Maps, science, data & statistics tracking of COVID-19

[TheLostSwede]

This is the type of attitude I hate coming from general public as well as governmental officials.

Data coming from China so they are bad? What the F is wrong with people? The US research labs had to relay on the Chinese researchers to provide crucial initial genetic information regarding the virus from the get go. So you want to throw everything "from China" out of the window?




Here, this MOFO genome of the virus where every major researcher relies on, coming from China

Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 isolate Wuhan-Hu-1, co - Nucleotide - NCBI

Look at the author list:
AUTHORS Wu,F., Zhao,S., Yu,B., Chen,Y.-M., Wang,W., Hu,Y., Song,Z.-G.,
Tao,Z.-W., Tian,J.-H., Pei,Y.-Y., Yuan,M.L., Zhang,Y.-L.,
Dai,F.-H., Liu,Y., Wang,Q.-M., Zheng,J.-J., Xu,L., Holmes,E.C. and
Zhang,Y.-Z.

Oh bunch Chinese! Must be fake genome!

F*CK THIS



Jesus FKING Christ I am starting to loose it seeing all of these political BS during this horrible time. Once again, virus do not give a f*ck about your race, nationailty or political BS. WE ARE ALL EQUALLY MEAT TO THEM.


Quarantine works: When the Chinese did it all the media spin was "Inhumane, bad China bad" When Italy had to do it all of a sudden it becomes acceptable. If most of the western nations did not sit on their collective fat asses and pointing fingers; if these nations actually listened to all of the researchers and started actions way earlier all of this could have been avoided!


Also for you nutcases believe this is some bio-weapon, take some time to read this Nature Medicine paper just published this week. It explains all you need to know

Researchers ≠ Government.

You're mixing things up here. I don't trust anything from the Chinese government either, for very good reasons.
Try living in Taiwan or Hong Kong for a few years and I'm sure your views will change pretty rapidly.

Let me explain my stance. My wife is Taiwanese. She has family connections in Hong Kong, Taiwan, and China. I've seen first hand the information that is provided to the public there as well as to the world over the years, and it is my personal belief that anything the Chinese government allows to be published or released has to be taken with a grain of salt, and compared.

eh, too far off topic. My statement regarding data from China is from a personal experience and exposure. I only intend to refer to being wary of the data provided to the world from the Chinese government.

Also, this ^
Note that grain should be replaced with shovels.

Why?

Because it's not the first time they've done this. They reported that the African swine flu wasn't a problem in China, yet they'd already starting culling pigs. A few months later, it turned out it was a disaster in China. Now they've even started to import pork from the US, as there's a severe shortage in China. If they can do that do something that doesn't actually affect human beings, what do you think they'll do when there's a disease that kills human beings?
Also keep in mind that the doctors that wanted to spread the word initially, were all told to stop spreading fake news and some even got gagged by the government in Hubei.
The Wuhan virus had free spread for about two months, based on current known data, before any attempts were made to stop it from spreading.
So yes, the official numbers are not trustworthy.

 

[rtwjunkie]

The New Orleans area’s cases are growing out of control. It’s in the top 5 per Capita in the U.S., which means it has the potential to overload the health system, which is usually also based on a per capita figure.

Finally my employer has relented and we will be teleworking, starting Monday. 2 have to come into the office each day, so occasional drive in will be ok.

347 Louisiana cases, with the vast majority in New Orleans itself. 8 deaths, of which half were over 80.

Louisiana COVID-19 Interactive Map 2021

Use the map below to see where all of the cases of the coronavirus in Louisiana have been reported so far.

www.wwltv.com

 

[Zyll Goliat]

Researchers ≠ Government.

You're mixing things up here. I don't trust anything from the Chinese government either, for very good reasons.
Try living in Taiwan or Hong Kong for a few years and I'm sure your views will change pretty rapidly.


Also, this ^
Note that grain should be replaced with shovels.


Because it's not the first time they've done this. They reported that the African swine flu wasn't a problem in China, yet they'd already starting culling pigs. A few months later, it turned out it was a disaster in China. Now they've even started to import pork from the US, as there's a severe shortage in China.

