Ryzen Owners Zen Garden

[GoldenX]

Yup I can confirm that, if the sticks are not in the preferred slots, you will have problems reaching high RAM clocks.

 

[Caring1]

Thanks guys, I'm happy using it as a low power system for browsing and emails, so performance isn't a real issue.
I do have a Motherboard on the way I bought from a great member here, so will be getting much better performance with that for a gaming build.

 

[lexluthermiester]

This is why my ram slot stopped work, its called 'woops thats conductonaut'

So remove the conductonaut. Those pins are not voltage sensitive, they should start working again. Little bit of IPA and a soft toothbrush gently applied will do the trick. If you don't have any IPA, a bit of dish or hand soap in warm water will work. Just remember to brush outwards and to clean the brush after every swipe.

 

[Mussels]

oh i removed it weeks ago, i did comment it was past tense - just an entirely valid way he may be able to clean out his CPU socket and get his slots back

thats liquid metal, so it literally blew off with compressed air (i aimed at the nearest 5G tower, to give everyone corona)

 

[lexluthermiester]

oh i removed it weeks ago, i did comment it was past tense

Oops, must have missed that. Sorry. Only trying to be helpful..

 

[Nordic]

Notdic: If you try safe preset on dram calc on 3600, no boot even then? Do you use A2-B2-slot for the ram? A1-B1 tends to yield lower speed on many MBs.

As I mentioned earlier it doesn't matter if I used 1, 2, 3, or 4 sticks. I have tried only being in the A-B2 slots. I even tried A1-B1 just to try it. I can use the XMP 3600mhz Cas 18 settings and it won't boot no matter the voltage.

Are you adjusting all subtimings? GDM is enabled?

Yes. I am adjusting subtimings. I am using the Ryzen DRAM calculator to determine what subtimings to use. Even the XMP setting doesn't work.

@Nordic
You can set the infinity fabric speed and memory speed independently...that way you can set the IF to 1800 and the memory to only 900MTs...its the only way to find out if the chip cant do the IF speed or if the RAM is a shit bin. Also try and play with the voltages for the IMC an IF a bit. I find it really hard to believe that a 3900x can't do 1800 IF (it might be possible though)

It has been a few months but I am fairly certain I tried that on the old motherboard and it didn't help. I don't remember clearly and I have a new motherboard so this might be worth another try.

 

[Cowboystrekk]

Nordic: It sounds like your MB could be T-top if you can run 3533cl14 with 4 sticks. They trive with 4 sticks, but don't go very high with 2. 4 sticks at 3533cl14 should get you impressive performance

 

[heky]

His board (if it is the Asus TUF Gaming Plus) has no problem running ram at 3600mhz. I have built 2 different systems using the same board, one with an 3700x and one with an 3600. Both had no problems running 2 8gb sticks of e-die @ 3600MT

 

[Nordic]

Nordic: It sounds like your MB could be T-top if you can run 3533cl14 with 4 sticks. They trive with 4 sticks, but don't go very high with 2. 4 sticks at 3533cl14 should get you impressive performance

3533mhz cl14 isn't stable which should explain why it isn't performing better than 3533cl16.

My old motherboard was a asrock x570 pro4 matx it that is useful to the conversation. I am going to try setting the infinity fabric speed different from the memory later this week.

 

[Nordic]

@heky I can boot successfully with 1833mhz FCLK with this new asus motherboard when I couldn't do 1800mhz with the old asrock motherboard. It seems the CPU can do more than the memory is capable of. I guess that answers my original question. The memory is the problem not the cpu.

 

[GoldenX]

Did a sidegrade to a B450 Aorus M. PBO clocks improved (specially with PBO Scalar 10x), voltage can be manipulated in a stable way, and RAM timings can be properly set without reverting to 2133MHz. Plus a cute heatsink for my M.2 SSD.
Stupid MSI beta BIOS, never again.

 

[Chomiq]

So what's the consensus on running pbo with 3000 series? Leave it enabled or switch it off for my 3700x. Typical use case is gaming.

 

[TheLostSwede]

So what's the consensus on running pbo with 3000 series? Leave it enabled or switch it off for my 3700x. Typical use case is gaming.

I have mine off, as it doesn't seem to do anything in my case. That said, I have not tried the "scalar" option mentioned above.

