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As title states my brand new 64GB of G.Skill ram shows as 2133MHz despite being 3600MHz CL16 ones. They are on the qvl of my Asus Crosshair VIII Hero X570 mobo. which i run with my Ryzen 3950X. Whole build is new.

Why is this happening - and do i just change it in BIOS or how do i get them to run as they should? New to building.

Thanks.
 
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Yes must set up in BIOS. Set RAM voltage to 1.35v. Set RAM speed to 3600MT/s (1733MHz). Leave timings in auto for now (not X.M.P.). See if it gets you into windows. If not, add some SoC voltage. Once you are good to go then you can work on overclocking them higher than 3600MT/s or going for tighter timings. I suggest you read 1USMUS' guide, and your motherboard manual.

 
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Yes must set up in BIOS. Set RAM voltage to 1.35v. Set RAM speed to 3600MT/s (1733MHz). Leave timings in auto for now (not X.M.P.). See if it gets you into windows. If not, add some SoC voltage. Once you are good to go then you can work on overclocking them higher than 3600MT/s or going for tighter timings. I suggest you read 1USMUS' guide, and your motherboard manual.


I've got the same RAM and an Asus 570 MB and at least for me this won't work as the 3600 settings are XMP and what he is at now is with XMP off. If I have XMP off it won't clock higher than 3200. I would just enable DOCP(XMP), set the voltage if you want to but the XMP setting should set it at 1.35.
 
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I've got the same RAM and an Asus 570 MB and at least for me this won't work as the 3600 settings are XMP and what he is at now is with XMP off. If I have XMP off it won't clock higher than 3200. I would just enable DOCP(XMP), set the voltage if you want to but the XMP setting should set it at 1.35.

You are just asking for problems by enabling the X.M.P. timings that are tuned for Intel memory controller. In auto it should put the timings at JEDEC which should be plenty loose enough for 3600MT/s. Tighten them after you find tour maximum frequency. Also add IMC and SA voltage as necessary to get it to work. If your board traces suck then you might also need more DRAM voltage to improve signal strength. Read your motherboard manual and learn all of your BIOS settings before attempting to go beyond AM4 specification.
 

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Hi there- I have a similar combo and experienced exactly the same issue as OP. First off the original bios has an issue and getting to 3600 was impossible with the NEOs - I could do 3200 at 14cl but it would not boot at 3600 even when using D.O.C.P. So first thing - update your bios to 1201 which is the latest and hey presto the NEOs are all good. DOCP or manual up to you - I use DOCP which will automatically lock in 1.35V which is the recommended voltage. I also lock in FLCK at 1800. Small issue but the DOCP leaves trc on auto which is incorrect - lock in 52 for the correct setting. That should solve your issues. NB I can do the NEOs @ 3600 at 14cl with 1.44V but have opted for the standard for multiple reasons.
 
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You are just asking for problems by enabling the X.M.P. timings that are tuned for Intel memory controller. In auto it should put the timings at JEDEC which should be plenty loose enough for 3600MT/s. Tighten them after you find tour maximum frequency. Also add IMC and SA voltage as necessary to get it to work. If your board traces suck then you might also need more DRAM voltage to improve signal strength. Read your motherboard manual and learn all of your BIOS settings before attempting to go beyond AM4 specification.

Sorry but your understanding of XMP is flawed. And lol on the reading tips. Thanks man. XMP is just a beefed up set of timings and voltage. What kind of "trouble" am I asking for by using it? The worst that would happen is not booting. If you are going to be overclocking and tightening timings, this will happen anyway. If you boot and are stable with XMP enabled you are just fine and for most this works but telling AMD users to never enable XMP is just not right.

BTW, I'm running well beyond the XMP spec of my memory but XMP ran great on all sticks I've used it on. Yes some sets of memory may have timings for Intel but they can also use it for AMD. Just do your research before buying them.

At least with my MB, if I turn off XMP and put it at 3600 it won't boot or if I set all manual settings but disable XMP, Windows boots extremely slow and won't load past the login screen. I HAVE to have it enabled. JEDEC for my sticks is 15-15-15-50. That's more like an end goal at 3600 than "loose timings" to find your max freq. But you are on the right track. But in the end go auto XMP at the rated speed or if you want to OC go manual for everything with a couple exceptions. But getting the max freq you leave all but primary on auto till you find it then you want to go manual.

