Ryzen Owners Zen Garden

[Nordic]

With the latest bios update, asrock lowered the maximum PPT, TDC, and EDC values for the motherboard. I am assuming these values are more in line with what the motherboard is capable of. It used to have EDC at a max of 500A but now it is 170A. I easily max out all three values at AMD stock settings, and I come close with the motherboard settings.

Has anyone else noticed any differences?

 

[biffzinker]

@Nordic
I've noticed my 3600 has went from 3,975 MHz before 1.0.0.4 to 3,900/25MHz after the update during a AIDA64 stress test on the FPUs.

 

[TheLostSwede]

With the latest bios update, asrock lowered the maximum PPT, TDC, and EDC values for the motherboard. I am assuming these values are more in line with what the motherboard is capable of. It used to have EDC at a max of 500A but now it is 170A. I easily max out all three values at AMD stock settings, and I come close with the motherboard settings.

Has anyone else noticed any differences?

Nope, looks the same as always to me. Looks like what they did, is set PBO as a default off, rather than a default on. It's been the same for me with certain UEFI releases. Auto is now default off, whereas it has been default on and off depending on the release.
Seem like it's still quite high on your board.

 

[Nordic]

Your values are the default settings. I have increased mine to the motherboards limits. The observation I am highlighting is that the motherboards limits have dramatically gone down with the new bios.

 

[TheLostSwede]

Your values are the default settings. I have increased mine to the motherboards limits. The observation I am highlighting is that the motherboards limits have dramatically gone down with the new bios.

And if you enable PBO?

 

[Wickedt]

This is what OC defaults to on my ASRock Taichi 570, PBO on auto i believe.

 

[Papahyooie]

Hey guys! I have a 2600, and I have been reading about these power plans. Can't seem to get a straight answer. Seems they're doing stuff and things with CPPC, which from my understanding, 2600 doesn't have (?).

I've basically just stuck my 2600 in the board (Asus B350-F) and rolled on. Are these improvements applicable to a 2600? Or just Zen2? If not, are there any improvements to be made to a 2600? Seems to work great out of the box, haven't updated BIOS or anything. But if there are any improvements to be made, whether BIOS or Windows/Power Plan, etc, and I can eek out a tiny bit more performance, I'd be willing to do so.

 

[GoldenX]

It's just Zen2.
But newer BIOS versions may/should give you some better turbo frequencies.

 

[HTC]

It's just Zen2.
But newer BIOS versions may/should give you some better turbo frequencies.

And faster boot times, no?

 

[GoldenX]

Yep, slightly faster boot times too.

 

[robot zombie]

Hey guys! I have a 2600, and I have been reading about these power plans. Can't seem to get a straight answer. Seems they're doing stuff and things with CPPC, which from my understanding, 2600 doesn't have (?).

I've basically just stuck my 2600 in the board (Asus B350-F) and rolled on. Are these improvements applicable to a 2600? Or just Zen2? If not, are there any improvements to be made to a 2600? Seems to work great out of the box, haven't updated BIOS or anything. But if there are any improvements to be made, whether BIOS or Windows/Power Plan, etc, and I can eek out a tiny bit more performance, I'd be willing to do so.

Not much you can do outside of stuff you'd do for any new CPU. Not nearly as much to how that chip boosts. Vanilla 2600s are pretty good overclockers though! I may have gotten lucky but mine would run 4ghz all core at like 1.2v... it's a decent boost and runs pretty cool and efficient. Pretty much any of them should do an OC like that easily.

 

[biffzinker]

I was looking at the memory timings in AIDA64 then I noticed it was reporting ECC was supported but currently disabled. So I was wondering if the B450 Tomahawk supports ECC.

Apparently you can use ECC UDIMMS with the Tomahawk? Or is that a no going by the text in the parentheses?

 

[Nordic]

And if you enable PBO?

That is with PBO enabled. The values used to be higher. Now these are the values.

 

[TheLostSwede]

That is with PBO enabled. The values used to be higher. Now these are the values.

If that's with PBO enabled, then they're Indeed very low. Maybe they discovered the power regulation wasn't up to the task?

I was looking at the memory timings in AIDA64 then I noticed it was reporting ECC was supported but currently disabled. So I was wondering if the B450 Tomahawk supports ECC.

Apparently you can use ECC UDIMMS with the Tomahawk? Or is that a no going by the text in the parentheses?

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As it says, you can use ECC memory, but MSI didn't implement the actual ECC support, so it won't do anything.

 

[Nordic]

If that's with PBO enabled, then they're Indeed very low. Maybe they discovered the power regulation wasn't up to the task?

Exactly my thoughts. This is only since the latest bios. This motherboard is really not that great. It functions at least.

 

[TheLostSwede]

Exactly my thoughts. This is only since the latest bios. This motherboard is really not that great. It functions at least.