 

[Mussels]

I either leave it off, or cap the wattage slightly lower than stock for good temps

 

[Calmmo]

PBO is a lie. It's good for making me loose some benchmark points, but that's about it.

 

[kapone32]

I either leave it off, or cap the wattage slightly lower than stock for good temps

Even on my 2920x I leave PBO off and the funny thing is I get 4.2 GHZ across all cores at 1.225 volts

 

[robot zombie]

I was just sitting at my desk having a little stuck in the house type vape when I had a holy vision, which I was lucky enough to capture and share with all of you today.

Is this perhaps some divine force's way of foretelling the immaculate qualities of the next Ryzen 9? I take it as a sign that I am on the path to enlightenment, and that the next part of my journey will require me to buy a second Ryzen 9 - of the 4000 series, in order to ascend to the 4th plane. I had arranged my packages up on a pedestal by the light, this is AMD's monolithic architecture. This arrangement of boxes is as I was guided by Lisa Su to do, in a dream I had last week. Now, I see what she was trying to tell me in the dream. So it has been foretold. It is a good day. I will buy another Ryzen 9, when the prophesy is realized and a new processor meets our world, as is Lisa's will. May we all then bask in infinitely smooth godrays from that day on, throughout all eternity.

 

[Caring1]

I was just sitting at my desk having a little stuck in the house type vape when I had a holy vision, which I was lucky enough to capture and share with all of you today.

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Is this perhaps some divine force's way of foretelling the immaculate qualities of the next Ryzen 9? I take it as a sign that I am on the path to enlightenment, and that the next part of my journey will require me to buy a second Ryzen 9 - of the 4000 series, in order to ascend to the 4th plane. I had arranged my packages up on a pedestal by the light, this is AMD's monolithic architecture. This arrangement of boxes is as I was guided by Lisa Su to do, in a dream I had last week. Now, I see what she was trying to tell me in the dream. So it has been foretold. It is a good day. I will buy another Ryzen 9, when the prophesy is realized and a new processor meets our world, as is Lisa's will. May we all then bask in infinitely smooth godrays from that day on, throughout all eternity.

First thing that popped in to my thoughts was an ancient monolith with apes dancing around it's base.

 

[GoldenX]

@Chomiq @TheLostSwede there is a risk of degradation when using the scalar at 10x, it forces a higher constant voltage not only for single thread loads, but for also for all threads loads too.

 

[robot zombie]

First thing that popped in to my thoughts was an ancient monolith with apes dancing around it's base.

I hear the congo drums and grunting now... it's like some kind of elaborate fanboy skit.

I feel like I get why AMD doesn't do monolithic architectures now. It is because WE are the builders. They give us the pieces. They provide the glue. And all that is asked of us is that we dream. We can construct a whole new world... a whole new reality! Do you see it? Behold! The monolith of AMD!

 

[GoldenX]

Do I hear Jim Keller working on something from Intel? That monolith better be strong.

 

[robot zombie]

Do I hear Jim Keller working on something from Intel? That monolith better be strong.

Theirs will have to be, because they never give you any glue. And even when they do, I hear it wasn't very good glue. I like AMD. AMD has good glue. Jim Keller would never share his glue with the cult of the polyhedron box. It is unfortunate, as the best glue is needed to stack polyhedron boxes. AMD boxes don't even need the glue. AMD just happens to have it. A testament to their blessing, and Intel's condemnation.

 

[Kursah]

I'd stopped watching months ago, but what I was eager for in September appears to have finally made it in late April. Will be upgrading after work to see if I notice anything...I don't expect much of any changes, so at worst I break even or roll back to the previous.

I guess better late than never, and I don't expect to purchase a 3950X, but will see how it affects my 2700X. Probably gonna stick with this build and see what the next gen of AMD and Intel brings later on, also see if I have a budget to upgrade by then lol.

 

[tabascosauz]

Is anyone else dealing with Windows / drive corruption on their Ryzen builds, of any generation? I've run into data corruption issues a number of times now since moving to the 3700X platform I have now, back in August.

