This is a thing. Liquid cooling, without any chance of mess..

[John Naylor]

The only things you got right there are cost and installation. My loop gets pulled apart every two years, other than that, it gets a drop of biocide every 6 months and dusting just like every other cooler.

They have more points of failure but barbs and clamps are not likely to fail. If you start getting into compression fittings and quick connects then yeah, you could almost say prone. Anyone that puts even basic effort into their loop will have no more problems and maintenance than aios or air.

I add...

1. Immensely quieter. Every custom water loop we' have been involved with is dead silent .... I could be running a stress test with monitor tuned off and if ya sat in the chair to use the box, the 1st thing you'd do is hit the power switch because you can not tell the system is running. My son's is the same way except for the EVGA PSU (1000 watt0 G2), it was replaced under warranty but the replacement is just as loud.

2. Cost ... you get what you pay for ... if dead silence is the yardstick, there is no other choice.

3. AIOs fail more often than custom loops. I don't like the look of barbs and clamps, use rigid acrylic tubing. No failures to date. Any failures I have heard of were user caused ...

Quick Disconnects are locked ... extremely secure.
Compression fittings - Used in home and commercial buildings, I'm in the industry, Only failures I have heard about are when someone puts a nail or cuts thru a pipe.

4. I don't use custom loops for the temps ... Most of the time we hit the voltage wall (1.5v w/ AVC present) before the temperature wall. I do it for the silence.

5. Sitting next to a 6 year old box ...running 24/7 @ max OV w/ 1.387 BIOS voltage setting hitting 1.51 w/ AVX. No fans are spinning. Peak gaming, they might hit 550 - 625 rpm and even w/ side panel off ... no sound.

 

[moproblems99]

Quick Disconnects are locked ... extremely secure.
Compression fittings - Used in home and commercial buildings, I'm in the industry, Only failures I have heard about are when someone puts a nail or cuts thru a pipe.

As a once certified master mechanic, I have seen many qds leak. Also, try using compression fittings on tubing like ek zmt. The type of tubing that say not to use compression fittings.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Also, try using compression fittings on tubing like ek zmt.

Or use zip-ties. I find they work very well.

 

[Vario]

Thank you! That was the point.

I get it, there are reasons to go custom water and they're good ones for those who do it. In the same way, I prefer the advantages that air brings over all the other solutions and this 'invention' could be a step up from that.

For me the selling point of air is it is cheap, it can run perpetually without any hassle, and I also use the same cooler on multiple systems, as intel has been on the same hole spacing for a while now. Watercooling advocates have made points in this thread and others about how the temperatures are better, the system is quieter, etc, but both of those two points I don't care about. What I do care about is hassle. My system runs pretty cool for a air cooled system, with typical temps for CPU and VGA at 50*C in game (RDR2, GTA). I am running large air coolers on both. I also prefer the fan white noise over a quiet room and selected fans that generate an audible note that agrees with me.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I do it for the silence.

A lot of people want dead silence. Some don't care if a system makes a little noise. I'm one of the later. A little noise does not bother me at all.

 

[INSTG8R]

Pretty neat to see “VaporX” being resurrected in a pretty interesting application.

 

[Waldorf]

This wont really make a big difference for the cooler market in general (+50%).

For ppl to change/switch, stuff needs to be cheaper doing the same thing, or has to do better at the same cost.
vapor/chamber cooling has been done for a while, yet not really taken off.
You can expect about 20-30% vs heatpipe design, doubt it will be same vs water.

But i would like to see it combined with a waterblock, to improve heat transfer from the hotter and smaller chips we now have (ryzen/TR).

I prefered water in the past, as to have no noise coming from the rig at idle/low load.
The only reason for me to do custom loops was to get the parts i wanted, AIO were not really a thing,
and be able to do certain stuff like having pump/rad/fans in an external container 6ft away (with dripless quick connect).

But after i saw almost identical temps running the eisbaer (240) now (vs my custom loop with much better pump/block
and a passive resorator running almost 2gl of coolant), i wont spend the money/time (build),
when i can get within 2-5*C for less than 120$ (and no big rad on my table ).
And i can still refill/flush/replace parts like its a custom loop, even extending loop if needed,
nor am i worried about it failing, as thats normally (only) the case with asetek design based pumps.

One thing i have to laugh about is ppl saying you wont have a problem with dust.
you always will. unless you have HEPA type fan filters, its just a matter of time until you will have dust (as in dead skin particles).
no positive pressure and/or mesh filter (with holes bigger than a hair) will not be able to prevent that, period.

