.

 

[E-curbi]

Windows sleep mode - system still pulling 1watt!

 

[E-curbi]

Maybe it's just me, but I think the (2) Supremes in the front row are much cuter than Diana, especially the Supreme on the right, yum.

...the thread has gone far off the rails and we don't even care.

Wait a minute, there is no we. Where is everyone? I'm the only one here. It's Twilight Zone Year One Episode One ... bare recognition within a barren landscape of overpromised technology, that left me in this spaceship way too long.

 

[Tomgang]

Always interesting to see what projects others has on there mind and it looks good.

Cant wait to bring my own project in to life. Most hardware is planned but still missing somethings like what case i shut get. Cant deside if i shut put in all in my old Antec Twelve Hundred case or bay a new full tower case for it. I cant wait to try something new now after being on X58/LGA 1366 for over 10 years now.

For my project pc. The following hardware is for sure to come in it and i will try to op hold a dark theme as well. You know as in join the darkside.

Ryzen 9 3950X cooled by a Noctua NH-D15 AM4 version with black chromax covers over the cooler.
ASUS X570 Crosshair VIII Hero motherboard
G.Skill TridentZ Neo DDR4-3600 C14 32GB kit
A new black PSU

Later hardware to ad:
Samsung 980 EVO or PRO NVMe M.2 SSD at maybe 1 TB for OS and the most used games as i hope this SSD will have PCIe gen 4 support.
RTX 3080 or RTX 3080 TI.
Bigger HDD for storage (already have a 2 TB sata SSD for games alone, so game ssd that shut not be needed bigger for now)
Maybe a new case that is not yet desidet.

Until Ryzen 9 3950X finally comes out as it has been delayed from september to november release.

Until then i can only show my current finished project of my old X58 setup (see spec in the profile). There is some ghetto mod and some experiments on cooling/maximized airflow.

http://imgur.com/a/NLahrg9

Some benchmark of the old hag. For hardware that came out over 10 years ago, i think it´s pretty desent scores. Of cause the newer GPU helps out.

Please click the green human to continue - UserBenchmark

http://imgur.com/a/uHjbbMg

 

[E-curbi]

Always interesting to see what projects others has on there mind and it looks good.

Cant wait to bring my own project in to life. Most hardware is planned but still missing somethings like what case i shut get. Cant deside if i shut put in all in my old Antec Twelve Hundred case or bay a new full tower case for it. I cant wait to try something new now after being on X58/LGA 1366 for over 10 years now.

For my project pc. The following hardware is for sure to come in it and i will try to op hold a dark theme as well. You know as in join the darkside.

Ryzen 9 3950X cooled by a Noctua NH-D15 AM4 version with black chromax covers over the cooler.
ASUS X570 Crosshair VIII Hero motherboard
G.Skill TridentZ Neo DDR4-3600 C14 32GB kit
A new black PSU

Later hardware to ad:
Samsung 980 EVO or PRO NVMe M.2 SSD at maybe 1 TB for OS and the most used games as i hope this SSD will have PCIe gen 4 support.
RTX 3080 or RTX 3080 TI.
Bigger HDD for storage (already have a 2 TB sata SSD for games alone, so game ssd that shut not be needed bigger for now)
Maybe a new case that is not yet desidet.

Until Ryzen 9 3950X finally comes out as it has been delayed from september to november release.

Until then i can only show my current finished project of my old X58 setup (see spec in the profile). There is some ghetto mod and some experiments on cooling/maximized airflow.

http://imgur.com/a/NLahrg9

Some benchmark of the old hag. For hardware that came out over 10 years ago, i think it´s pretty desent scores. Of cause the newer GPU helps out.

Please click the green human to continue - UserBenchmark

http://imgur.com/a/uHjbbMg

I say we all help Tom out with his project.

What do you say Sexpotbro? What do you say tabascolovebro? What do you say mostly silent Tek Tip Triple X?

