AMD Ryzen 3 3300X

[Bee9]

I just can't be trusting 40mm fans on something as irritating to replace 3 years down the line as a motherboard.

This means a lot of trouble to many people.
I'm totally prepare to buy new motherboard 3 years down the road to upgrade. It's within my upgrade cycle.

 

[Totally]

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Not everyone lives near a microcenter. The average person is lucky just to have one in the same state, so microcenter's prices don't really mean anything.

 

[trparky]

And here I am with a Microcenter just half an hour away. I feel so lucky.

 

[Bee9]

And here I am with a Microcenter just half an hour away. I feel so lucky.

I can walk to a Microcenter. LOL. I'm more lucky than you are.

 

[trparky]

I can walk to a Microcenter. LOL. I'm more lucky than you are.

Now that's just bragging.

 

[Bee9]

Now that's just bragging.

Oh come on. You know I'm just kidding right. I'm about 10 mins away from Microcenter and it's been a long line every day since Covid-19. I can't wait to see their pricing for the 3300X

 

[trparky]

it's been a long line every day since Covid-19.

Really? There's that many people still wanting to shop for electronics during this modern day plague?

 

[Bee9]

Really? There's that many people still wanting to shop for electronics during this modern day plague?

Yes. I can see very long line especially during Friday and weekend. It takes approximately 2 hours to get in my local Microcenter.

 

[trparky]

Yes. I can see very long line especially during Friday and weekend. It takes approximately 2 hours to get in my local Microcenter.

Damn...

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

Really? There's that many people still wanting to shop for electronics during this modern day plague?

A plague whos death rate has been adjusted down almost daily at this point. More people are looking at the lower and lower fatality rate and are able to rationalize the risk VS their quality of life. Going from a 2-3% death rate to a .2% death rate will do that. And with nothing else to do, why not build a gaming PC and enjoy the staycation?

 

[dirtyferret]

And here I am with a Microcenter just half an hour away. I feel so lucky.

I have four within an hour of me.

 

[RandallFlagg]

I see you are an Intel fanboy, but when you check 3300X and 9350KF without OC, in the really CPU-bound Far Cry 5, the 3300X is faster. And the 9350KF costs NEARLY $170. LOL, funny guy you are.

And you speak about thermals. Really, we speak of 67C? Is it high or what? You get 90C or near 100C with an OCd 9900K.

Well no not really. It's just difficult to find objective reviews. I was hyped to see the Ryzen 4700/4800 laptop parts, only to find once released that their overall system performance was sub-par. And I am not talking about gaming performance due to lower end GPUs, since gaming is maybe 5% of what I use my laptop for.

To illustrate, I pull up PCMark (regular) for Laptops - which is not heavily affected by GPU - and there is not a single AMD based laptop in the top 100 results. Not one. There are laptops with GTX 1070s, so it's not even all the latest and greatest. From what I can tell, this is the case across the board for pretty much every category including desktops. These review sites are not capturing something.

What I do with my system is intensive, but has little to do with media. Right now, I have two visual studio sessions pulled up, SQL Server running and being accessed by one app, and MacOS running under VMWare Workstation. One of the VS sessions is connected to the MacOS VM which is acting as an XCode server for Xamarin - this allows me to develop in VS C# .Net and the VS IDE and use the iOS API. I can also run iOS apps in a simulator, which leverages the MacOS session. I also have Factory Talk and RSLinx running which allow integration into machine control (industrial automation).

So this type of thing stresses the entire system. It's not just about encoding a video or some sound file. I need a well-balanced system, and I think most users of all types need this.

So my conclusion is simply this: AMD might make a fast CPU, but the surrounding system of chipsets / drivers / IO is sub-par when used together.

 

[Bee9]

To illustrate, I pull up PCMark (regular) for Laptops - which is not heavily affected by GPU - and there is not a single AMD based laptop in the top 100 results. Not one. There are laptops with GTX 1070s, so it's not even all the latest and greatest. From what I can tell, this is the case across the board for pretty much every category including desktops. These review sites are not capturing something.