I totally understand why you have your doubts and I personally have my doubts in my government and in a matter of fact almost all governments in the world or some of their leading politicians have tendencies to lie but still we should act reasonable in situations like this one and think what is the Best for us and the rest of the humanity and seems like that Chinese measures have the positive effect and atm their experts have the most experience and I am glad that many of them are coming in my country in a few days to help our doctors in fight Vs Covid-19.....

 

[the54thvoid]

The New Orleans area’s cases are growing out of control. It’s in the top 5 per Capita in the U.S., which means it has the potential to overload the health system, which is usually also based on a per capita figure.

Finally my employer has relented and we will be teleworking, starting Monday. 2 have to come into the office each day, so occasional drive in will be ok.

347 Louisiana cases, with the vast majority in New Orleans itself. 8 deaths, of which half were over 80.

Louisiana COVID-19 Interactive Map 2021

Use the map below to see where all of the cases of the coronavirus in Louisiana have been reported so far.

www.wwltv.com

It's kinda sad reading your updates. Wildfire comes to mind. Your reporting is greatly appreciated and coming from you, its devoid of hysteria and conjecture. We've got a long path on this one and I hope it doesnt come too close to your door. I visited my mother (73) in the week and I told her it wasn't a trivial matter - for her age group it's a 1 in 7 lottery. She told me to fuck off . I love my mum. Moreso now my dad passed last year.

 

[TheLostSwede]

I totally understand why you have your doubts and I personally have my doubts in my government and in a matter of fact almost all governments in the world or some of their leading politicians have tendencies to lie but still we should act reasonable in situations like this one and think what is the Best for us and the rest of the humanity and seems like that Chinese measures have the positive effect and atm their experts have the most experience and I am glad that many of them are coming in my country in a few days to help our doctors.....

I don't doubt the experts, but the Chinese government apparently is. They fired a top specialist and replaced him with someone that believes Chinese medicine can cure this virus

China coronavirus expert removed for rejecting Chinese herbal therapy: Report | Taiwan News | Mar. 12, 2020 12:56

Xi Jinping advocates employing traditional Chinese medicine in fight against Wuhan virus | Mar. 12, 2020 12:56

www.taiwannews.com.tw

Hong Kong isn't exactly trusting the information from the Chinese government either.

What is China not telling us about the novel coronavirus?

What is China not telling the world about the novel coronavirus?

www.scmp.com

 

[the54thvoid]

Getting really pissed off with all the 'I don't trust China' posts. I get it. We get it. Move on and stay on topic.

FTR, China isnt the only country spouting shite about this virus. There are other world leaders suppressing the extent of it, or denying it's a problem.

 

[rtwjunkie]

It's kinda sad reading your updates. Wildfire comes to mind. Your reporting is greatly appreciated and coming from you, its devoid of hysteria and conjecture. We've got a long path on this one and I hope it doesnt come too close to your door. I visited my mother (73) in the week and I told her it wasn't a trivial matter - for her age group it's a 1 in 7 lottery. She told me to fuck off . I love my mum. Moreso now my dad passed last year.

It sounds like your mum has some good fighting spirit! That can be all the difference.

My ability to telework comes a bit too late though in some respects. Rather than contend with what I might bring home, we made the decision to send my wife (who works exclusively from home) to go live with her daughter (who is working from home for two months) for a couple months. Oh well, I still have the one day a week I must go into the office, so I’m sure it’s for the best.

 

[biffzinker]

US is now at 13,060 confirmed, not panicking but I'm certainly not happy with the direction this headed.

What doesn't help me is I'm in constant contact with the general public where I work.

 

[HTC]

Why?

Already replied by @TheLostSwede

Getting really pissed off with all the 'I don't trust China' posts. I get it. We get it. Move on and stay on topic.

FTR, China isnt the only country spouting shite about this virus. There are other world leaders suppressing the extent of it, or denying it's a problem.

Apologies, for my part.

Indeed: the most recent example comes from Brazil's President, who's trying to cover his head ... with a mask ...

It's beyond baffling how, in the face of all the current evidence worldwide, some leaders STILL think this isn't a SERIOUS case.

