Maps, science, data & statistics tracking of COVID-19

[Drone]

Experts say that wearing masks is important. Even bandana or t-shirt will do. Scientists say that two layers of cotton is pretty effective.

 

[Vayra86]

Experts say that wearing masks is important. Even bandana or t-shirt will do. Scientists say that two layers of cotton is pretty effective.

WHO disagrees with that. You oughta check your sources.

 

[moproblems99]

WHO disagrees with that. You oughta check your sources.

Let's not forget in mid-January the WHO said this was not transmittable person to person. I would have thought it was pretty obvious at that point.

Edit: I should say 'no evidence'.

 

[Vayra86]

Let's not forget in mid-January the WHO said this was not transmittable person to person. I would have thought it was pretty obvious at that point.

Edit: I should say 'no evidence'.

The science does evolve, but it doesn't evolve in all directions at the same time. A brief from several days ago still said the same about mask usage, the required type, etc. Don't mistake fake news for science. 'Experts say' is a big fat red warning sign that it is some nobody from nowhere spouting BS without community support

There is overwhelming evidence that cloth masks are an infection risk rather than a solution.

 

[Drone]

WHO disagrees with that. You oughta check your sources.

So your logic is wearing no mask is better than wearing a mask? Ridiculous.

 

[Ahhzz]

So your logic is wearing no mask is better than wearing a mask? Ridiculous.

Drone, I would say that technically, you are correct in that wearing a mask is better than no mask. However, there's a huge number of caveats that go with that. According to WHO, the number of steps required to ensure that you're not self- or re-contaminating is extensive. I personally feel that with something like a cloth mask or surgical mask, the amount of time those masks provide any protection is so short that I'll only be using something like that with someone who I know is infected, or myself if I get that unlucky.
I've not come across any specific numbers (I'm assuming because of the number of variables) that indicate how long a surgical or cotton mask is effective, but considering even the N95 masks are recommended to be swapped after exposure, or 8 hours, whichever comes first, I don't feel a non-N95 would be useful unless donning it immediately before being exposed, and safely removing it immediately after.
If you find something about the efficacy duration of the cotton/cloth/etc, please share it!! I've had a few clients ask about masks, and I'd love to be able to provide some solid data besides "Not very" and "Probably not" heheh.

 

[moproblems99]

Drone, I would say that technically, you are correct in that wearing a mask is better than no mask. However, there's a huge number of caveats that go with that. According to WHO, the number of steps required to ensure that you're not self- or re-contaminating is extensive. I personally feel that with something like a cloth mask or surgical mask, the amount of time those masks provide any protection is so short that I'll only be using something like that with someone who I know is infected, or myself if I get that unlucky.
I've not come across any specific numbers (I'm assuming because of the number of variable) that indicate how long a surgical or cotton mask is effective, but considering event the N95 masks are recommended to be swapped after exposure, or 8 hours, whichever comes first, I don't feel a non-N95 would be useful unless donning it immediately before being exposed, and safely removing it immediately after.
If you find something about the efficacy duration of the cotton/cloth/etc, please share it!! I've had a few clients ask about masks, and I'd love to be able to provide some solid data besides "Not very" and "Probably not" heheh.

That is basically all I have so I'll let you know how effective it is should I need. Keep in mind, it will be purely anecdotal.

 

[HTC]

Portugal's numbers have been updated:

- 8251 confirmed infected
- 187 fatalities
- 43 recovered - STILL????? No change, since SIX days ago
- 4957 waiting for test results
- 726 hospitalized
- 230 in ICU

This is the BIG PROBLEM of this virus, once someone needs hospitalization, they stay in the hospital for a LONG TIME, with or without ventilator: it's worse if they require a ventilator than if not but, as evidenced by the lack of "new" cured patients, this only gets worse. Of our 1142 ventilators, @ least 230 are being used for this virus: no word yet on that order of 500 ventilators our government placed

Our National Aviation Company (TAP) will begin a "simplified layoff" of 90% of all their workers, with the 10% working less hours than normal.

Today, our President and Parliament will decide if the emergency state is to be renewed for another 15 days or not: supposedly yes.

 

[Zyll Goliat]

There is overwhelming evidence that cloth masks are an infection risk rather than a solution.

Probably if you where the very same mask over&over again then yes...otherwise no it's better to have anything that will cover your mouth&nose.....

 

[TheLostSwede]

Experts say that wearing masks is important. Even bandana or t-shirt will do. Scientists say that two layers of cotton is pretty effective.

A yes, sneeze guards... Not going to help against anything else except reducing your spread of germs if you're sneezing.
Medical staff has been known to have gotten infected due to only wearing surgical masks, so no, regular cheap masks don't protect you at all.