We are discussing 3300X pricing and you are bringing up irrelevant topic.

So this type of thing stresses the entire system. It's not just about encoding a video or some sound file. I need a well-balanced system, and I think most users of all types need this.

Can you point out what is the specific weakness in AMD system for desktop part ? (Note: I'm not trying to defend anything or point fingers at you buddy, just curious what's about your workflow that makes AMD CPU inferior than Intel counterpart)

 

[RandallFlagg]

We are discussing 3300X pricing and you are bringing up irrelevant topic.

Like bringing up 9900k thermals to explain away 3300X bad thermals (which was done earlier)?

Can you point out what is the specific weakness in AMD system for desktop part ? (Note: I'm not trying to defend anything or point fingers at you buddy, just curious what's about your workflow that makes AMD CPU inferior than Intel counterpart)

I think the IO subsystem on AMD platforms is lackluster.

RAM is part of it, they cannot clock up their RAM like Intel chipsets allow. it's apparent from things like PCMark where top intel systems are running 5Ghz DDR4 while top AMD systems can only squeak out 4Ghz - and usually only 3.8Ghz. I suspect juggling RAM and disk IO in intense workstation tasks is inefficient as well.

The ability to handle this is important in workstation tasks like I described. Look at how a Dell Precision T-series workstations are built with 4 and 6 channel DDR, with Xeons that have massive memory IO and huge L3 cache. This is really important with all the context switching and memory swapping that goes on when running a VM and multiple apps both in the VM and in the host OS.

 

[Bee9]

Like bringing up 9900k thermals to explain away 3300X bad thermals (which was done earlier)?

Don't fight fire with fire. Not going far with it and only bring negative experience.

I think the IO subsystem on AMD platforms is lackluster.

I see. So, AMD is quite not the system suitable for your workload. Have you checked out AMD Epyc series with 8 memory channel?

 

[coozie78]

On the subject of thermals how does the 3300X manage to pull 67C while the 2700X only reaches 62C when using the same Noctua cooler?
Just curious here.

 

[RandallFlagg]

I see. So, AMD is quite not the system suitable for your workload. Have you checked out AMD Epyc series with 8 memory channel?

I am just not in the market at that price point, we're talking about $10K+ workstations now. That's fine at the office but this is my WFH laptop.

What I want is to get the best bang for the buck in a heavy duty desktop replacement laptop. My 7700HQ isn't really cutting it anymore. It's a Powerspec (microcenter) box which is really a rebranded Clevo.

I was looking at some of the big brand laptops with various CPUs, including the Ryzens. But after seeing their performance, I'm beginning to gravitate back to the Clevo types.

Interestingly, there's a Prostar that has a 3700X in it. Full desktop chip, no reviews though.

 

[bug]

A plague whos death rate has been adjusted down almost daily at this point. More people are looking at the lower and lower fatality rate and are able to rationalize the risk VS their quality of life. Going from a 2-3% death rate to a .2% death rate will do that. And with nothing else to do, why not build a gaming PC and enjoy the staycation?

Except in the real world, death rate started around 4% and is now just shy of 7%: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
But don't let numbers fool you or anything.

 

[Bee9]

What I want is to get the best bang for the buck in a heavy duty desktop replacement laptop. My 7700HQ isn't really cutting it anymore. It's a Powerspec (microcenter) box which is really a rebranded Clevo.

I was looking at some of the big brand laptops with various CPUs, including the Ryzens. But after seeing their performance, I'm beginning to gravitate back to the Clevo types.

Interestingly, there's a Prostar that has a 3700X in it. Full desktop chip, no reviews though.

I hope they will release more heavy duty laptops with AMD cpu in the future. Intel has been doing lobby and slept with many laptop manufacturers for years that it’s hard for them to make the switch to AMD. It may takes 1 to 2 years to plan ahead (Part of my work is to do corporate forecasting so I know first hand how much inertia Intel has created for OEM). Laptop manufacturers need to get their cash cow going and then turn to your market later on.