 

[TheLostSwede]

Getting really pissed off with all the 'I don't trust China' posts. I get it. We get it. Move on and stay on topic.

FTR, China isnt the only country spouting shite about this virus. There are other world leaders suppressing the extent of it, or denying it's a problem.

Please, do me a favour, go live in China for a year, then come back and have the same sentiment. Or even, a year in Hong Kong or Taiwan. Your views will change a lot.
I never said the Chinese government isn't the only one you can't trust, I'm skeptical against all of the "super powers" out there, as they hide a lot of things.
Maybe this was the wrong thread, but it was a reply to someone.

 

[rtwjunkie]

I’m very impressed with the map makers. They have done a Herculean job of ensuring current accuracy.

Our numbers for Louisiana are released twice per day. This evening we reported a jump to 392 cases and 10 deaths, which is what the map reports.

Of interest is the Governor today stated the state’s healthcare system is 7 days from being overburdened. At that point the deaths will start climbing quickly. New Orleans with 70% of the cases could get overburdened in less than 7 days.

 

[robot zombie]

@rtwjunkie 432 in Florida with 9 deaths... spooky.

I've been going back and forth with my Dad since it all started. He still maintains that it's wait-and-see, even as I point to the numbers in all states rapidly climbing. I mentioned how Florida doubles on some days and never less than a 30% increase in cases daily. No lie, his argument is "Well if it's inevitable why hasn't it showed up in our county?" And I'm like "You don't get it, it is only starting."

Today we had our first case and he had less to say.

But he will not admit to the distinct possibility that it's the beginning of an inevitable long ride. To him, we just don't know what will happen yet. And all I can think is "C'mon! You watch the news twice a day and yet you still think that? How. (Period, no question mark.)" I think in his mind, I'm just spelling doom and gloom but all I've ever argued for is that we're gonna be dealing with this for a long time. Just looking at literally everywhere else so far, I feel like it's safe to deduce that we now have, where we live, an extremely contagious novel virus that gradually spreads to huge amounts of people, necessitating for a lot of normal life to stop for indefinite periods of time - this happens every single time. You don't exactly need a crystal ball to see that, haha. At a minimum you can expect a lot of major disruptions and closures. It doesn't mean we're gonna be the next Italy, but things are gonna be real for a while.

He's not the only one I've met here who still has that attitude about it. People are still packing into the few restaurants that remain open and chillin on still-crowded beaches. I don't wanna be pessimistic about it but I get this vibe of false complacency in the area. Like, because not much is being said people assume all is mostly normal for now. That's all it is for them. It's like tomorrow isn't actually on the table at all for them.

I myself question the shutdowns... not so much whether they should happen, but how they're implemented... what kind of foresight really goes into them. The more I listen to various officials talk, the less of that I see. It is all in the now... later, later, later. Most people alive now have never seen a real pandemic. But I see a lot of conveying this aura of 'we're figuring it out' and 'its under control' or 'we are monitoring' which to me is another way of saying 'We don't actually know how what we're planning to do will pan out in terms of stopping the spreading or reducing economic strain.'

But even I can watch as my state's case count increases by consistently bigger numbers, making for 10x more cases in a matter of days, and see the writing on the wall. People here are still waiting for the government to tell them what's going on, so a lot of them are making bear minimum changes and hoping for the best, not even knowing that the first cases are being identified in their own town as they do so. "It's still over there, not over here."

I think that might be a hurdle for many American's specifically. For a while, it was pretty much only "over there" so some folks aren't making the mental transition. Pandemic = "everywhere" but for people now, it's like comprehending the distance to the sun. They know a little about it, maybe had some brushes. But the full reality has never had a chance to be integrated because nobody here has ever lived it... they know that other people have and have a rough idea of what that's like, but that's it. It's something other people have dealt with, not them... in their own minds, and in the experiences that have formed their reality.

I mean, that's part of why all of us here are watching so closely, right? Why others panic and do whatever comes to mind (because reality no longer makes sense - this isn't in thier 'world.) Why others look for blame. Why others still try to explain it away. It's incomprehensible. It's funny to see all of the different ways people react to things they don't understand, but know they need to. You get to see people go through that progression in ways you wouldn't otherwise get to see.