But my biggest problem is some stating its best to have rad blow the hot air inside the case (vs exhausting),
which is true if your interested in lowest cpu temps and are not running a mid-high end gpu.
As lots of ppl have seen lower fps (than expected) on an air cooled gpu (10xx and 20xx series) because of throttling,
which was basically "fixed" when direction of airflow was changed (hot air exhausted) and/or the gpu was water cooled.
one guy got 15-20 fps more on a 2080 (LC) vs the air cooled 2080ti he had before (and thought was defective).

So unless your (Nv) card stays below 74*C, you will throttle the card and are better off exhausting the cpu heat to the outside of the case.

 

[Vayra86]

One thing i have to laugh about is ppl saying you wont have a problem with dust.


So unless your (Nv) card stays below 74*C 50C, you will throttle the card and are better off exhausting the cpu heat to the outside of the case.

FTFY Though its a mild throttle, Nv cards drop boost bins from 50C onwards, every 5C costs you one or more bins of 13mhz. That is why usually boosts start beyond 2000 and slowly drop off to 19xx mhz for many people. Maybe we should call it 'finding equilibrium'. Its pretty elegant as it is. The real throttling happens beyond 84C, when the card forces the voltages down to remain under that temp. That's when you start losing >50mhz or more on top of all those bins.

About the dust, of course, you're right dust is always a problem in due time. But even a heatsink clogged up will work, it's just going to be far less effective. The comment was mostly meant to offset the idea that regular (bi-monthly or even 2x per year) cleaning is a real necessity, it really depends a lot on your environment, case setup and cooling setup combo how often that's going to be.

 

[xtreemchaos]

its horses for courses when it comes to cooling what ever you like, at the mo I like something between a fairground ride and a dialysis machine I don't know why I just do but I also like other peoples air-cooled rigs I don't get into whats best just what I like the look of and lets face it all types of cooling is good nowa days.

 

[Waldorf]

@Vayra86
Should have said throttling that actually lowers clocks from normal boost numbers.
Not sure where you see 50C as limit.
I can reproduce the same max boost clocks, no matter if im below or above 50C (RTX2080).

Our heat Pump stopped a few days ago and we had pretty low temps inside,
so i decided to do some tests while ambient temp was almost 10F lower,
card stayed below 50C and no difference to max clock (2.08).

True.
Just love when someone says, positive "pressure" and fan screens will prevent (any) dust...
The only time i've seen that, is with hospital grade air filtration (HEPA or better).

 

[freeagent]

Or move so much air so fast the dust doesn't have a chance to settle

 

[bmacsys]

That is why I like the Alphacool Eisbaer AIOs. They are more like a custom loop than an AIO.

They are junk too. It is so easy to build a real loop and doesn't have to break the bank either.

The only things you got right there are cost and installation. My loop gets pulled apart every two years, other than that, it gets a drop of biocide every 6 months and dusting just like every other cooler.

They have more points of failure but barbs and clamps are not likely to fail. If you start getting into compression fittings and quick connects then yeah, you could almost say prone. Anyone that puts even basic effort into their loop will have no more problems and maintenance than aios or air.

He said "closed loop". Not custom loop. You are correct though. A custom loop is not a lot of work to maintain.

 

[Waldorf]

Based on what?
You have global numbers showing that more than 10% fail within month/year? Right..
Not even talking about the fact a proper pump (D5) and waterblock alone are almost twice than what i can buy an eisbär for, and you would still need res/tubing/clamps and connectors.

And a kit that cost the same (~110$), will definitely have an asetek designed pump (main reason most aio are crap/fail), and an eisbar or predator as well as the latest arctic will have in house designed pumps that will not only perform better (flow/pressure) but are also less prone to fail.

 

[bmacsys]

Based on what?
You have global numbers showing that more than 10% fail within month/year? Right..
Not even talking about the fact a proper pump (D5) and waterblock alone are almost twice than what i can buy an eisbär for, and you would still need res/tubing/clamps and connectors.

And a kit that cost the same (~110$), will definitely have an asetek designed pump (main reason most aio are crap/fail), and an eisbar or predator as well as the latest arctic will have in house designed pumps that will not only perform better (flow/pressure) but are also less prone to fail.

I don't need numbers to tell me that AIO coolers including the Alphacool Eisbaer are junk. You can build a nice but simple custom loop that doesn't break the bank that actually has value compared to any AIO/closed loop made with the cheapest components sourced from China. It just takes brainpower, patience and planning. In the end you end up with a cooling system of value.

 

[kapone32]

They are junk too. It is so easy to build a real loop and doesn't have to break the bank either.