Nevertheless, with AMD pushing hard, you will enjoy better pricing for both intel and amd in the near future, which is an amazing news, isn’t it?

 

[RandallFlagg]

I hope they will release more heavy duty laptops with AMD cpu in the future. Intel has been doing lobby and slept with many laptop manufacturers for years that it’s hard for them to make the switch to AMD. It may takes 1 to 2 years to plan ahead (Part of my work is to do corporate forecasting so I know first hand how much inertia Intel has created for OEM). Laptop manufacturers need to get their cash cow going and then turn to your market later on.

Nevertheless, with AMD pushing hard, you will enjoy better pricing for both intel and amd in the near future, which is an amazing news, isn’t it?

Agree. I have a lot of respect for Lisa Su and what she has done at AMD. Her history is that of a hard core engineer, not a finance or marketing type. I know that Intel has pissed away their process tech lead, the result of having marketing/finance types at the helm for years. It looks to me like they may lose part of the retail midrange laptop and part of the corporate laptop market as a result. This is where they are strong now, and those are the two largest markets.

Having said that... Ice Lake will dominate the ultra thin and light category. The MacBook Air 2020 was just released and has the new Ice Lake chips, the increase in CPU performance vs the Skylake versions of the Air from 2019 and prior is massive. We're talking going from 748 for the fastest 2019 to 1104 for the 2020 Air in single thread Geekbench. This is a 10W chip though, Ice Lake doesn't matter in 15W+ uses. In the sense that Intel was unable to use this on their desktop and server chips due to the process node issues, AMD got very lucky.

 

[Paganstomp]

after seeing this I'm quite happy with an i5-9600KF and I am glad that I didn't pull the trigger on any of those overpriced i9-9900's!

 

[Tsukiyomi91]

@bug If I were to build a low-baller PC that's meant solely for gaming, the 3300X would be my first pick without thinking twice. Top it off with a B550 board, 16GB RAM, GTX1660 Super, a cheap 500GB NVMe PCIe SSD boot drive, 550W PSU & a decent case, I would spend no more than $900 for the entire build while keeping on par with a used Core i7-3770K that costs 2.5x more than the 3300X.

 

[Frick]

Really? There's that many people still wanting to shop for electronics during this modern day plague?

A bit off topic, but yeah. People have the time. Home remodeling is huge right now, in Sweden anyway. Computer stuff on swedish ebay got more expensive when covid-19 hit. Some business are thriving because of the virus.

 

[sutyi]

This is some kind of cognitive bias. In December 2019 Tom's says the i3-9350K is 'too little too late'. Then in May 2020 they say the 3300x is 'just what gamers need'.... It looks to me like these merely prove that games are not actually all that reliant on multiple threads.

Welcome to magical world of value, where the pricing your product either makes it "Just what budget gamers need!" or "Too little too late..."

Current pricing:

9350KF ~ 170USD/155EUR (4C/4T + needs a Z390 board if you want to OC)
3300X ~ 120USD/130EUR (4C/8T)
3600 ~ 175USD /177EUR (6/12T)

Here in Hungary it is pretty much the same story pricing wise, but the price difference is relatively small between 3300X and 3600 I would rather buy the latter for a 20% price bump and get 50% more cores and threads so I don't have to bother taking my rig apart in case next gen console stuff will be more CPU heavy.

 

[Dyatlov A]

I see you are an Intel fanboy, but when you check 3300X and 9350KF without OC, in the really CPU-bound Far Cry 5, the 3300X is faster. And the 9350KF costs NEARLY $170. LOL, funny guy you are.

And you speak about thermals. Really, we speak of 67C? Is it high or what? You get 90C or near 100C with an OCd 9900K.

Is Core i3 9350KF has HT? If not, than will be interesting the next gen with it at 5GHz.