 

[Deleted member 178884]

Cant wait to bring my own project in to life.

The fun of PCs ; ) my main system is a never-ending project that I keep saying it'll be done but there's always something else that pops up on the list to buy

 

[E-curbi]

The fun of PCs ; ) my main system is a never-ending project that I keep saying it'll be done but there's always something else that pops up on the list to buy

I know man, most hobbies, nothing changes very much over 20years, try ice fishing lol, but computer tech whoa, constantly updated speed and efficiencies.

Although still not fast enough for most of us.

There's nothing wrong with ice fishing by the way, I'm planning an igloo shack up north to rent for a couple of.

Not sure if Colorado is far enough away from the hurricanes, maybe North Dakota.

 

[tabascosauz]

I really need to stop procrastinating and just go out to buy a 1500W sinewave UPS. Too many brownouts and blackouts; the SF600 is strong, but it's been three years of this shit constantly happening.

@E-curbi I was in from the moment I saw those brown fans. Ol' Beastie is a bit like something out of a defence or aerospace application in that durability and reliability comes before pure performance and aesthetics, but I always love seeing a good side project. You know, one where one goes balls to the wall, no holds barred.

 

[Tomgang]

The fun of PCs ; ) my main system is a never-ending project that I keep saying it'll be done but there's always something else that pops up on the list to buy

I have done a lot of project with X58 over the years, like getting true NVMe M.2 SSD to work on X58, a powerful GPU, Windows 10 on X58, swapping from first gen X58 mobo/I7 920 to second gen X58 mobo/I7 980X and go from 4 core CPU to a 6 core CPU, overclock every thing out of CPU/GPU, replacing all case/CPU cooler fans and convert it all from 3 PIN to 4 PIN PWM control via software and fan curves. Pushing the system to its apselute max just before crashing. I litterly has cramp every thing out of X58 now i can think of and besides it can no longer provide the performance i want from it and that is lag free gaming with FPS not lower than 60 FPS.

There is no other route now for me now than to replace X58. It has been fun 10 years with X58, but even i have to admit now that X58 best days are over.

 

[E-curbi]

Shave soap of the day is The Beach by Phoenix Artisan Accoutrements CK6 formulation.

Originally inspired by Kramer from Seinfeld attempting to sell his idea of coming home from the beach scent to Calvin Klein in the fictional series.

La Mer

 

[sexpot]

Small update, I received some rads today for Robin! Again, there was initial troubles sourcing the 120mm rad because the new revision would clash with the 180mm rad. Alphacool updated their rads from full copper to brass for the end tanks. A lot of issues with the copper end tanks because people were over tightening the fittings and stripping the threads. With the updated brass tanks, newer rads now come with the blue Alphacool logo. The 180mm rads were not updated I assume due to their low volume of sales.

Anyways, after calling a few vendors, I finally found one that had stock of the older style full copper rads. Now both my rads will have the copper logo's matching. It would have been an eye sore to have both copper and blue logos of the same company haha.

Matching goodness!

Naughty blue

 

[E-curbi]

Yea sexpot, I'm still using the same 10foot roll of Velcro Industrial Strength low-profile from 3years ago, it's a better choice for your Aquaero 6 than double-sided Gorilla tape since you may wish to reposition the component while building. The Gorilla tape is slightly stronger, yet more permanent. Used some the other day for the James Bond external storage USB hub/switch mounting (details and pics a few pages back in this thread) to the underside of my computer desk.

Only a 2.5inchx1inch strip of Gorilla tape is supporting:

1) 4-port metal housing USB hub
2) the power and common data cable
3) (3) USB cables from (3) individual external drives

Gorilla double-sided is much better for permanent mounts vs something you may want to move later on like your Aquaero 6.

Here's a pic, have about 5feet of the Velcro leftover, Gorilla tape in the foreground.