To get there I used these:

DDR4 OC Guide
Demystifying Memory Overclocking on Ryzen: OC Guidelines and Explaining Subtimings, Resistances, Voltages, and More!

Lot's of great info there. I summed up the bit about finding max freq on Ryzen 3000:
  1. Set DRAM voltage to 1.40v. If you're using Micron/SpecTek ICs, excluding Rev. E, set 1.35v.
  2. Set primary timings to 16-20-20-40 (tCL-tRCD-tRP-tRAS).
  3. Make sure that the Infinity Fabric frequency (FCLK) is set to half your effective DRAM frequency.
  4. Increase the DRAM frequency until it doesn't boot into Windows any more. (Manually set FCLK past 3600)
  5. Run a memory tester of your choice.
  6. If you crash/freeze/BSOD or get an error, drop the DRAM frequency by a notch and test again. If stable save the profile in the bios
Here you can either tighten up the timings or go for an even higher freq.
To go higher:
  1. Loosen primary timings to 18-22-22-42
  2. Increase DRAM voltage to 1.45v.
  3. Repeat steps 4-6 from above.
  4. Once stable tighten up the timings
It's all a PITA and took me an entire weekend plus a bit more random and unneeded fiddling till I just left it alone. I know I can tighten things up more (not going past 3800) but that's for another day. Lots of fun and frustration but worth it. If you can get some B-die I highly recommend it.
 

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Guys thanks for the tips. But - and please don’t get me wrong here - i’m not trying to build a spaceship in order to go to the moon. Remember i’m new to this, and i am not looking to overclock for the moment - so all these terms you are throwing around: “jedec, pita, fclk, docp” is like speaking chinese to me....and i’m not chinese just to make it clear.

I just want it up and running in the most basic/easy way for now, all the manual stuff i will eventually research, but now my priority is just hitting the 3600MHz i paid for, without having to fiddle with timings, voltages, etc.

So again, do i just activate XMP and that’s it - i’m good to go from there - or do i need to do more in BIOS?
 
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This kit?

It is optimized for Ryzen, has your motherboard in QVL and pretty sure 3950X is best bet for memory anyway.
Activating XMP should be one-and-done deal in this situation.
 
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This kit?

It is optimized for Ryzen, has your motherboard in QVL and pretty sure 3950X is best bet for memory anyway.
Activating XMP should be one-and-done deal in this situation.

Unfortunately "only" this:


Does your comment still apply?
 
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Yes. The entire Trident Z Neo series is AMD optimized, that is kind of its main selling point.
 
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Unfortunately "only" this:


Does your comment still apply?
Yes, according to G.Skill this kit is compatible with X570 crosshair VIII hero.

When you enter BIOS, are you on easy mode?
The one that has all general info of the system with memory on the right side?
 
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Guys thanks for the tips. But - and please don’t get me wrong here - i’m not trying to build a spaceship in order to go to the moon. Remember i’m new to this, and i am not looking to overclock for the moment - so all these terms you are throwing around: “jedec, pita, fclk, docp” is like speaking chinese to me....and i’m not chinese just to make it clear.

I just want it up and running in the most basic/easy way for now, all the manual stuff i will eventually research, but now my priority is just hitting the 3600MHz i paid for, without having to fiddle with timings, voltages, etc.

So again, do i just activate XMP and that’s it - i’m good to go from there - or do i need to do more in BIOS?
By default the system loads at a low speed (called JEDEC) for the platform for compatibility reasons.

64GB and that speed is going to take effort and manual tweaking. Typically XMP does in fact work on AMD (especially if it is on your QVL list as that is where it is tested - right @damric?). That said, if it actually works depends on the IMC (Integrated memory controller) and how good it is.

I would be sure you are on the latest motherboard bios and try to enable XMP/DOCP. If it doesn't boot, add a bit of SOC voltage (voltage for the IMC) and see if it gets squared away.. But due to the 64GB and 'high' speed (for the platform) XMP/DOCP likely isn't possible.

