Maps, science, data & statistics tracking of COVID-19

[FordGT90Concept]

They're saying people can be asymptomatic but still spread the virus six days after the symptoms are gone.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I wouldn't say you're doing really well. That implies some form of victory.

The numbers say otherwise. The statement wasn't meant to be a statement of victory, it was meant to offer perspective on the current situation.

Take that sentiment to New York, or Louisiana.

Or California and Washington..

I know I won't make my point with you - you have your own mind, and that's fine

Um, ok.

but every death is a brutal moment for a family.

That's true. However, just because this virus is out there doesn't mean people are going to die from it. Nor does it mean people are going to stop dying from other things.

The US, by being so populace, will see many more.

Again, the numbers are not telling that story.

And it's not your Government's fault. It's just a statistic. Nature doesn't discriminate. And it's not a battle anybody wins.

True on all points. Trying to lay blame is like trying to put C3PO back together with bubblegum...

 

[moproblems99]

You went up another 1,200 from yesterday... that is 2 days in a row that high...

I believe we've been hitting new highs for days.

Don't worry, us here in Florida said: 'Hold my beer' over the last two weeks.

Edit: We also just got a stay at home until May 1.

 

[the54thvoid]

True on all points. Trying to lay blame is like trying to put C3PO back together with bubblegum...

Yes, with his head on backwards.

 

[Xzibit]

So here is the count for those trucks sent to NY

NY Post: FEMA sending 85 refrigerated trucks to New York City for COVID-19 bodies

“We are sending refrigeration trucks to New York to help with some of the problem on a temporary basis,” FEMA regional director Thomas Von Essen said at a Manhattan press briefing with Mayor Bill de Blasio on Monday.
The city is expecting FEMA to send 85 trucks. Although their capacity was not immediately available, similar trailers already in use hold 40 bodies each. The additional FEMA trucks could double the city’s morgue capacity from 3,500 to 7,000.

They also sent

The Federal Emergency Management Agency is sending 250 ambulances, about 500 EMTs and paramedics and 85 refrigerated trucks to serve as temporary mortuaries to New York City, the epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak in the U.S., city officials said Tuesday.

The military has also provided 42 people to the Manhattan Medical Examiner’s Office where there is a “desperate need” for help in Queens, Von Essen said.

There is also word that inmates could be used for labor to dig graves.

 

[Gab]

Well, I live in Madrid (Spain).

The situation here is bad. Really bad. We have today more than 100,000 infected and our numbers and infected curve is aproaching fast to the Italy curve and cases. Hospitals, doctors and health service is close to collapse. In some regions it is already.

Two months ago the politicians and a lot of people were minimizing this outbreak. They thought that it was a problem too far. A chill and a bad feeling ran through my body. Noboby in the government take actions to prevent, not even contingency plans.
In early March and after seeing the situation in Italy, the situation remained the same. People was thinking in Easter week, 'Fallas', popular demonstrations, people lived and had normal lives. I felt helpless, everyone was kidding about it.

A week after, the epidemic emerged with numerous cases and exponentially it was reproducing. The situation was out of control and our health system barely could absorb the sick. Our medics and nurses ran out soon of the proper medical equipment (consequence of many years of the politicians reducing and dismantling the strong public healthcare that Spain had yesteryear). Now these people, our medics, are in a 'medical state of war'. Last time the healthcare had a moment of this type was the attacks of Al Qaeda of March 11, 2004 here in Madrid. According to the doctors today, everyday is like that day now.

We were in confinement two weeks now. But I have a job (electronics and computing) which is 'essential' for the state and I can't do the confinement. My company minimized the outbreak and even today the security measures are insufficient. There were positive cases in my job place. I'm scared. Everyday go to job with fear. It can be I may already be infected or I may be asymptomatic. The worst thing is that I don't know. There is no testing here at the moment. Everyday young and relatively young people die. I know I can die.