The low-profile will allow for less play less wiggle and it looks nicer than the really thick Velcro. Pic below, the Aquaero 6 mounting to the internal accessory plate Mercury S8. As you know, those (4) screws are only mounting the black passive heatsink to the PCB, no holes cut in the chassis it's a pure Velcro mount. And the mounting looks Super-Clean! Can you see any fuzzy Velcro fibers sticking out from behind? Nope.

Right now, both my A6s are Velcro'd to the S8 bottom panels, the floor lol of the chassis on both test benches, it doesn't look as sophisticated maybe as a chassis wall mounting but super-easy access for big hands. lol

Also, I trimmed off all the display pins from both my Aquaero 6's with wire cutters so they would lay flat, something that is irreversible I'm afraid. My A6's can never connect to a front display ever again and I'm fine with that. I mean, where is the Aquero 7 with an OLED display anyway? Aquaero 6 launched way back in 2013, wow cannot believe AquaComputer has not updated yet. The Quadro seems ok, but still love the heavy duty Aquaero 6 much more. 6years on both of mine, no issues, they both still perform as they did on day one. AquaComputer makes some amazing gear.

Oh, one last thing. All my AquaSuite free licenses with components ran out in May this year. I had to pay $10 to AquaComputer to license the AquaSuite X software for the Batman build, geez.

 

[E-curbi]

Amazon delivers on Sundays. The Seasonic PSU AC cable came up short routed to the new APC UPS, had to order a 3ft extender. Just matched the specs on the Seasonic cable 16AWG 13AMP, $7. Always some little item you need to pick up when getting your desktop setup just the way you want it.

Read up on extension cords and they say to choose the shortest length possible to get the job done, something about resistance with longer AC power cords and I've had enough unusual power issues with the Z390 Dark boards since January, so didn't want to take any chances on another poorly grounded issue or cable resistance issue. Maybe not the Z390 Dark motherboard's fault??? idk. It's just when you get a new motherboard and your surge strip just happens to go bad at the same exact time? Your first best guess when troubleshooting is the new motherboard is most likely the issue, and not a surge protector/power strip that has worked fine for 2years, especially when you cannot even flash a bios to completion on three different onboard bios chips.

Just my bad luck.

Thankfully, EVGA sent out the 2nd replacement board and although it has some very quirky power characteristics itself when you blue screen/fail attempt a new CPU OC, it always returns to normal operation, the 2nd Z390 Dark has been absolutely golden, no issues at all.

And the Z390 Dark black Safe-Boot button is magnificent. Gets you right back into your bios after a failed attempt with saved last successful OC settings there to greet you.

 

[sexpot]

I'm still undecided on the res/pump setup. I need to get components in the case to better visualize where to route everything. If I put the Aquaero on the base, then I need to factor in the pump + Aquaero molex power cables. If I squeeze them into the dual 5.25" bays, then I can hide the cables uptop and they'll be in close proximity. The only issue I have is that the single bay res would need to utilize a DDC pump. Not my favorite in terms of noise. D5 would be my preference as they're super reliable, quiet and run cooler.

 

[tabascosauz]

Note to self: never attempt to use an SFX PSU in anything other than an SFF case.

I couldn't find my NMB2 brackets from my D9L, so I canceled the return on the C14S. It does fit much better on both orientations than on my Aorus, thanks to the socket placement. Plus, the U12A isn't available anywhere except Newegg and costs a goddamn $130, more than the D15, so......

Feels kinda weird to be listing two rigs again; it's been a couple of years.

 

[E-curbi]

Note to self: never attempt to use an SFX PSU in anything other than an SFF case.

I couldn't find my NMB2 brackets from my D9L, so I canceled the return on the C14S. It does fit much better on both orientations than on my Aorus, thanks to the socket placement. Plus, the U12A isn't available anywhere except Newegg and costs a goddamn $130, more than the D15, so......

Feels kinda weird to be listing two rigs again; it's been a couple of years.