Although you are not an overclocker, knowing what voltage is for what will help you in your endeavor here since it may not be plug and play. ;)
 

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Guys thanks for the tips. But - and please don’t get me wrong here - i’m not trying to build a spaceship in order to go to the moon. Remember i’m new to this, and i am not looking to overclock for the moment - so all these terms you are throwing around: “jedec, pita, fclk, docp” is like speaking chinese to me....and i’m not chinese just to make it clear.

I just want it up and running in the most basic/easy way for now, all the manual stuff i will eventually research, but now my priority is just hitting the 3600MHz i paid for, without having to fiddle with timings, voltages, etc.

So again, do i just activate XMP and that’s it - i’m good to go from there - or do i need to do more in BIOS?
Well, the thing is 3600 is only supported by overclocking, so you'll pretty much have to get your hands dirty ;)
Without overclocking, Ryzen supports up to 3200 memory. But manufacturers are lazy and only include profiles for 2133 and the advertised speeds. The profile for advertised speeds is XMP, so it is only enabled on demand. You haven't enabled that and haven't overclocked manually, thus your RAM starts at the default 2133 frequency.
 
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1st. @EarthDog yes*

*in theory, but really no.

I'm going to explain this, but I got to start baby steps first so bare with me.

JEDEC. What is it?

It's an industry wide standard set so that any RAM (of the same generation) can run on any motherboard, with any CPU, whether that be Ryzen, Ryzen+, Ryzen 2, or Skylake, or whatever. Example: you buy a random stick of RAM, you put it into your new motherboard and CPU that just came out of the box, turn it on and it POSTS. It might not be at the speed and timings that are advertised on your box, because if it is faster than JEDEC spec, then it is considered overclocking.

jedec ddr4 standards.png


Example JEDEC DDR4, these are always the same and 1.2v, and that's the point of JEDEC:


Example: You bought some Neo 3600MT/s because it has shiny lights even though you have no idea how RAM really works. You put it in your motherboard and it posts at one of the JEDEC speeds programmed into the SPD table on the RAM, probably 2133MT/s CL15. You get pissed, so you post here, and here we are. Now if you enter your BIOS and set frequency to 3200MT/s and leave everything on AUTO (not X.M.P.), it should POST with the DDR4-3200 JEDEC frequency and timings, CL20...but at least it will work. It's guaranteed to work if your RAM and CPU are rated that high because it's an industry standard.

Now what about X.M.P.?

That is an Intel standard, period. It's spec'd by Intel in cooperation with the memory manufacturer to work on Intel memory controllers.


Yes @EarthDog here is a processor QVL :)

Can it work on AMD. Yes, sometimes it can, but it is not guaranteed because the timings are often too aggressive for AMD memory controller without additional tuning.

Some memory manufacturers will advertise "AMD ready", and what that means is they loosened some secondary timings in the X.M.P. profile so it's more likely to work, but still not guaranteed without some manual tuning.

In the past, AMD tried to come up with an equivalent standard for AMD processors called A.M.P. but that never really caught on with vendors. Hopefully if AMD gets the resources, we will see A.M.P. again with an AMD QVL.

But, but, but my QVL???

You read it on a QVL, so you still think it's just going to work out of the box right?

First of all, there's technically actually 3 QVL's: one for the processor, once for the motherboard, and one for the RAM.

Example: Ryzen 2 is guaranteed to work with RAM speed up to JEDEC 3200MT/s per AMD specification. Any faster than that is not guaranteed and is considered overclocking.

AMD RYZEN SPEC SHEET See they only cover JEDEC speeds, but of course you can overclock to go faster out of spec.

INTEL X.M.P. QVL See how detailed it is with specifics like BIOS version ect, but still does not tell you what voltages were used on the memory controller itself.

Your motherboard manufacturer has a QVL, but they don't tell you exactly what settings they used. They could have checked the RAM at JEDEC speeds, or X.M.P. or manually tuned. They don't specify what voltages they used. They could have had a silicon lottery memory controller, or maybe not. Maybe they pushed 1.4v through the memory controller and 1.5v through the DIMM, maybe they didn't. Every board manufacturer has a different method of validation, so if you are only looking at your motherboard QVL then you are a fool. Go ahead, email support from each company and see how many totally different answers you get. You won't get anything in writing except some generic marketing talk, and that's because they don't want to get sued.