My advices:

1) take you seriously this outbreak. Don't make our mistakes.
2) confinement. Do it. And only go out home to buy food.
3) don' make personal contacts with anybody, even family.
4) wash your hands periodically and don't touch your face always you can.
5) use masks and gloves.

Friends, good luck.

 

[lexluthermiester]

4) wash your hands periodically and don't touch your face always you can.
5) use masks and gloves.

These two points can be argued as the most important as isolating your body from points of infection and personal cleanliness are critically important.

 

[robot zombie]

Well, I live in Madrid (Spain).

The situation here is bad. Really bad. We have today more than 100,000 infected and our numbers and infected curve is aproaching fast to the Italy curve and cases. Hospitals, doctors and health service is close to collapse. In some regions it is already.

Two months ago the politicians and a lot of people were minimizing this outbreak. They thought that it was a problem too far. A chill and a bad feeling ran through my body. Noboby in the government take actions to prevent, not even contingency plans.
In early March and after seeing the situation in Italy, the situation remained the same. People was thinking in Easter week, 'Fallas', popular demonstrations, people lived and had normal lives. I felt helpless, everyone was kidding about it.

A week after, the epidemic emerged with numerous cases and exponentially it was reproducing. The situation was out of control and our health system barely could absorb the sick. Our medics and nurses ran out soon of the proper medical equipment (consequence of many years of the politicians reducing and dismantling the strong public healthcare that Spain had yesteryear). Now these people, our medics, are in a 'medical state of war'. Last time the healthcare had a moment of this type was the attacks of Al Qaeda of March 11, 2004 here in Madrid. According to the doctors today, everyday is like that day now.

We were in confinement two weeks now. But I have a job (electronics and computing) which is 'essential' for the state and I can't do the confinement. My company minimized the outbreak and even today the security measures are insufficient. There were positive cases in my job place. I'm scared. Everyday go to job with fear. It can be I may already be infected or I may be asymptomatic. The worst thing is that I don't know. There is no testing here at the moment. Everyday young and relatively young people die. I know I can die.

My advices:

1) take you seriously this outbreak. Don't make our mistakes.
2) confinement. Do it. And only go out home to buy food.
3) don' make personal contacts with anybody, even family.
4) wash your hands periodically and don't touch your face always you can.
5) use masks and gloves.

Friends, good luck.

I always liked that quote "Tomorrow, mother nature could sneeze us off of the face of the planet." At least sometimes you get warnings. You see a storm on the horizon and maybe it's "over there" right now, but you prepare for it to be "over here" because you don't know and it may be your only warning. If it hits, you count your blessings for having that sign. You were cut a break in that case. Take it for granted and nature takes it all back.

I think in these modern times people don't always see it that way. Humanity used to have natural reverence for these things. In our lives we are now removed from needing to much of the time. Add an extra layer by making the phenomenon a pandemic and the detachment is amplified. It's hard to concieve of something like this in the way we might a tsunami or an earthquake. Comparatively it's like watching grass grow. You tell yourself you can cut it tomorrow. Today it's hot and you have that appointment...

I've said it before. All bets are off with the human mind when it comes to anything beyond immediacy. We're not as good at looking beyond as we like to think. 90% of our time is spent reacting to the present. I'm betting a large part of all human suffering can be chalked up to that one facet.

If people wanna act like they ain't got time for it, they'll find out the hard way just how little they really have.

Your story really hammers that down, I think. Thank you for sharing.

To me that's the big lesson for everyone.

 

[Tatty_Two]

So your logic is wearing no mask is better than wearing a mask? Ridiculous.

Apparently one of the dangers in wearing a mask is that it makes the wearer feel safer and more protected, even though there is little evidence that is the case and therefore some people are less careful, if you take a look at some of the news footage in the early days of the pandemic from China and Japan, you will see loads of people wearing cloth face masks but very few of them have any distance from other people whether those people have masks on themselves or not, when governments instigate social distancing measure they still include people wearing a mask for good reason.