Let's not forget in mid-January the WHO said this was not transmittable person to person. I would have thought it was pretty obvious at that point.

Edit: I should say 'no evidence'.

Not quite true, they said that China said so.

 

[Devon68]

If you have chronic weaknesses of whatever kind in your organs, most notably those related to the lungs and breathing, COVID-19 seems to be your nemesis.

Well if I get it I fell like I'm boned. i have chronic kidney disease and high blood pressure. The good thing is that our company is not working till April 13-th.

 

[rtwjunkie]

April 1st COVID-19 numbers for Louisiana. Pretty healthy increases in all categories.

6,424 cases (5,237 yesterday)
273 deaths (239 yesterday)
1,498 hospitalized (1,355 yesterday)
490 on ventilators (438 yesterday)
45,750 tests (approximately) have been conducted (39,000 yesterday)

Breaking these down for the 5 parishes that comprise the New Orleans Metro Area. Parenthesis will be just in New Orleans, and part of the total:
4,114 cases (2,270 NOLA)
192 Deaths (115 NOLA)

Louisiana Coronavirus | La Dept. of Health

The Louisiana Department of Health protects and promotes health and ensures access to medical, preventive and rehabilitative services for all citizens of the State of Louisiana.

ldh.la.gov

 

[the54thvoid]

I saw US cases hit a high one today. You got a huge population, large casualties are inevitable, unfortunately.

 

[EarthDog]

April 1st COVID-19 numbers for Louisiana. Pretty healthy increases in all categories.

6,424 cases (5,237 yesterday)
273 deaths (239 yesterday)
1,498 hospitalized (1,355 yesterday)
490 on ventilators (438 yesterday)
45,750 tests (approximately) have been conducted (39,000 yesterday)

You went up another 1,200 from yesterday... that is 2 days in a row that high...

I saw US cases hit a high one today. You got a huge population, large casualties are inevitable, unfortunately.

I believe we've been hitting new highs for days.

 

[rtwjunkie]

You went up another 1,200 from yesterday... that is 2 days in a row that high...

Yeah. Apparently we are nearly out of ventilators in this area of Louisiana, as well. Today is my one day a week that I am part of a 2-person skeleton crew to work at the office. I've got mixed thoughts. Traffic was much less than 2 weeks ago, which is good, and city streets are much more empty than usual, but at the same time, there still seems to be more people out and about than I would have thought. Are there THAT many people that fit into the essential category? Maybe so. I think there are probably many not taking this seriously.

I did a breakdown also for just the New Orleans area and New Orleans itself. The lion's share of cases and deaths are down in this area.

 

[Vayra86]

So your logic is wearing no mask is better than wearing a mask? Ridiculous.

Yes, because this is a respiratory illness so even if you have it, and you don't really know, you will want to breathe as easily as possible. Not doing so = sweating, and guess what... that's also a fluid, and it will stick to your hands and everything else you touch.

This is why people who have it should stay inside. Even if they don't sneeze or cough, they can still easily transmit it. Washing hands and sneezing in elbows, precisely not in that order though... yes, those are effective measures. Wearing masks, especially cloth, most certainly is not. The virus particles, even from a sneeze, can easily pass through (the elbow is therefore better, because its closed and you tend to look down.

So, for those who seek to ignore scientific evidence, a summary:
- you only have ANY benefit from wearing a mask when you have been diagnosed with Corona and are indeed sneezing and coughing. But when you do, nearly every country is telling you, or even straight up forcing you to stay inside.
- you would have to replace any mask you sneezed or coughed in very regularly or it loses its benefit. The material gets soaked and the filter won't work proper.
- you don't know whether you actually have this virus, you can be totally asymptomatic
- there are not enough proper masks for everyone

Do the math. Its not too hard. There is a community effort here and your best action is NOT to wear a certified mask and keep those for health workers who work in elevated risk environments. And even if you wear one, you never have enough of them to use them according to protocol which again is necessary to even have any advantage of them.

'The mask' is a psychological measure, its nice to have a little tool to defend yourself. Its also 100% an illusion that it helps in any way shape or form.

It happens every so often that scientifically the evidence to do this or that, goes completely against our human nature. But in history, many humans have died following basic human instincts too. The whole healthcare business is a result of that. We're too stupid to avoid all dangers and diseases, whethers its from a poisonous mushroom, or trading animals. This mask usage is more of the same. It may feel good, but it is counterproductive.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I saw US cases hit a high one today. You got a huge population, large casualties are inevitable, unfortunately.

This is true. However, the numbers say...

327,000,000 US population
190,740 Infected
4,127 Dead

The numbers say we're really doing very well.