ALSO THEY DON'T TELL YOU WHAT BIOS THEY USED FOR THE TEST.

Example of an X570 QVL and that's one of the more detailed ones.

Your memory manufacturer also has a QVL. See motherboard QVL. Example OMG they don't tell you anything useful at all in that one.

Still trusting those QVLs?

Ok now all of the above is true and not refutable. Call it the ten commandments of RAM or whatever you want. But that doesn't mean you can't tune your RAM for more performance. You just need to learn how. I would start by reading your motherboard manual and getting familiar with the terms in your BIOS. I would stay away from forums like Reddit and Github and stick with reading guides from veteran overclockers like 1USMUS. His Ryzen memory software is pretty nice too and will get you in the ballpark of what your platform is capable.

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You read it on a QVL, so you still think it's just going to work out of the box right?

First of all, there's technically actually 3 QVL's: one for the processor, once for the motherboard, and one for the RAM.
The reason why it will not work out of the box isn't because it is not multiple QVL lists (which, I've never seen one for a processor - they just rate max for the platform) is because of the environment. Read: the bios version and the quality of the IMC on the CPU (and of course the sticks).
Your motherboard manufacturer has a QVL, but they don't tell you exactly what settings they used. They could have checked the RAM at JEDEC speeds, or X.M.P. or manually tuned. They don't specify what voltages they used. They could have had a silicon lottery memory controller, or maybe not. Maybe they pushed 1.4v through the memory controller and 1.5v through the DIMM, maybe they didn't. Every board manufacturer has a different method of validation, so if you are only looking at your motherboard QVL then you are a fool. Go ahead, email support from each company and see how many totally different answers you get.
This is actually the reason why I tagged, you... I told you already I heard back from GSkill and they stated their list is tested at the speeds of the sticks. Not JEDEC, not manually tuned timings, XMP/DOCP - what the sticks are rated for on the box. As far as voltage for the CPU, of course SOC voltage (AMD, SA/IO for Intel) may be changed when running faster than spec... it is what it is... and that will vary from system to system. But DRAM voltage is tested at what it is rated on the box. All they are saying is, "yes, these work as described on this motherboard at the rated speeds on the box". I've NEVER EVER double checked against multiple (mobo and memory) QVL lists. I think I'm about 100+/100+ over the last 15 years..........and clearly not a fool.

For the record, I heard back from a mobo vendor as well, same story... if it is on the QVL, it is tested at the rated speeds and voltage for the sticks. Please, stop the FUD there.
 
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The reason why it will not work out of the box isn't because it is not multiple QVL lists (which, I've never seen one for a processor - they just rate max for the platform) is because of the environment. Read: the bios version and the quality of the IMC on the CPU (and of course the sticks).
This is actually the reason why I tagged, you... I told you already I heard back from GSkill and they stated their list is tested at the speeds of the sticks. Not JEDEC, not manually tuned timings, XMP/DOCP - what the sticks are rated for on the box. As far as voltage for the CPU, of course SOC voltage (AMD, SA/IO for Intel) may be changed when running faster than spec... it is what it is... and that will vary from system to system. But DRAM voltage is tested at what it is rated on the box. All they are saying is, "yes, these work as described on this motherboard at the rated speeds on the box". I've NEVER EVER double checked against multiple (mobo and memory) QVL lists. I think I'm about 100+/100+ over the last 15 years..........and clearly not a fool.

For the record, I heard back from a mobo vendor as well, same story... if it is on the QVL, it is tested at the rated speeds and voltage for the sticks. Please, stop the FUD there.

Check multiple vendors and compare notes. BTW G.Skill offered me a job about 8 years ago but I turned them down.

There is nothing I stated above that is wrong. JEDEC is JEDEC. You cannot refute that. X.M.P. is X.M.P. You can not refute that.
 
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Check multiple vendors and compare notes. BTW G.Skill offered me a job about 8 years ago but I turned them down.