It's kind of a trip to think about. We're actually sort of entering a whole new reality, for everyone, from top to bottom. In some parts of the world it's not new, but for many people alive today it's completely alien. When's the last time everybody had to deal with something like this collectively? The spanish flu was in the early 1900's and I don't think there has been anything like that since. Its kinda like if we had WW2 come back today. People would know the history more than well enough to make basic sense of it, but not fully understand what their own lives were in that context.

 

[1freedude]

@rtwjunkie 432 in Florida with 9 deaths... spooky.

I've been going back and forth with my Dad since it all started. He still maintains that it's wait-and-see, even as I point to the numbers in all states rapidly climbing. I mentioned how Florida doubles on some days and never less than a 30% increase in cases daily. No lie, his argument is "Well if it's inevitable why hasn't it showed up in our county?" And I'm like "You don't get it, it is only starting."

Today we had our first case and he had less to say.

But he will not admit to the distinct possibility that it's the beginning of an inevitable long ride. To him, we just don't know what will happen yet. And all I can think is "C'mon! You watch the news twice a day and yet you still think that? How. (Period, no question mark.)" I think in his mind, I'm just spelling doom and gloom but all I've ever argued for is that we're gonna be dealing with this for a long time.

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I myself question the shutdowns... not so much whether they should happen, but how they're implemented...

So, my immediate family is supposed to be in the Mt. Dora area right now (just north of Orlando). We cancelled our trip because we thought we would bring it there or get sick on the way there from Oregon. I was personally worried about getting stuck there because of flight reductions.

My pop usually has the same attitude as yours, but he is in official quarantine right now, with my mom in NY, because she went down to the same area, and came back ill. He is not the same. Not freaking out, but getting sentimental, making sure we are OK, and telling us to have a good attitude. He is a healthcare worker. My brother is an EMT. I am an incident safety officer. It takes a lot to shake my family. He is shaken.

Unfortunately, I think your pop will get that way too, hopefully before he sees the front line.

DK

 

[robot zombie]

So, my immediate family is supposed to be in the Mt. Dora area right now (just north of Orlando). We cancelled our trip because we thought we would bring it there or get sick on the way there from Oregon. I was personally worried about getting stuck there because of flight reductions.

My pop usually has the same attitude as yours, but he is in official quarantine right now, with my mom in NY, because she went down to the same area, and came back ill. He is not the same. Not freaking out, but getting sentimental, making sure we are OK, and telling us to have a good attitude. He is a healthcare worker. My brother is an EMT. I am an incident safety officer. It takes a lot to shake my family. He is shaken.

Unfortunately, I think your pop will get that way too, hopefully before he sees the front line.

DK

I think deep down inside he does know. I don't know how strongly it comes through on here, but we are too alike in how stubborn we are. If he was my age, he would probably be one of the people going out to eat and doing extra stuff right now. But because he's higher-risk at age 61, he's not actually taking chances. I know my father well enough at this point to just see that it's weighing on him, even if he doesn't show it. He grew up super rough-and-tumble. 70's-style conservative manhood. It's just his way. He's been a great dad to my sister and I for our whole lives - we were primarily raised to be our own people, but in situations like this he always wears shaking things off like a badge of honor. More than once, hurricane-force winds were an hour or two away when I finally convinced him to help me put the shutters up... these massive steel shutters were trying to take us hang-gliding as we wrestled them into the tracks. Sometimes I think it is just my role in the family to temper it and challenge him.

I think it's part of why I'm always very candid about how I see things, but try to be careful to consider where I might have blind-spots, just because I've had to be able to factor-in what he's seeing and lay out balanced comparisons to be able to get him to see what me and usually everyone around him notice he is seemingly deliberately missing. I've had to be able to figure it out organically... basically understand things as though I am him, and then feed it back to him, just as a way of showing I'm not out to argue. Just gotta be aware there's no playing 'Who's right?" with him. He's not as unreasonable as he seems - just very resolute.