 

[Drone]

Apparently one of the dangers in wearing a mask is that it makes the wearer feel safer and more protected, even though there is little evidence that is the case and therefore some people are less careful, if you take a look at some of the news footage in the early days of the pandemic from China and Japan, you will see loads of people wearing cloth face masks but very few of them have any distance from other people whether those people have masks on themselves or not, when governments instigate social distancing measure they still include people wearing a mask for good reason.

They just suggest it for people who have no masks but for some reason who need to leave their home. If two layer cotton does provide some kind of protection why not use it, but yeah unlike you all I'm not Nobel laureate so what do I know.

 

[rtwjunkie]

Well, the Shelter in Place order by the Governor of Louisiana implemented a couple weeks ago is apparently not enough for some of our Parishes (Counties elsewhere in the country). 4 parishes in Southeast Louisiana have instituted night time curfews.

Coronavirus reminder: Daily curfews in place for these southeast Louisiana communities

Curfews are going into effect this week for parishes in southeast Louisiana because of the COVID-19 health crisis.

www.wdsu.com

I wouldn’t be surprised to see this mandatory curfew extend to other areas in the state.

 

[Xzibit]

Well, the Shelter in Place order by the Governor of Louisiana implemented a couple weeks ago is apparently not enough for some of our Parishes (Counties elsewhere in the country). 4 parishes in Southeast Louisiana have instituted night time curfews.

Coronavirus reminder: Daily curfews in place for these southeast Louisiana communities

Curfews are going into effect this week for parishes in southeast Louisiana because of the COVID-19 health crisis.

www.wdsu.com

I wouldn’t be surprised to see this mandatory curfew extend to other areas in the state.

That story about the NY nurse working at a hospital while infected

A nurse who did not want to be named told CNN she worked at two New York City hospitals for a week before she was diagnosed with coronavirus.
She said her diagnosis went undetected because hospitals have not been testing staff.
"Two weeks ago, I was feeling back pain, a lot of back pain," the nurse told CNN. "And then one night had really bad chest pain."
When she asked about staff testing, she said one of the emergency rooms refused to test staff members. She only got a test when she asked a friend who was on duty.
"I said, 'Please just this one time. I want to make sure I don't have it. I don't want to spread anything,'" the nurse said. "And so she tested me."

Doubt shes the only one too

 

[rtwjunkie]

You cant see comma's? better go to specsavers

Um, The request for a citation is what is your source to link to for that claim, since this is predominately a fact- based thread. There is another one in The Lounge for various country-bashing.

 

[moproblems99]

same as S Korea

South Korea actually had some pretty stringent policies and did a lot of testing. South Korea really put the hammer down and fast so I can mostly believe their data.

 

[xman2007]

Um, The request for a citation is what is your source to link to for that claim, since this is predominately a fact- based thread. There is another one in The Lounge for various country-bashing.

But YT videos on home made masks that will save people are kosher?

South Korea actually had some pretty stringent policies and did a lot of testing. South Korea really out the hammer down so I can mostly believe their data.

Testing alone is worth nothing, you have to implement social distancing from the outset both of which China and S Korea didnt do inistially but people are led to believe that china's peak tapered off in late Feb and they have had practically 0 deaths or new cases since? perlease

 

[moproblems99]

people are led to believe that china's peak tapered off in late Feb and they have had practically 0 deaths or new cases since? perlease

People are free to believe as they wish but those that want the truth will find it. As said already, we try not to discuss what countries are or not lying (hint: all do one way or another) in this thread as there is one in the lounge that that is for.

But YT videos on home made masks that will save people are kosher?

As for things like this, I see it as valid discussion on ways you can and can't protect yourself. Busting (or proving) myths as you will. Political things are best left for the lounge as they spiral quickly. I know because I like to spiral frequently.