There is nothing I stated above that is wrong. JEDEC is JEDEC. You cannot refute that. X.M.P. is X.M.P. You can not refute that.
As I said, I reached out and heard back from a memory vendor and mobo vendor... so far 2/2 (they test at rated speeds and voltage of the sticks). I'll let you know when I hear back from others. But, it isn't looking good. Funny how it was initially a broad statement about vendors testing on auto, now the story is all are different...whatever fits the narrative I guess..... :(

The FUD you are spreading is in reference to checking multiple QVL lists and how vendors test...again, 2/2 so far... I will let you know if that changes.
 
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Benchmark Scores Faster than yours... I'd bet on it. :)
You can see AMD's Ryzen memory specification here:


Not sure what's in your noggin, but I am an ETN, and if you know what that is then you know where you are on the knowledge food chain.
Yes, Ryzen specifications... they all say 3200 MHz for Zen2 (Zen+ is 2933, Zen is 2666...) as that is the max spec for the platform(s). This is NOT a QVL list for CPUs. It is a specification for the IMC.

Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt. Stop the spread!
 
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Stahp! Don't make me thread ban you both after you gave good help to OP. :)
 
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Stahp! Don't make me thread ban you both after you gave good help to OP. :)

Sorry I didn't see your message until after I posted again.

I'm going to leave.

There is no doubt in my mind that @EarthDog is intelligent, informed (somewhat), and is a competent system tuner. OP, he won't lead you wrong, even though we differ on our train of thoughts here.

But I'll leave you with this:


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Guys thanks for the tips. But - and please don’t get me wrong here - i’m not trying to build a spaceship in order to go to the moon. Remember i’m new to this, and i am not looking to overclock for the moment - so all these terms you are throwing around: “jedec, pita, fclk, docp” is like speaking chinese to me....and i’m not chinese just to make it clear.

I just want it up and running in the most basic/easy way for now, all the manual stuff i will eventually research, but now my priority is just hitting the 3600MHz i paid for, without having to fiddle with timings, voltages, etc.

So again, do i just activate XMP and that’s it - i’m good to go from there - or do i need to do more in BIOS?
Yes, just enter the BIOS and enter Advanced Mode, then click on the AI Tweaking Tab and set the AI Overclock Tuner setting to DOCP.
It should automatically select the correct DOCP (XMP) Profile for your RAM kit.
It should be similar to this (except yours should be 3600, not 3200):
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Yes, according to G.Skill this kit is compatible with X570 crosshair VIII hero.

When you enter BIOS, are you on easy mode?
The one that has all general info of the system with memory on the right side?
Yes as default i am. But can enter advanced mode no prob.?
 
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Throw away everything snootch posted. He's wrong. I've been a member of JEDEC for years, 24 year electronics engineer, ETN, blah, blah, blah...

1st. @EarthDog yes*

*in theory, but really no.

I'm going to explain this, but I got to start baby steps first so bare with me.

JEDEC. What is it?

It's an industry wide standard set so that any RAM (of the same generation) can run on any motherboard, with any CPU, whether that be Ryzen, Ryzen+, Ryzen 2, or Skylake, or whatever. Example: you buy a random stick of RAM, you put it into your new motherboard and CPU that just came out of the box, turn it on and it POSTS. It might not be at the speed and timings that are advertised on your box, because if it is faster than JEDEC spec, then it is considered overclocking.

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Example JEDEC DDR4, these are always the same and 1.2v, and that's the point of JEDEC:


Example: You bought some Neo 3600MT/s because it has shiny lights even though you have no idea how RAM really works. You put it in your motherboard and it posts at one of the JEDEC speeds programmed into the SPD table on the RAM, probably 2133MT/s CL15. You get pissed, so you post here, and here we are. Now if you enter your BIOS and set frequency to 3200MT/s and leave everything on AUTO (not X.M.P.), it should POST with the DDR4-3200 JEDEC frequency and timings, CL20...but at least it will work. It's guaranteed to work if your RAM and CPU are rated that high because it's an industry standard.

Now what about X.M.P.?

That is an Intel standard, period. It's spec'd by Intel in cooperation with the memory manufacturer to work on Intel memory controllers.


Yes @EarthDog here is a processor QVL :)

Can it work on AMD. Yes, sometimes it can, but it is not guaranteed because the timings are often too aggressive for AMD memory controller without additional tuning.