You'd think he was just being a narcissist at a glance but in my experience he is sincere and humble when he does realize he's missed something. It's just a legitimate hole in his thinking. I hope I'm not actually like that, too haha. I can understand him, though. He does care, but I think that depending on what a person experiences in their life, they can wind-up with overactive bullshit sensors sometimes. On a larger scale, it seems like with men of that era, it was more expected that they would always maintain that aura of control and not be anybody's fool. But the other side of that is that family always comes first. So he will ultimately prioritize the concerns for his family unit, in spite of his own feelings on it. Sometimes I think that's just his way of dispelling worry.

Very common with the older generations, I think. The working class ones, anyway. Met a lot of the exact same guy around his age working on different construction and repair gigs.

It's funny you mention not traveling here to avoid not only catching it here, but getting sick on the way down. There has been an influx of NY plates here over the past 2 days. I see more NY plates than FL ones. And then on the news a few of the interviewed are saying they came here to get away from the virus.

A day later we would have our first case in the county. Until then we were kind of in the eye of the storm, surrounded by thick, unavoidable bands of counties with growing cases. Really wish they wouldn't have come. Not to say they brought it to us... though I'd believe a few of them brought it with them. Either way, probably did neither us nor them any good. Again, pandemics are new to people in a nitty-gritty sense, so they may not consider that there isn't any running from something like this... because that isn't how they work. I can see it if you have a route where you make no stops, know you're not sick, and plan on staying exactly where you wind up at. It's not hard to see how being away from metropolitan areas can be a lot better. But it's pretty risky in itself. It's a bit late to be relocating now, anyway. It would take a lot for me to risk it, personally.

I can personally say I appreciate your caution and hope you and your family stay well.

 

[biffzinker]

I think deep down inside he does know. I don't know how strongly it comes through on here, but we are too alike in how stubborn we are.

It's likely his way dealing with what is happening.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Personally speaking, i have NO DOUBT the data from China regarding the virus itself is 100% true. Why? Because it's in their best interest the world finds solutions / mitigations for this virus.

I have to agree with this. China is as much on the spot as they are on point. They mess this up on any level and it will have massive negative repercussions for years to come. I believe the science coming out of China is solid because, as was said above, it's very much in their best interests.

That having been said, the thread on COVID19 in the lounge is for the political & social discussion of these issues. This thread was created to track the outbreak and discuss the science of the subject, thus posting it in the Science & Technology SubForum. As the staff have already asked, let's all please stay on topic and take other issues to the other thread.

I’m very impressed with the map makers. They have done a Herculean job of ensuring current accuracy.

They really have. It's one of the reasons I've been impressed by the Johns Hopkins Maps in the OP.

 

[Flanker]

post marked LQ

I hope you don't mind me saying this but that website is literally Fox News Taiwan. If they are not affiliated in anyway, they have the same degree of bias and BS. That news piece right there is such BS. Said specialist hasn't been fired at all and he is still in the news headlines everyday in Chinese news apps talking about current progresses and what not. Herbal meds have proved nothing so far aside from placebo in China.

As for the stats, in earlier stages of the outbreak, they had a lot of trouble getting people(especially those in Hubei) to take this serious. Like the whole nation was screaming SAR 2.0 in horror and you have people in Hubei being all chill and think everyone else is overreacting. Only when the death tolls started mounting, they started to realize this shit is real. So that's one reason why they want to show real data this time.

 

[1freedude]

COVID-19 Updates : Oregon Health Authority

Oregon Health Authority | COVID-19 Updates

govstatus.egov.com

For the Oregon bastards among us. Its not a map, but lots of useful info.

Thanks robot zombie. You have a grasp of your universe that others only dream of.

 

[robot zombie]

COVID-19 Updates : Oregon Health Authority

Oregon Health Authority | COVID-19 Updates

govstatus.egov.com

For the Oregon bastards among us. Its not a map, but lots of useful info.

Thanks robot zombie. You have a grasp of your universe that others only dream of.