 

[xman2007]

Sorry people are getting riled up from my opinions in here, maybe I need to take it to OT but I will just quote this I have posted on daily mail so hopefully some can see I'm not just a troll:

My daughter was due on March 31 and we were called in on the 19th to be induced, it wasn't pleasant as most of the hospital was on lockdown because of the expected rush of coronavirus patients, I wasn't allowed off the ward at one point cause a suspected coronavirus patient got taken in, we didnt really want to be there but we had little choice, we have been home a week now and the little one is doing fine as best we can tell with no after support, have utmost respect for NHS nurses, doctors and healthcare workers/staff however

I've got a week old daughter who cant be seen and tested by health professionals because of the state of things right now, I have been on lockdown in a hospital in the last week and it wasnt a pleasant experience and I was worried I had covid 19, I have children who I am worrying about more than myself, so I'm sorry if my views come across a certain way

 

[rtwjunkie]

Sorry people are getting riled up from my opinions in here, maybe I need to take it to OT but I will just quote this I have posted on daily mail so hopefully some can see I'm not just a troll:

My daughter was due on March 31 and we were called in on the 19th to be induced, it wasn't pleasant as most of the hospital was on lockdown because of the expected rush of coronavirus patients, I wasn't allowed off the ward at one point cause a suspected coronavirus patient got taken in, we didnt really want to be there but we had little choice, we have been home a week now and the little one is doing fine as best we can tell with no after support, have utmost respect for NHS nurses, doctors and healthcare workers/staff however

I've got a week old daughter who cant be seen and tested by health professionals because of the state of things right now, I have been on lockdown in a hospital in the last week and it wasnt a pleasant experience and I was worried I had covid 19, I have children who I am worrying about more than myself, so I'm sorry if my views come across a certain way

I can sympathize with your agitation. I have a wife who has a reduced immune system because of a bad valve and several heart attacks. So that I don’t pass any of this disease on to her accidentally I sent her to live with her daughter. Today I find out she has been having chest pains, and yet her doctor isn’t too worried yet. He did urge her to avoid the hospital at all costs and make sure its a true emergency before going there. So yes, it’s scary and I understand your worry.

 

[xman2007]

I can sympathize with your agitation. I have a wife who has a reduced immune system because of a bad valve and several heart attacks. So that I don’t pass any of this disease on to her accidentally I sent her to live with her daughter. Today I find out she has been having chest pains, and yet her doctor isn’t too worried yet. He did urge her to avoid the hospital at all costs and make sure its a true emergency before going there. So yes, it’s scary and I understand your worry.

I dont mean to 1up you in any way but my son was born with a congenital heart defect also so I've as much to lose with covid 19 as anyone and the notion that I'm just being a troll or WUM is insulting

 

[moproblems99]

I've got a week old daughter who cant be seen and tested by health professionals because of the state of things right now, I have been on lockdown in a hospital in the last week and it wasnt a pleasant experience and I was worried I had covid 19, I have children who I am worrying about more than myself, so I'm sorry if my views come across a certain way

I'm sorry to hear that. I have heard several stories of people that couldn't be there for the birth of their children (even our govener). I'd have to think that would be about the worst thing for a father.

 

[Ahhzz]

Guys, some of us have personal connections to the Virus, and people affected by it, but please keep the aggressive reactions and counter-reactions under control. Take personal beefs to PM, or even better, Let it Go, but keep it out of the thread.

 

[Xzibit]

NBCLosAngeles: Locomotive Engineer Derailed Train to Wreck Navy Hospital Ship Mercy Over Coronavirus Suspicions, Feds Say

Moreno allegedly told the officer, "You only get this chance once. The whole world is watching. I had to. People don't know what's going on here. Now they will," the complaint alleges.

Moreno stated that, "he did it out of the desire to 'wake people up,'" according to the affidavit. "Moreno stated that he thought that the U.S.N.S. Mercy was suspicious and did not believe 'the ship is what they say it's for.'"