• The first handful of times I chalked it up to testing lower Vcore limits at 4-4.1GHz and unstable memory configurations, which resulted in a lot of BSODs, some of which may have rebooted abruptly. But a chkdsk and sfc scan seemed to rectify the problems. I reinstalled Windows, just in case, which was easy to do as this was all in the first month or two, when AMD was still figuring out firmware.
• Then, when I switched to my current memory kit, a botched install of G.skill's RGB control software and drivers also grenaded my Windows installation. So I reinstalled Windows again. Lesson learned, don't ever restart via the installation wizard's prompt.
• I spent some time at 16-18-18-32 1.35V under the illusion of stability until MW came along and proved that DJR needs to stay at 16-19-19. Some BSODs ensued, but I went back to stable settings and all was good. Chkdsk and sfc both found disk and Windows installation errors respectively, and fixed them.
• Booted up today and was met with an instant PAGE FAULT IN NONPAGED AREA bluescreen. On the next boot, I ran a chkdsk command, which found quite a few errors and spent a few minutes fixing them. Subsequently, an sfc command also found verification errors and fixed them. Both are clean now.

This memory kit is 100% stable through mt86, P95 large, IBT, membench, etc. So is the previous kit. These also aren't graphics-related (I know what that looks like because at the time of purchase, the WHQL drivers were unsatisfactory and creating some artifacts), so all I can think of are it being platform-related so a Ryzen firmware thing, or the SX8200 drive itself.

• I can't think of much I can do on the firmware front. I'm always on the latest BIOS, which is 1.0.0.4, and always kept up to date with chipset firmware.
• I bought the SX8200 because it's both a value and performance leader, but ADATA isn't the most reputable of manufacturers in my mind (despite having several of their impressive products over the years). But I can't find anyone who's had similar problems on this drive.

I've not had this kind of recurring corruption with any Intel platform I've built on over the years. My laptop is NVMe as well - the Windows installation on that has never faltered over the past 2 years, installed on the OEM PM981, which is a 3.0 x4 drive. I recently upgraded to a SN750 drive, also no issues.

A BR1500MS UPS protects my desktop, so it's not a power loss issue, either.

 

[TheLostSwede]

Is anyone else dealing with Windows / drive corruption on their Ryzen builds, of any generation? I've run into data corruption issues a number of times now since moving to the 3700X platform I have now, back in August.

• The first handful of times I chalked it up to testing lower Vcore limits at 4-4.1GHz and unstable memory configurations, which resulted in a lot of BSODs, some of which may have rebooted abruptly. But a chkdsk and sfc scan seemed to rectify the problems. I reinstalled Windows, just in case, which was easy to do as this was all in the first month or two, when AMD was still figuring out firmware.
• Then, when I switched to my current memory kit, a botched install of G.skill's RGB control software and drivers also grenaded my Windows installation. So I reinstalled Windows again. Lesson learned, don't ever restart via the installation wizard's prompt.
• I spent some time at 16-18-18-32 1.35V under the illusion of stability until MW came along and proved that DJR needs to stay at 16-19-19. Some BSODs ensued, but I went back to stable settings and all was good. Chkdsk and sfc both found disk and Windows installation errors respectively, and fixed them.
• Booted up today and was met with an instant PAGE FAULT IN NONPAGED AREA bluescreen. On the next boot, I ran a chkdsk command, which found quite a few errors and spent a few minutes fixing them. Subsequently, an sfc command also found verification errors and fixed them. Both are clean now.

This memory kit is 100% stable through mt86, P95 large, IBT, membench, etc. So is the previous kit. These also aren't graphics-related (I know what that looks like because at the time of purchase, the WHQL drivers were unsatisfactory and creating some artifacts), so all I can think of are it being platform-related so a Ryzen firmware thing, or the SX8200 drive itself.

• I can't think of much I can do on the firmware front. I'm always on the latest BIOS, which is 1.0.0.4, and always kept up to date with chipset firmware.
• I bought the SX8200 because it's both a value and performance leader, but ADATA isn't the most reputable of manufacturers in my mind (despite having several of their impressive products over the years). But I can't find anyone who's had similar problems on this drive.

I've not had this kind of recurring corruption with any Intel platform I've built on over the years. My laptop is NVMe as well - the Windows installation on that has never faltered over the past 2 years, installed on the OEM PM981, which is a 3.0 x4 drive. I recently upgraded to a SN750 drive, also no issues.

A BR1500MS UPS protects my desktop, so it's not a power loss issue, either.

Nope, not had any issues like that with my two AMD rigs, never even heard of anything like it.