Woohoo, TJ08-E Titanium Goodness!

That's a sharp color bro!

Do you have at least 3/4in clearance between the C14S fan and the side panel when closed? Yikes!

More pics, more pics - we want more pics.

 

[tabascosauz]

Woohoo, TJ08-E Titanium Goodness!

That's a sharp color bro!

Do you have at least 3/4in clearance between the C14S fan and the side panel when closed? Yikes!

More pics, more pics - we want more pics.

Yeah, I've got at least a healthy 1" of clearance between the A14 and the side panel. Things are pretty messy because I need some velcro for the 850 EVO, and I probably won't keep the SFX for long. Everything works like a charm, even had an extra 10 licence I didn't know I had. 4c/8t Haswell is really getting long in the tooth though, and the old Gigabyte BIOS feels almost like I went back 10 years.



Kinda disappointed in AP181, honestly. The sleeve bearing sounds super scratchy for some reason and the slow setting is next to useless. I'll probably put up better pics in my thread once I swap it for an A14, put in a ATX PSU (likely Seasonic), and clean things up. The F12 is grommeted but there might not be room in the front A14 for them.

The C14S is very capable. I have a 4-phase Vcore with unheatsinked 4C06 hi and lo, so the downward airflow helps.

雨上がりの空 - sky after the rain, for a number of reasons haha. To most others it's just a nondescript computer without a discrete GPU, but the stuff that's inside mean a lot to me.

 

[E-curbi]

Yeah, I've got at least a healthy 1" of clearance between the A14 and the side panel. Things are pretty messy because I need some velcro for the 850 EVO, and I probably won't keep the SFX for long. Everything works like a charm, even had an extra 10 licence I didn't know I had. 4c/8t Haswell is really getting long in the tooth though, and the old Gigabyte BIOS feels almost like I went back 10 years.

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Kinda disappointed in AP181, honestly. The sleeve bearing sounds super scratchy for some reason and the slow setting is next to useless. I'll probably put up better pics in my thread once I swap it for an A14, put in a ATX PSU (likely Seasonic), and clean things up. The F12 is grommeted but there might not be room in the front A14 for them.

The C14S is very capable. I have a 4-phase Vcore with unheatsinked 4C06 hi and lo, so the downward airflow helps.

雨上がりの空 - sky after the rain, for a number of reasons haha. To most others it's just a nondescript computer without a discrete GPU, but the stuff that's inside mean a lot to me.

I had an AP181 purchased separately not with a case way back when they were super popular. I tried isolating it with every kind of rubber grommet in the known universe. Back then Noctua only offered the brown ones and they were not very soft like the current Noctua grommets, tried about five different grommet types/styles and nothing I had available was enough to absorb the massive amount of noise energy generated from the super-heavy Air Penetrator 180mm. Have no idea what material Silverstone is using but the fan blades and especially the fan frame material is super-dense super-heavy - I got nowhere. Inaudibility was out of the question and even a comfortable level of auditory output was far from possible. Such an extremely heavy fan mounted vertical is going to remain noisy even at low rpms. Maybe if you mount it horizontal like I'm able to with the Batman build and the Noctua Industrial 140mm on top of the C14S and place a great deal of noise absorbing material beneath it? But then why bother, when there are so many other fan options out there and available? Sheesh I gave up, my AP181 remained in my parts drawer unused for about 3years then I just gave it away to a friend who was building with a warning for his ears.

Remember my isolation numbers one thread page back, the overall mass in grams of various fans I've attempted to move to silent/inaudible over the years last page this thread?

150grams and less the easiest to isolate
200grams to 250grams easily isolated using a fan controller with a wide range of PWM or dc adjustment
250grams to 300grams extra silicon material may be needed and a fan controller with extra low power "boost at start" capabilities
300grams to 350grams - Forget it, why bother? I've tried - Find another fan.