 

[Vayra86]

This true. However, the numbers say...

327,000,000 US population
190,740 Infected
4,127

The numbers say we're really doing very well.

Now isolate New York, and its death rate is rivalling Italy, and we have yet to see the peak of the curve. Hell it could be weeks away. Its exactly as I said days before this hit the US... the cities will be horrifying, the countryside will have an easier time. That is exactly what is happening now.

The next step: the mostly Republican countryside will get the imported city cases and create further polarization in your society. Cue in 3, 2, 1

 

[the54thvoid]

This true. However, the numbers say...

327,000,000 US population
190,740 Infected
4,127

The numbers say we're really doing very well.

I wouldn't say you're doing really well. That implies some form of victory. That's not how viruses work. Take that sentiment to New York, or Louisiana. I know I won't make my point with you - you have your own mind, and that's fine - but every death is a brutal moment for a family. The US, by being so populace, will see many more. And it's not your Government's fault. It's just a statistic. Nature doesn't discriminate. And it's not a battle anybody wins. Losing lives is always a loss, no matter how it's twisted.

 

[Vayra86]

April 1st COVID-19 numbers for Louisiana. Pretty healthy increases in all categories.

6,424 cases (5,237 yesterday)
273 deaths (239 yesterday)
1,498 hospitalized (1,355 yesterday)
490 on ventilators (438 yesterday)
45,750 tests (approximately) have been conducted (39,000 yesterday)

Breaking these down for the 5 parishes that comprise the New Orleans Metro Area. Parenthesis will be just in New Orleans, and part of the total:
4,114 cases (2,270 NOLA)
192 Deaths (115 NOLA)

Louisiana Coronavirus | La Dept. of Health

The Louisiana Department of Health protects and promotes health and ensures access to medical, preventive and rehabilitative services for all citizens of the State of Louisiana.

ldh.la.gov

I do hope your curve keeps looking like ours in NL over here, because it does. We are now starting to see minor effects from the partial lockdown measures. So... you've got a few weeks to go I'm afraid. Our measures have yesterday been lengthened to April 28. We can now slowly say we see effect from the measures taken on March 16...

And beyond that date... its going to be a very gradual return to normal life. There is no way things will immediately jump back to normal. They tried that in Asia, didn't quite work out.

 

[rtwjunkie]

I do hope your curve keeps looking like ours in NL over here, because it does. We are now starting to see minor effects from the partial lockdown measures. So... you've got a few weeks to go I'm afraid. Our measures have yesterday been lengthened to April 28. We can now slowly say we see effect from the measures taken on March 16...

And beyond that date... its going to be a very gradual return to normal life. There is no way things will immediately jump back to normal. They tried that in Asia, didn't quite work out.

Thanks. I really figure it will be a few more weeks at least here before we start having drops in all the bad categories. One thing I don't see much news of here are the number of recoveries. I'm going to see what I can find. It seems we should be regularly reporting that as well.

 

[Vayra86]

Thanks. I really figure it will be a few more weeks at least here before we start having drops in all the bad categories. One thing I don't see much news of here are the number of recoveries. I'm going to see what I can find. It seems we should be regularly reporting that as well.

The reason for low recovery counts is because so far the conclusion has been that those who land on the ICU are staying there for exceptionally long periods of time, easily more than 14 days and often reaching into 20-28 days. That alone brings its own set of problems, such as muscles going weak (as in: simply losing them) which further complicates recovery. So you can quickly spiral out of control that way, I think this is also what contributes to the high death count.

 

[EarthDog]

Thanks. I really figure it will be a few more weeks at least here before we start having drops in all the bad categories. One thing I don't see much news of here are the number of recoveries. I'm going to see what I can find. It seems we should be regularly reporting that as well.

I believe both links in the first post display recoveries? The second link shows it by state.

AS far as recovered.. I have to admit I don't think it's relevant. Those who don't die, recover. I also don't know what is considered 'recovered' by these charts either or how it is tracked. Until I hear more, this number doesn't mean much (to me).

 

[rtwjunkie]

AS far as recovered.. I have to admit I don't think it's relevant. Those who don't die, recover. I also don't know what is considered 'recovered' by these charts either or how it is tracked. Until I hear more, this number doesn't mean much (to me)

This is almost exactly what the Louisiana Department of Health reported when asked yesterday. They said they are focused on tracking and dealing with the sick. Also because the larger majority of cases are not hospitalized, it's hard to know when those people recover. So, they will get to it later once they know how many died, basically.

 

[Rahnak]

To be declared recovered from the virus you need two negative tests with a 24h interval. That may be a factor for the low increase in recovery numbers in a few places as tests are still in very high demand and relatively low availability.