In the real working world, when you mess up big time and it wrongly ends up hurting some one elses business and reputation, then there are severe consequences. Yes people have been let go from their positions with this kind of caliber mess up.
If you know you are going to cover a very sensitive subject that has the likes of a rumor and not confirmed, then you approach the topic from all angles objectively and in neutral language.
The main problem here is that he used a bad source, he deserves to have dialogue and due process still.
Also, this is old world talk you speak of, lot of companies I have worked at have not been this way (oddly enough in the backwaters of Indiana, Republican stronghold land), a lot of people are only wanting to help each other grow together. I had a co-worker get fired recently due to his drug habit, but the CEO called him up personally to offer to put him through rehab. Look, I am not comparing that situation to this. I am simply saying if all you want is negativity, that is all you will get.
I also think there is an opportunity here for us as a community to grow together. A chance for a lot of positivism, possibly even hugs. Reach out to Steve, for a Skype session with W1zz, btar and Steve, all 3 together, and leave it up to GN if they decide to publish that on their YT channel.
Now you are talking about increasing business for both sides, cause all of us are sick of this hate and negativity. You telling me we can't sit down and figure it out, we have to resort to yelling? This is not a repeated behavior, btar has never used Reddit as a source before this moment in history that I am aware, that is a mistake yes, we should not be doing that nonsense here, but it was simply that a mistake that has been corrected.
I was almost banned once myself, but
@W1zzard messaged me personally, and had a talk with me, and I assured him that level of mistake I made would not happen again, and it has not, I have not had anymore temporary bans since that chat with him. I was initially banned for 6 months by a mod who I offended, and I wasn't even doing it on purpose, I was genuinely curious about is possible motherboards and other PC equipment cause cancer if fans are blowing over them constantly and we are all breathing this in every day for several hours a day, it was absolute nonsense, but what worried was the proposition 55 California stickers that were on these PCB's when we build our computers, etc... it wasn't until later, when someone explained it better to me that in fact, California has these stickers on everything basically, and even in California the stickers are widely considered a joke. I was simply trying to put two curious ideas together in my head, which turned out to be wrong when I had more facts (has more to do with touching them maybe then not washing your hands and then eating possible lead contaminants), but during that process of figuring it all out I offended someone and I am deeply sorry for that, but I should not be banned. I have had a lot of wonderful conversations with people here since that time, I have not made a mistake again. I would have liked the chance to sit down with the mod I offended over that and just have a Skype chat briefly so he can see I am human and I really meant no ill will and that perhaps I worded something wrong or posted it in the wrong forum (but we could go through it together logically step by step together and see where I went wrong so I could apologize, etc), which in retrospect I did post that kind of thought in the wrong forum, it did not belong there. That was a mistake, I moved on and learned from it, and now I am trying to share that same positive energy here, that we don't have to just jump down each others throats. Of course if another article hurts someones business, then of course you have to progressively move up the ladder of punishment phases. Firing on a one time offense though for using a bad source, with no other probationary type periods or oversight that we know of beforehand, seems foolish imo.
btar deserves the same thing here imo, because the only facts we have are this: he used a bad source from a site that should never even be used as a source, but also we use WWCFTECH as source sometimes and we all know how often they get it wrong... so I mean, I can understand where he might have had blurred lines, it was an ill moment of judgement I will agree with all of you on that. I'm still not sure I would agree with a full firing. I worked in government before, and there is a process to this type of thing, not a shout culture.
Look up his posting "news" He has been posting either pure BS clicky baity articles or political BS clicky baity artciles FOR A F**KING WHILE
In case you forgot, the famous "CTS Lab" Hit job on AMD's "security issues
CTS-Labs, following up on Tuesday's "Masterkey" exploit proof-of-concept video, posted a guide to bypassing Windows Credential Guard on an AMD Ryzen-powered machine. We once again begin in a privileged shell session, of an AMD-powered machine whose Secure Processor that has been compromised...
www.techpowerup.com
Ya know, when member posts something "bad" they got banned for a while. How about we at least do that to the editors?
I understand exactly what you mean. I have had issues with a lot of his articles too, but if he has free reign to post as he pleases is that his fault? I think perhaps there needs to be maybe a probationary period of oversight until the behavior is corrected over a 3 month period? Rather than take someones livelihood away? If he was never disciplined for that article you just linked, how was he ever to learn he did a bad thing? I really think we just need more oversight, doesn't have to be from w1zz, I know he is a genius coder and a busy man, but even maybe just a little solution like for an article to be approved for posting, 3 mods have to give it 3 green check-marks, and it can be whoever is online at the time, a very simple program.
Look I have no business with this matter either way. I just think we can do better than shout culture, if TPU becomes shout culture without due process or even allowing someone else to defend themselves through discourse it's not going to be good for anyone.
LOL, people are acting like this actually matters in the grand scheme of life. Good Lord people, turn down the drama 10 notches.
Agreed, but I think this is something happening in our culture not just here, where we do not allow due process to take place anymore. W1zz, Steve, and btar still have some more talking to do I think. This can be a positive situation, not a negative one, it is all about reaching out and trying to be creative in how we do that as a community. It's not so much about drama as it is about we are adults, logical people, maybe Steven can ask btar on Skype what his thought process was at the time, in the moment, when writing that article. Maybe it can unfold into a long conversation that ends up being very healthy and positive for everyone in involved.
lol
btarunr defending his article in the comments is so laughable. Can't believe he's still on the staff. LOL
You don't know what is happening behind the scenes, it is not a matter of our concern anyway. Whatever w1zz decides I will support, because I respect his judgement and leadership.
I read it, its still laughable, the article took a swipe at major tech youtubers from a Reddit post... That's like taking news from the Onion and saying SEE THE EARTH IS FLAT !!! Come on this is right up there with Alex Jones. The Youtubers just got TON's more content making a mockery of this. Hell Linus dedicated a large chunk of the wan show to just laughing at it. Its a whole Verge builds a debacle again. You failed to check sources before hand. No Research was actually done and the post was FIRST posted as if fact and scrubbed 11 min because it was an assumption.
Right, and maybe he has had a very very busy day, Steve has said he contacted him and W1zz in that video on GN. He probably also has very high emotions right now, anxiety, etc and is not thinking clearly. I know when I made mistakes at my previous employer and had to have a sit down with my boss I felt that way and couldn't think straight. Maybe give it a day to breathe and see if anything comes of it? Then do all the laughing you want. You have a very shallow experience of human experiences in life if you think this one topic and mistake defines an entire being.
edit: I am leaving this thread, because I can't do the negative energy anymore. I do hope something good comes of it all, I hope it all works out for everyone involved one way or the other. take care folks. I have nothing left to say, so I will go.
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