That's very nice of you to say. I appreciate that YOU think so

If I am being completely honest I am not all that self-confident. Sometimes I look at other people and wish I had figured-out what they have figured-out. I don't think I've ever fully had a handle on my own life, let alone what's happening around me. I have my own persistent neuroses, which consistently give me too good of reasons to doubt. It's just that everyday fear of life. I often fail to be as patient or honest with myself as I should be. I suppose I do have my compass, even if it often feels like there is no true north. Being self-analytical is a double-edged sword, but there's something to be said of finding trust and forgiveness in and for oneself in ones' flaws. Serenity comes and goes, often against our will. At some points you just gotta know it'll be there when the time is right, and realize it's okay when it's not - nothing wrong with being off-center, so long as you honestly reflect on it when you are back in the pocket. Life comes at ya all of the time, but just as nothing you love is, in truth, entirely what you love it for being, nothing you fear is ever exactly as you fear it to be. I wish I had figured that out a lot sooner than I did, though... and I still forget a good half of the time

I'm really drifting now and I will stop. I do have a point that I think is relevant to this thread, perhaps at least slightly more than the other one in that it's the people in this one who might need to see it more.

I just wanna take a minute to remind people to pull away from all of this SARS II: Electric Boogaloo tomfoolery routinely and swiftly. I think I myself have been watching the numbers and reading too much for my own good. It's not as 'productive' as it seems 'important.' And it is important - gotta always have a handle on things, but it's way too easy to lose sight of yourself in that endeavor. I look around at people who are already consumed and judge them, but a lot of us here are probably doing the same things that lead a person to lose touch with their own self... over-analyzing this constant influx of new information and looming questions... always trying to have a handle on things as often as possible. It's probably not possible to fully grapple right now. It can break you down and muddle your decisions. Within myself, I can sense the anxiety and obsession trickling into places it shouldn't be, regardless of what is happening. I think it only adds more stress when it's all that anybody talks about.

How often have you all read about COVID-19 this past week? How much time a day do you spend thinking/talking about it? What's the percentage rate? What about just having it in the back of your mind?

There will be much to contend with for all of us, but that remains static, whether you spend all of your time focusing on it or not. I could argue that life is this way from start to finish and things like that just make the game we play with this world we've made for ourselves more obvious than usual. There's really never been any such thing as 'business as usual', has there?

The problem will still be there tomorrow and so will the unknowns, and after that, there will be more. We will all need our strength of spirit as we go on doing whatever we need to do to make it through this. Knowing what's going on can't always afford a person that ability. It's hard enough having ones life and well-being up in the air without zooming in on the source every day. So I hope that all of you are taking some time to enjoy yourselves and appreciate the people/things that matter between mulling through all of the data and chatter in this thread, in your communities, and all over the media.

Don't let all of this madness around you become the madness that IS you. It happens so fast. Humans are like that. It's such a silly, platitudinous thing to point out, but seriously now... STOP reading all of these charts, lists, and articles... and go do something meaningful with some of that time. As things ramp up, it only gets harder to break away, as necessity dictates more and more engagement. I feel like this coronavirus is becoming people's whole lives... understandable given the impact, but that's not what I mean.

 

[ne6togadno]

Thanks for the find! Unfortunately, I'm afraid as is most of the "data" we receive from China, calling it "known" is questionable at best lol.

I've a friend from high school whose 20-ish children have discovered the border to Mexico is still open, so they're going there for a few weeks for vacation. I get the people who have to go places, and the ones who go out with a "really I'll have to get this at some point" attitude, knowing the risk, taking precautions where they can, and minimizing exposure both to themselves and to other people. But I don't understand people who decide to go ahead and travel to another country for vacation while wearing ill-fitted paper masks.

well the news article is short summery of this https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6912e2.htm (i just found they've added link to the original article from cdc).
in the original it is also phrased "data from China" (first paragraph after "discussion").

as for the people traveling. it is the same way all over the world. few days after italy closed their borders when it was obvious soon other countries will follow a group of 47 "tourist" (i'd say idiots) from my country went on a trip abroad. got their flight to home canceled. they couldnt secure another flight reservation to home and in day or two it was expected that country they were in will close their borders. their hotel accommodation is ending and they cant go back home. the person that was organizing the trip is whining in media they cant go back home and that locals are acting unfriendly to them (ofc they'd do. you are obvious foreigner in N. African country and most likely you are coming from country affected with covid while the country you are visiting is so far clear. how would you expect locals to react - come to hang you and carry you on their hands you dumb head? ).
so government has to send plane to bring them back home and entire country has to pay because 47 idiots couldnt lose the tax for canceled trip reservation....

i cant remember who has said that only 2% of human population is able to use what is between their ears but in the times like this the truth in this statement becomes very very obvious.

