AMD Ryzen 7 4700G "Renoir" Desktop Processor Pictured

[xvi]

FOOLS! We need to all talk about how we wouldn't pay more than $200 for this so when AMD looks around online at threads like these, they price it just a little higher than our expectations and we get a nice processor for cheap!

 

[Melvis]

My inwin CHOPIN would love one of these new chips!

 

[Rob94hawk]

A little behind the times but are the iGPU's working in conjunction with the stand alone GPU's yet? Like ATI's crossfire?

GTFO you two.

Still higher than Intel's RAM speeds.

If China made products they way they make virus' I might be more excited about this.

 

[xvi]

A little behind the times but are the iGPU's working in conjunction with the stand alone GPU's yet? Like ATI's crossfire?

A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away, DirectX 12 was supposed to split rendering workload between all available GPUs. A quick Googling says that feature is called Explicit Multi-GPU and I guess developers found it too tough to implement.
That would, in theory, allow your integrated Intel GPU, your nVidia GPU, and your AMD card to all work together.

Edit: There was some hype surrounding it on launch for pretty much exactly the reason you mentioned. Why try to overclock your GPU to get an extra 5-10% when you can just enable the iGPU for a similar bump?

 

[spnidel]

I was so excited till i saw where it is made. Was hoping for Malaysia.

boycott AMD

 

[Chrispy_]

Am I missing something?

Why is "Made in China" such a problem? Sure, the US govt is throwing tariffs at China and their government is making some particularly questionable choices right now - but we all know that the important part of the product comes from Taiwan and likely the tariffs/economics/COVID-19 are meaning that the smarter choice for AMD right now is to package in China.

Costs aren't really affected by tariffs since the company assembling in China is AMD, a US firm. Also, there's no real evidence to support the Malaysia-assembled CPUs being of different quality to the China-assembled CPUs.

Made in China is likely due to time constraints and travel contstraints right now.

 

[spnidel]

Am I missing something?

Why is "Made in China" such a problem? Sure, the US govt is throwing tariffs at China and their government is making some particularly questionable choices right now - but we all know that the important part of the product comes from Taiwan and likely the tariffs/economics/COVID-19 are meaning that the smarter choice for AMD right now is to package in China.

Costs aren't really affected by tariffs since the company assembling in China is AMD, a US firm. Also, there's no real evidence to support the Malaysia-assembled CPUs being of different quality to the China-assembled CPUs.

Made in China is likely due to time constraints and travel contstraints right now.

you probably missed the fact that I was poking fun at the guy, just like how reddit IMO is overblowing the zen 3 motherboard compatibility situation

 

[Caring1]

you probably missed the fact that I was poking fun at the guy, just like how reddit IMO is overblowing the zen 3 motherboard compatibility situation

I missed that too, perhaps add an emote next time.

 

[Chrispy_]

you probably missed the fact that I was poking fun at the guy, just like how reddit IMO is overblowing the zen 3 motherboard compatibility situation

Heh, I figured you were being sarcastic, your system specs don't seem to line up with your message otherwise

I guess my question was probably @Turmania and @Rob94hawk.

 

[btarunr]

This.

It's a 3700X that trades L3 cache for Vega graphics, so it's going to be roughly the same price as a 3700X, most likely.

I predict the L3 tradeoff won't be as harsh on performance as some would think. With "Zen 2" CCD, AMD had to double L3 cache per CCX to help it overcome IFOP latencies, especially for memory access. On "Renoir" everything sits on the same die. There should be some performance loss, but not much. The only way to really test this would be to compare 4700G to a 3700X clock-for-clock.

 

[sergionography]

I'd say about 200, a steal if it comes at that price.

It's a Ryzen 7
that alone should give you a clue on product placement. Everyone expecting it to be in line with last gen APUs isn't paying much attention to the branding and core count. Why would an 8 core 3700x equivalent with a gpu on top cost any cheaper than the 3700x itself.
In comparison, Ryzen 5 3400g is about 150 dollars, while ryzen 5 3300x is about 120 dollars.

 

[Chrispy_]

I predict the L3 tradeoff won't be as harsh on performance as some would think. With "Zen 2" CCD, AMD had to double L3 cache per CCX to help it overcome IFOP latencies, especially for memory access. On "Renoir" everything sits on the same die. There should be some performance loss, but not much. The only way to really test this would be to compare 4700G to a 3700X clock-for-clock.

Renoir still has two CCX on a CCD though, right?

The fact it's all sitting on the same piece of silicon doesn't change the architecture that dictates two quad-core CCX communicating via infinity fabric. I thought we were waiting on Zen3 architecture to put 8 cores in a single CCX? It would be nice if I'm wrong in this case....

 

[trparky]

I thought we were waiting on Zen3 architecture to put 8 cores in a single CCX?

Now I may me reading this sort of "chip map" wrong but if I'm reading it right, it looks like all eight cores are going to be in one CCX since I don't see an Infinity Fabric block inside the area that mentions the CPU cores.

 

[Chrispy_]

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Now I may me reading this sort of "chip map" wrong but if I'm reading it right, it looks like all eight cores are going to be in one CCX since I don't see an Infinity Fabric block inside the area that mentions the CPU cores.

Those chip maps omit a huge amount of information, but one thing that makes me think there are two CCXs is that they show two seperate 4MB L3 caches, one for each CCX.

• If it was a single CCX there would be one 8MB L3 cache.
• They also split the two groups of four cores apart.

I remember Lisa Su talking about Zen3 architecture and one of the biggest architectural changes for Zen3 was moving from 2x4C CCX to a single 1x8C CCX. Since this isn't Zen3, I can only assume that it's still 4C CCXs otherwise she wouldn't have been highlighting an 8C CCX as a key Zen3 benefit over Zen2.

 

[wurschti]

It's a Ryzen 7
that alone should give you a clue on product placement. Everyone expecting it to be in line with last gen APUs isn't paying much attention to the branding and core count. Why would an 8 core 3700x equivalent with a gpu on top cost any cheaper than the 3700x itself.
In comparison, Ryzen 5 3400g is about 150 dollars, while ryzen 5 3300x is about 120 dollars.

I know, but still, one is allowed to dream. Anyways, I do not think it will be a fully fledged Ryzen 7, but with lower Cache, just like the mobile counterparts.
Realistically tho, if it costs more that 250, i t will be difficult to market to the budget gamers. They want more GPU that CPU. imo