Some memory manufacturers will advertise "AMD ready", and what that means is they loosened some secondary timings in the X.M.P. profile so it's more likely to work, but still not guaranteed without some manual tuning.

In the past, AMD tried to come up with an equivalent standard for AMD processors called A.M.P. but that never really caught on with vendors. Hopefully if AMD gets the resources, we will see A.M.P. again with an AMD QVL.

But, but, but my QVL???

You read it on a QVL, so you still think it's just going to work out of the box right?

First of all, there's technically actually 3 QVL's: one for the processor, once for the motherboard, and one for the RAM.

Example: Ryzen 2 is guaranteed to work with RAM speed up to JEDEC 3200MT/s per AMD specification. Any faster than that is not guaranteed and is considered overclocking.

AMD RYZEN SPEC SHEET See they only cover JEDEC speeds, but of course you can overclock to go faster out of spec.

INTEL X.M.P. QVL See how detailed it is with specifics like BIOS version ect, but still does not tell you what voltages were used on the memory controller itself.

Your motherboard manufacturer has a QVL, but they don't tell you exactly what settings they used. They could have checked the RAM at JEDEC speeds, or X.M.P. or manually tuned. They don't specify what voltages they used. They could have had a silicon lottery memory controller, or maybe not. Maybe they pushed 1.4v through the memory controller and 1.5v through the DIMM, maybe they didn't. Every board manufacturer has a different method of validation, so if you are only looking at your motherboard QVL then you are a fool. Go ahead, email support from each company and see how many totally different answers you get. You won't get anything in writing except some generic marketing talk, and that's because they don't want to get sued.

ALSO THEY DON'T TELL YOU WHAT BIOS THEY USED FOR THE TEST.

Example of an X570 QVL and that's one of the more detailed ones.

Your memory manufacturer also has a QVL. See motherboard QVL. Example OMG they don't tell you anything useful at all in that one.

Still trusting those QVLs?

Ok now all of the above is true and not refutable. Call it the ten commandments of RAM or whatever you want. But that doesn't mean you can't tune your RAM for more performance. You just need to learn how. I would start by reading your motherboard manual and getting familiar with the terms in your BIOS. I would stay away from forums like Reddit and Github and stick with reading guides from veteran overclockers like 1USMUS. His Ryzen memory software is pretty nice too and will get you in the ballpark of what your platform is capable.

Edited for spelling, swearing, and added some more links including CPU QVL for @EarthDog
I don't see how everything I said was wrong. And I was simply telling what I had experienced but I was mainly responding to the statement that AMD users should not use XMP because it's all designed for Intel. You said what I said in that memory manufacturers will time XMP for Ryzen specifically. All I said was try XMP or in his case DOCP (Asus). Reading what you wrote makes it seem like getting RAM rated and sold at 3600 and for Ryzen that there's good chance it won't work. Sure it's anecdotal but if it was as bad as you say, there'd be a lot more people posting about it. So you can say all you want about it and specs and blah blah blah, but I just don't see it in the real world.

Also, and this is just how it is on the Asus board I have, if I turn off DOCP, and put in all manual settings including voltages, I can not get stable past 3200mhz. If I then just enable DOCP, leaving all the same timings I had before, I'm performing beautifully.

I don't want to get into it any further with you because you are obviously the smartest one on this board, but I do have to question that by blindly discounting anyone else other than 1usmus and to stick to his guides. First off, his Ryzen overclocking guide hasn't been updated since April of last year and doesn't cover Zen 2 at all since well, it wasn't out yet. And second, you talk about XMP and how "Intel" it is while praising the Mem calculator which bases all of it's timings on what? JEDEC?? No, XMP profiles on the chip. At least on my sticks his 3600mhz Safe timings were identical to XMP.

I'm not claiming to know everything, I'm not a electrical engineer, but claiming that every single thing I said was wrong then you go on to actually back up a lot of what I said is odd to me. And for everyone else, don't limit yourself in learning all of this stuff. Reddit and a ton of other sites (odd you said not to listen to anyone on Github) have a ton of good info. If you limit yourself to a single source you're only limiting yourself. /r/AMD on reddit has A LOT of good info and AMD themselves are very active on the board.
 
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