Now look at the overall mass in grams of the AP181:

 

[E-curbi]

Yeah, I've got at least a healthy 1" of clearance between the A14 and the side panel. Things are pretty messy because I need some velcro for the 850 EVO, and I probably won't keep the SFX for long. Everything works like a charm, even had an extra 10 licence I didn't know I had. 4c/8t Haswell is really getting long in the tooth though, and the old Gigabyte BIOS feels almost like I went back 10 years.

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Kinda disappointed in AP181, honestly. The sleeve bearing sounds super scratchy for some reason and the slow setting is next to useless. I'll probably put up better pics in my thread once I swap it for an A14, put in a ATX PSU (likely Seasonic), and clean things up. The F12 is grommeted but there might not be room in the front A14 for them.

The C14S is very capable. I have a 4-phase Vcore with unheatsinked 4C06 hi and lo, so the downward airflow helps.

雨上がりの空 - sky after the rain, for a number of reasons haha. To most others it's just a nondescript computer without a discrete GPU, but the stuff that's inside mean a lot to me.

Sky after the rain is a nice name bro. I'm certain it carries a very important meaning for you.

Yea, my 6700K was feeling really long on the tooth lol, but not so noticeable really until you upgrade and can feel the difference A to B side by side with an 8700K.

So happy the C14S is working out for you and you found a good use at some capacity for the cooler. I think they're just amazing for the price, and not sure just why they cool as well as they do with only a single bank of fins. Maybe the extremely long exposed vapor tubes give them that extra performance edge?

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Since we're on the subject and anyone interested, these three brands of silicon soft grommets are the best I've found - if you want to go that extra mile.

Akasa, Nexus, and Acousti - left, right, and bottom.

My noise dampening mini-tool box. lol

 

[E-curbi]

Living in a warm tropical climate in the summertime, it's nice to wake up on a Monday morning to air-cooled thermals like this with a daily 5.4Ghz all cores all threads ddr4 running @ 4400Mhz 17-17-17-34 pushing the 8086K's IMC to it's very limits.

If I lived up north, geez these CPU thermals on air would be idling in the low 20Cs.

 

[tabascosauz]

Finally, that makes us C14S-bros.

The B450I BIOS really makes me appreciate the software fan controls we have at our disposal in 2019. The H97N literally has 1 adjustable option for the CPU and System fans, and it sucks. But you know what the H97N has that the B450I doesn't, despite the latter being 4 years newer? Dual BIOS.

The C14S is pretty amazing. Stock 4.4GHz on untweaked voltage and it just doesn't break a sweat. Probably the massive heatpipes; maybe Noctua uses better quality ones on the C14S just because they have to be bent like they do? Can't say the same for the 4790K though - downloading my massive Dropbox in the background and it's stumbling over itself when I try to do just about anything at the same time; all threads are being loaded and it's just running out of steam. The 3700X has spoiled me.

Speaking of which, F42c BIOS with 1.0.0.3ABBA AGESA is out. Should I take the risk and update? Remember, AMD boards are cheap and don't come with Dual BIOS from 5 year old Intel boards

 

[E-curbi]

Finally, that makes us C14S-bros.

The B450I BIOS really makes me appreciate the software fan controls we have at our disposal in 2019. The H97N literally has 1 adjustable option for the CPU and System fans, and it sucks. But you know what the H97N has that the B450I doesn't, despite the latter being 4 years newer? Dual BIOS.

The C14S is pretty amazing. Stock 4.4GHz on untweaked voltage and it just doesn't break a sweat. Probably the massive heatpipes; maybe Noctua uses better quality ones on the C14S just because they have to be bent like they do? Can't say the same for the 4790K though - downloading my massive Dropbox in the background and it's stumbling over itself when I try to do just about anything at the same time; all threads are being loaded and it's just running out of steam. The 3700X has spoiled me.