 

[R0H1T]

i cant remember who has said that only 2% of human population is able to use what is between their ears but in the times like this the truth in this statement becomes very very obvious.

I think you'll find the real number to be much much lower, especially in the face of a calamity

 

[ne6togadno]

I think you'll find the real number to be much much lower, especially in the face of a calamity

2% is citation from the person which name i cant remember.
i havent done researches in this direction myself but looking at irrational and idiotic reactions of the people shown in media may be you are very right
i think psychologists will have data for analysis for years ahead after dust from this has settled. and i dont expect their conclusions to be flattering for humanity.

in facebook post (i know i know it's ) medical professor from one of the hospitals in my country shared that there is relation between deficit of 32 Se (selenium) based antioxidants in the human bodies and the aggressiveness of mutations and replications of the RNA viruses. so lower Se based antioxidants you have more aggressive is mutation and replication of the rna viruses in your body. also being affected with rna virus leads to reduction of Se based antioxidants in the body. as you can see it is self inducing process that can worsen the things for affected person.
mentioned in the post groups in risk are people living in overpopulated ares with polluted air and cold continental climate and people with lowered immunity due to recent flu or other illness caused by rna virus (some variations of flu are rna based). she said paper on the subject will be published asap but i doubt this paper will be of interest for general public.

the general advice given was if you are in risk group (or if you have concerns) make a test for Se levels in the blood and consult with your doctor
and/or increase eggs, walnuts, almonds and apricot nuts in your diet (no recommendations given for quantities). brazilian nut is also good source of Se but you should not exceed quantity of 3-4 nuts daily. those measures has to be taken for about a month. i am not sure if this will truly help but eating a bit more eggs and nuts for a month wont hurt much (make sure you dont have any other conditions that prevent you to eat above mentioned foods).

NOTE THAT THIS WILL NOT SAVE OR HEAL YOU FROM COVID-19 OR ANY OTHER VIRUS SO IF YOU FEEL SICK FIRST CONTACT YOUR DOCTOR!

ofc take any health advised found in the internet with a pile of salt and DONT TAKE ANY MEDICINES BEFORE YOU HAVE CONSULTED WITH YOUR DOCTOR!

 

[the54thvoid]

I LQ'd the above post as it's off-topic. This isn't the place for unconfirmed nutritional benefits and besides, I work in fitness, studied Nutrition at Masters level, and don't think it's helpful to start down that path in this thread.

 

[Vayra86]

This is the type of attitude I hate coming from general public as well as governmental officials.

Data coming from China so they are bad? What the F is wrong with people? The US research labs had to relay on the Chinese researchers to provide crucial initial genetic information regarding the virus from the get go. So you want to throw everything "from China" out of the window?




Here, this MOFO genome of the virus where every major researcher relies on, coming from China

Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 isolate Wuhan-Hu-1, co - Nucleotide - NCBI

Look at the author list:
AUTHORS Wu,F., Zhao,S., Yu,B., Chen,Y.-M., Wang,W., Hu,Y., Song,Z.-G.,
Tao,Z.-W., Tian,J.-H., Pei,Y.-Y., Yuan,M.L., Zhang,Y.-L.,
Dai,F.-H., Liu,Y., Wang,Q.-M., Zheng,J.-J., Xu,L., Holmes,E.C. and
Zhang,Y.-Z.

Oh bunch Chinese! Must be fake genome!

F*CK THIS



Jesus FKING Christ I am starting to loose it seeing all of these political BS during this horrible time. Once again, virus do not give a f*ck about your race, nationailty or political BS. WE ARE ALL EQUALLY MEAT TO THEM.


Quarantine works: When the Chinese did it all the media spin was "Inhumane, bad China bad" When Italy had to do it all of a sudden it becomes acceptable. If most of the western nations did not sit on their collective fat asses and pointing fingers; if these nations actually listened to all of the researchers and started actions way earlier all of this could have been avoided!