You can see in this news report the distance

 

[Regeneration]

China has lied and covered up their true numbers which has claimed the lives of thousands if not tens and hundreds of thousands of other nations peoples across the globe, anyone who believes that they tapered off at 80k cases and 3k deaths is either an ignoramus or just plain uneducated, same as S Korea, if the numbers are true they have a vaccine they are keeping under wraps from the rest of the world because everywhere apart from China and S Korea are going through hell on earth and there looks like no end to it in sight.

Citation please.

U.S. Intelligence: China Concealed Extent of Virus Outbreak

China Concealed Extent of Virus Outbreak, U.S. Intelligence Says

China has concealed the extent of the coronavirus outbreak in its country, under-reporting both total cases and deaths it’s suffered from the disease, the U.S. intelligence community concluded in a classified report to the White House, according to three U.S. officials.

www.bloomberg.com

I can sympathize with your agitation. I have a wife who has a reduced immune system because of a bad valve and several heart attacks. So that I don’t pass any of this disease on to her accidentally I sent her to live with her daughter. Today I find out she has been having chest pains, and yet her doctor isn’t too worried yet. He did urge her to avoid the hospital at all costs and make sure its a true emergency before going there. So yes, it’s scary and I understand your worry.

Chest pain can be caused by a muscle strain, slipped disc, dislocated shoulder, high blood pressure, lung stress from smoking, and for no reason because of previous heart attacks.

My daughter was due on March 31 and we were called in on the 19th to be induced, it wasn't pleasant as most of the hospital was on lockdown because of the expected rush of coronavirus patients, I wasn't allowed off the ward at one point cause a suspected coronavirus patient got taken in, we didnt really want to be there but we had little choice, we have been home a week now and the little one is doing fine as best we can tell with no after support, have utmost respect for NHS nurses, doctors and healthcare workers/staff however

I've got a week old daughter who cant be seen and tested by health professionals because of the state of things right now, I have been on lockdown in a hospital in the last week and it wasnt a pleasant experience and I was worried I had covid 19, I have children who I am worrying about more than myself, so I'm sorry if my views come across a certain way

That sucks ass. You should make a call and ask for a home visit.

 

[the54thvoid]

Thread heavily cleansed.

Attacking individual nations with supposition and, by definition, lack of facts, is way off-topic. That is definitely for the lounge.

Calling people names, inferring they are stupid, etc, will result in thread bans.

The reason I delete national attacks is because every country is using a separate system to count cases. None are actual virus numbers. Just because it's a personal feeling that country 'A' is lying about their numbers, doesn't make it a relevant post. Feelings, without firm evidence, are dangerous things. As far as numbers go, the UK is pretty slow with testing, therefore, our numbers are a gross underestimate. I don't see Blighty being criticised (I'd LQ or delete it anyway - we're not nation-bashing).

Also, to point out the irony: China uses full state surveillance of it's people. They used all their combined power to monitor the spread and with such overarching control, they could more easily contain those infected. Also, as far back as Jan, or early Feb, they were literally dragging people from their homes and putting them in vans. China did what no western power could: they removed the rights of the individual to protect the whole. It's the mantra of their governing culture (Party over People). As has been explained in this thread as well, they control 90%+ of N95 masks. They kept most of them. Add all that up and it's easier to understand how they got a handle on the virus.

Meanwhile, in the free world, we're still 'gathering' because it's our right. Well, some think that should happen to allow the virus to spread and for us to grow herd immunity (UK initial stance) and others think it's better to remain isolated. Problem is, both have merit. Herd immunity will creatre a natural solution, but it'll also cause a surge in deaths. Isolation will reduce the surge, but at what financial and mental cost?

Anyhoo, what a poo-storm to wake up to.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

China was under reporting because they weren't counting asymptomatic people that tested positive (they said they're going to fix this in the coming week). The rest of the world is under reporting because of inadequate testing for the virus. In other words: everyone is underreporting right now. Numbers are going to swell over the next month or so even if the severity of the outbreak lessens simply because of better data being collected/provided.