Speaking of which, F42c BIOS with 1.0.0.3ABBA AGESA is out. Should I take the risk and update? Remember, AMD boards are cheap and don't come with Dual BIOS from 5 year old Intel boards

Yup Noctua bros all the way!

Glad you are happy with the C14S. LOVE both of mine, and the only real characteristic that sets it apart from other Noctua coolers besides the C-shape down-firing form factor is the extremely LONG phase-change heatpipes, maybe that's the magic right there.

There's only 6 functional heatpipes, the 7th one in the center is SOLID not a heatpipe at all, it's used only for structural support.

So worth $74.50 imho. The successor was rumored to launch Q4 this year before Christmas, but I heard Noctua is releasing the blacked-out coolers for Q4, so highly unlikely they will launch two-four new skus, as you know - they is slow at moving prototypes to market. lol

If you swap out the Silverstone stock AP-181 for a Noctua 140mm Industrial, hold both in your hands and the difference in weight will most likely surprise you.

 

[E-curbi]

Also comparing the stats of the Silverstone AP-181 to the Noctua Industrial NF-A14 2000rpm PWM

Silverstone AP-181:
Airflow 107.27 CFM
Static Pressure 2.18 mm H20
Rated Power 5.4 watts

Noctua NF-A14 2000rpm PWM:
Airflow 182.5m3/h = 107.42 CFM
Static Pressure 4.18 mm H₂O
Max Power 2.16 watts

AP181

Traditional computer fans are made to expel air, so for years, airflow was the most important rating that determines cooling efficiency as most fans are used as exhausts. However, with positive pressure gaining importance in computer cooling technology, SilverStone created Air Penetrator fan...

www.silverstonetek.com

NF-A14 industrialPPC-2000 PWM

Conceived for industrial heavy duty applications that require enhanced cooling performance and advanced ingress protection, the NF-A14 industrialPPC (Protected Performance Cooling) is a ruggedised high-speed version of the award-winning retail model. Thanks to the outstanding aerodynamic...

noctua.at

a bit shocking.

The AP-181 was probably one of the highest airflow greatest performing fans in 2010/2011.

 

[tabascosauz]

Yup Noctua bros all the way!

Glad you are happy with the C14S. LOVE both of mine, and the only real characteristic that sets it apart from other Noctua coolers besides the C-shape down-firing form factor is the extremely LONG phase-change heatpipes, maybe that's the magic right there.

There's only 6 functional heatpipes, the 7th one in the center is SOLID not a heatpipe at all, it's used only for structural support.

So worth $74.50 imho. The successor was rumored to launch Q4 this year before Christmas, but I heard Noctua is releasing the blacked-out coolers for Q4, so highly unlikely they will launch two-four new skus, as you know - they is slow at moving prototypes to market. lol

I don't know anything about 1.0.0.3ABBA AGESA, is that a new album from the Swedish pop band from the 80s?

AGESA is the firmware for Ryzen, a little like microcode for Intel. AMD pushes out updates every now and then, which usually aren't worth your time, but the Ryzen 3000s have been such a collective shit show that they actually matter now. ABBA is purported to give better boost, smarter boost, and lower voltages all at the same time, but single BIOS chip tho......and all my saved profiles too......

Got a IPC-2000 on order. I don't mind airflow noise, since I have my DT770s on whenever I'm in front of the screen, but I just couldn't stand the noisy bearing on the AP181. And the lack of PWM.

I guess the heatpipes being longer, thus more area contacting the fin stack and the air, helps the C14S. It could also be that most reviewers utilize an open air bench, much like Batman, which provides infinite intake air to the A14 and naturally removes a lot of the heat blown downwards. The D15/U14S/U12A would require good case fans to feed it directly along its airflow path to utilize its full potential. Also, while the C14S has a thin stack, it's probably the largest in terms of l x w, because the U14S is not any taller than a 120mm tower and D15 has cutouts.

 

[sexpot]

This thread updates so fast, my email notification cannot keep up haha.