Also for you nutcases believe this is some bio-weapon, take some time to read this Nature Medicine paper just published this week. It explains all you need to know

You're quite right and I recognize your sentiment. I get that from time to time. For example when it comes to anti vaxxers. And I get it too now with the conspiracy flying around in the... guess what, mostly the US. Bunch of nutcases.

The nutcase however is not the norm. If I look around in the real world I see a lot of fact based and measured response. No bullshit.

That's very nice of you to say. I appreciate that YOU think so

If I am being completely honest I am not all that self-confident. Sometimes I look at other people and wish I had figured-out what they have figured-out. I don't think I've ever fully had a handle on my own life, let alone what's happening around me. I have my own persistent neuroses, which consistently give me too good of reasons to doubt. It's just that everyday fear of life. I often fail to be as patient or honest with myself as I should be. I suppose I do have my compass, even if it often feels like there is no true north. Being self-analytical is a double-edged sword, but there's something to be said of finding trust and forgiveness in and for oneself in ones' flaws. Serenity comes and goes, often against our will. At some points you just gotta know it'll be there when the time is right, and realize it's okay when it's not - nothing wrong with being off-center, so long as you honestly reflect on it when you are back in the pocket. Life comes at ya all of the time, but just as nothing you love is, in truth, entirely what you love it for being, nothing you fear is ever exactly as you fear it to be. I wish I had figured that out a lot sooner than I did, though... and I still forget a good half of the time

I'm really drifting now and I will stop. I do have a point that I think is relevant to this thread, perhaps at least slightly more than the other one in that it's the people in this one who might need to see it more.

I just wanna take a minute to remind people to pull away from all of this SARS II: Electric Boogaloo tomfoolery routinely and swiftly. I think I myself have been watching the numbers and reading too much for my own good. It's not as 'productive' as it seems 'important.' And it is important - gotta always have a handle on things, but it's way too easy to lose sight of yourself in that endeavor. I look around at people who are already consumed and judge them, but a lot of us here are probably doing the same things that lead a person to lose touch with their own self... over-analyzing this constant influx of new information and looming questions... always trying to have a handle on things as often as possible. It's probably not possible to fully grapple right now. It can break you down and muddle your decisions. Within myself, I can sense the anxiety and obsession trickling into places it shouldn't be, regardless of what is happening. I think it only adds more stress when it's all that anybody talks about.

How often have you all read about COVID-19 this past week? How much time a day do you spend thinking/talking about it? What's the percentage rate? What about just having it in the back of your mind?

There will be much to contend with for all of us, but that remains static, whether you spend all of your time focusing on it or not. I could argue that life is this way from start to finish and things like that just make the game we play with this world we've made for ourselves more obvious than usual. There's really never been any such thing as 'business as usual', has there?

The problem will still be there tomorrow and so will the unknowns, and after that, there will be more. We will all need our strength of spirit as we go on doing whatever we need to do to make it through this. Knowing what's going on can't always afford a person that ability. It's hard enough having ones life and well-being up in the air without zooming in on the source every day. So I hope that all of you are taking some time to enjoy yourselves and appreciate the people/things that matter between mulling through all of the data and chatter in this thread, in your communities, and all over the media.

Don't let all of this madness around you become the madness that IS you. It happens so fast. Humans are like that. It's such a silly, platitudinous thing to point out, but seriously now... STOP reading all of these charts, lists, and articles... and go do something meaningful with some of that time. As things ramp up, it only gets harder to break away, as necessity dictates more and more engagement. I feel like this coronavirus is becoming people's whole lives... understandable given the impact, but that's not what I mean.

Fun fact. When they started the partial lockdown in the Netherlands, closing the bars and restaurants and stuff, they also closed the coffeeshops. They announced it at 17.30 and it would start right at 18.00. In that half hour, huge lines at all the shops... immediately after, illegal trade was up and running at large. A day later they announced that shops could remain open for sale only, no visits. People needed cure for the madness and they have it. I have no worries of things going crazy over here Fact based governance. Love it.

 

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In my opinion this is the right time when human race should reconsider and maybe finally overcome the nonsensical Monetary System as it s ATM....

We already tried Bitcoin and it was awful...