You are entitled to your opinion but, I would like to think that a 420MM copper rad with a block/reservoir that is also copper and a D5 pump purchased individually (which you can do) would be more than the $129 Euro I paid for the Eisbear 420, The biggest difference between the EIsbaer and a closed loop is the tubing period,

 

[Waldorf]

@bmacsys
as long as there is no proof showing that that's the case, you're just posting an opinion similar to ppl that have seen a unicorn.

and you know the eisbaer it's not even a closed loop?
i can top off/flush/refill and replace anything on it, like on a custom loop, and one reason i bought it.
and if its value i wanted, i'd buy a sub 30$ air cooler from arctic.

right now i have an aio that is giving me similar temps that i had with a complete custom loop
consisting of 440L/h pump, 60$ block and external resorator with the loop containing almost 2 gal of coolant,
except i dont have to put the loop together, and the whole install took less than just preparing the custom loop,
not even getting more than 3*C better temps than the eisbar, completely ignoring the space it took (case/desk),
or time spend doing a flush/refill.

but hey, put something together that's below 120$ with a better quality pump, copper rad, decent block/res/tubing/fans,
and you have at least proven 50%.

@kapone32
pump is also different than almost all closed AIO (except EK/Arctic/AC), and the main reason for me to get it,
as virtually all pump fails had the asetek crap in it.
Its not on the level of a D5, but it has better flow than the asetek stuff and can actually be throttled,
most asetek will not even run when doing more than 25% throttling.

 

[Fouquin]

You bought several air coolers through all them years.

For a counter point: I know of a few people who bought the Zalman CNPS 9700 for AM2/939 and still use the exact same cooler on their current Ryzen systems nearly 14 years later. $60 for the cooler and it doesn't look like it'll be obsolete any time soon.

 

[Assimilator]

I don't need numbers to tell me that AIO coolers including the Alphacool Eisbaer are junk.

Don't make a claim unless you're willing to back it up with something. Otherwise you're just expressing an opinion, and while you're welcome to do that, if you express said opinion in a way that is harsh or insulting, you will come across as a troll. And nobody likes those.

For a counter point: I know of a few people who bought the Zalman CNPS 9700 for AM2/939 and still use the exact same cooler on their current Ryzen systems nearly 14 years later. $60 for the cooler and it doesn't look like it'll be obsolete any time soon.

I feel like *everyone* (including me!) owned a CNPS and/or TRUE cooler at some stage in their PC building career, they were just so damn good. It just shows how little innovation there has been in the air cooling space.

 

[HTC]

For a counter point: I know of a few people who bought the Zalman CNPS 9700 for AM2/939 and still use the exact same cooler on their current Ryzen systems nearly 14 years later. $60 for the cooler and it doesn't look like it'll be obsolete any time soon.

Not as old but i'm using an NH-C14 cooler that i have for over 10 years with my Ryzen.

There has indeed been little innovation in the cooling space, like @Assimilator said.

 

[Waldorf]

I would love to see an(y) air cooler having a shroud covering left/right (or top/bottom) sides of the cooler and extend until the (top or rear) exhaust fan,
to completely discharge the hot air outside, instead of dumping it inside the case.
Then it would really be easy to see how much of a difference in temps you get (between air and water).

 

[Deleted member 185158]

For a counter point: I know of a few people who bought the Zalman CNPS 9700 for AM2/939 and still use the exact same cooler on their current Ryzen systems nearly 14 years later. $60 for the cooler and it doesn't look like it'll be obsolete any time soon.

I never did say there are exceptions, I should have stated that. Thanks for the reminder to do that more often.

Tell me though.... That cooler ran my FX-55 at 55c. How does it fair today on a modern processor? Screen shots? Rig Pics?

 

[Mr.Scott]

I would love to see an(y) air cooler having a shroud covering left/right (or top/bottom) sides of the cooler and extend until the (top or rear) exhaust fan,
to completely discharge the hot air outside, instead of dumping it inside the case.
Then it would really be easy to see how much of a difference in temps you get (between air and water).

You mean like an OEM XPS cooler.

 

[cucker tarlson]

make clcs cheaper and more efficient,like liqud freezer II.

 

[Mr.Scott]

Tell me though.... That cooler ran my FX-55 at 55c. How does it fair today on a modern processor? Screen shots? Rig Pics?

IMO, not good enough.
I have TRUE coolers that kill that Zalman on current gen stuff and they're adequate at best.

 

[Waldorf]

@Mr.Scott
ay, forgot about that.
but only cause i never liked/recommended XPS rigs (vs what i could build)