It's really quite bizarre that no-one has made a half decent mATX board with the X570 chipset, especially as Asus made both a mITX and mDTX board, the latter being a form factor that hasn't been around for years.

 

[tabascosauz]

ngl, this is pretty rad. That's upwards of 25% improvement in boot time over 1.0.0.3AB/ABBA, and pretty much on par with Intel boot times. I think mine with the 3700X has about the same boot time as my friend's with the same board, 2600, and no NVMe to bog it down.

The effect is more pronounced for me because I have an FE card that runs at 100% fan speed until POST completes. Yeah...now I don't hear it screaming unless the board is saving BIOS settings changes I made.

It's really quite bizarre that no-one has made a half decent mATX board with the X570 chipset, especially as Asus made both a mITX and mDTX board, the latter being a form factor that hasn't been around for years.

I guess it's them being used to Intel for so long. It's only been a couple of years since the northbridge moved off the board for AMD and cleared up space for other things. Even on the Intel side, mATX is a bit of a dying breed quality-wise. The Gene is the sole exception, obviously, but at least the Gene's lineage is a small motivator for Asus to keep the line going; we don't have that kind of history.

I can understand the Impact, because built-up ITX power delivery and thinking vertically with daughterboards is Asus' strong suit (M6 Impact and Z87I-Deluxe come to mind). No recent Impacts past Z97 so maybe they had to scratch the itch Maybe vendors are realizing that the only way to keep selling mATX is to make them cheap, because a premium board will just push most people to ATX.

 

[biffzinker]

ngl, this is pretty rad. That's upwards of 25% improvement in boot time over 1.0.0.3AB/ABBA, and pretty much on par with Intel boot times. I think mine with the 3700X has about the same boot time as my friend's with the same board, 2600, and no NVMe to bog it down.

SMU v46.54.0

Maybe vendors are realizing that the only way to keep selling mATX is to make them cheap, because a premium board will just push most people to ATX.

Would of preferred mATX but instead ended up with ATX.

 

[Nordic]

It's really quite bizarre that no-one has made a half decent mATX board with the X570 chipset, especially as Asus made both a mITX and mDTX board, the latter being a form factor that hasn't been around for years.

I am tempted to switch to the good itx board and maybe use this motherboard elsewhere like @EarthDog suggested.

My current case can't do ATX and I am not inclined to switch back to ATX.

 

[Calmmo]

3 days running now the 3900x - had one random restart for no apparent reason yesterday, but today has been fine so far.
Finally had some time to *actually* do some basic memory tuning and ran a few benches. Havent tried 1900 IF yet, but 1867 will do for now.

 

[TheLostSwede]

3 days running now the 3900x - had one random restart for no apparent reason yesterday, but today has been fine so far.
Finally had some time to *actually* do some basic memory tuning and ran a few benches. Havent tried 1900 IF yet, but 1867 will do for now.

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Considering where you're at, the extra 33MHz should be a breeze.

 

[mstenholm]

3 days running now the 3900x - had one random restart for no apparent reason yesterday, but today has been fine so far.
Finally had some time to *actually* do some basic memory tuning and ran a few benches. Havent tried 1900 IF yet, but 1867 will do for now.

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I ought to copy your tests....tomorrow maybe. Do you have Ryzen Master/PBO installed and running?

 

[GoldenX]

Anything higher is limited by the CPU.

 

[jesdals]

New Chipset drivers from AMD - seeing som faster boot times

 

[biffzinker]

https://www.amd.com/en/support/chipsets/amd-socket-am4/x570

Picked the X570 chipset for a direct link but the driver still applies to the earlier chipsets.

Driver Details:

Release Date
11/25/2019

Revision Number
1.11.22.0454

Supports:

Windows® 7/10 for
        2nd Gen AMD Ryzen™ Desktop Processor
        7th-Gen AMD A-Series Processors
        AMD Ryzen™ Desktop Processor
        AMD X470 Chipset
        AMD X370 Chipset
        AMD B450 Chipset
        AMD B350 Chipset
        AMD A320 Chipset
Windows® 10 only for
        3rd Gen AMD Ryzen™ Threadripper™ Processors
        3rd Gen AMD Ryzen™ Desktop Processor
        2nd Gen AMD Ryzen™ Threadripper™ Processor
        AMD Ryzen™ Threadripper™ Processor
        AMD Ryzen™ Desktop Processor with Radeon™ Vega Graphics
        AMD Ryzen™ Mobile Processor with Radeon™ Vega Graphics
        AMD X399 Chipset
        AMD X570 Chipset
        AMD TRX40 Chipset

Package Includes:

        AMD Chipset Drivers
        AMD Ryzen™ Power Plans (required for UEFI CPPC2 in Windows® 10 May 2019 Update)