Ryzen Owners Zen Garden

[Nordic]

Alright. I am going to try these settings out.

 

[Nordic]

I have learned that I can overclock the DRAM or I can have my DRAM and FCLK coupled.
This seems to be the best I can do outside of XMP.

X570 and Ryzen is the most frustrating platform I have ever worked with. All week last week I was running the CPU at stock with PBO off and my memory at XMP speeds. Now I can't even boot at XMP speeds again. The inconsistency is horribly frustrating.

 

[tabascosauz]

@Nordic chasing memory instabilities on Ryzen is extremely frustrating. More times than I can count, I've been led to believe that my timings are stable through all the usual benchmarks and weeks or months of heavy usage and gaming, only to run into a successive series of crashes, errors and BSODs entirely out of the blue with nothing having changed.

When my DDR3 kits were unstable, they always let me know right away and would not stop pestering me until I fixed the problem(s).

On a side note, working manually on the subtimings gained me no visible latency advantage in AIDA and only a bit of bandwidth, but the membench results speak for themselves:


They're not particularly spectacular if you take a look at the online submission list, but I've never been below 125-130 seconds in any of the CL16 or CL17 profiles I've tried in the past; I say that counts as a very small win. Also, I'm pretty sure that baseline is set with B-die.

 

[TheLostSwede]

I have learned that I can overclock the DRAM or I can have my DRAM and FCLK coupled.
This seems to be the best I can do outside of XMP.

X570 and Ryzen is the most frustrating platform I have ever worked with. All week last week I was running the CPU at stock with PBO off and my memory at XMP speeds. Now I can't even boot at XMP speeds again. The inconsistency is horribly frustrating.

Please don't blame AMD, blame your RAM. Corsair LPX and Ryzen is just a combination made in hell. You're going to tear out your hair with that RAM.
Since AGESA 1.0.0.3 ABBA I have had zero issues and things have only improved with the 1.0.0.4 releases. I don't have QVL RAM and in fact, I just took a chance when I bought the modules I have, even more so when I got a second set. Yet they run fine at 3800MHz at CAS 16.

 

[Nordic]

I have never experienced such inconsistentency with hardware before.

 

[TheLostSwede]

I have never experienced such inconsistentency with hardware before.

I will fully admit that for the first three months or so, until AGESA 1.0.0.3 ABBA came out, the platform was unstable as anything. After that, I have had exactly zero issues, my system works better than advertised on every regards, my CPU boosts higher than the advertised max boost, my RAM purrs at 3800MHz CAS 16, not had a BSOD, random lockup/reboot or anything else weird happen.

However, you have what is most likely the worst possible RAM for your system and you're far from the only one having problem with Corsair LPX modules on a Ryzen rig. If you can afford it, swap them out for something else, it'll save you a lot of headache.
Either Samsung B-dies or Hynix CJR/DJR seems to be the way to go, although newer Micron ICs seems to be ok as well, if a bit higher latency overall.

 

[Nordic]

In another month or two I may consider buying Gskill Neo or that Patriot memory as recommended here.

 

[TheLostSwede]

In another month or two I may consider buying Gskill Neo or that Patriot memory as recommended here.

It sucks having the "wrong" RAM and I know, as I had Corsair LPX modules with my Ryzen 7 1700 and could never get them to work quite right either. Even two years in, they wouldn't go over 3000MHz and it was a 3200MHz kit. That might've been partially AMD's fault, as the memory controller wasn't great on first gen Ryzen CPUs. However, that RAM had exactly the same issue with my Ryzen 7 3800X and my system was crashing all over the place when I tried using that RAM in my new build. As such, I took a wild chance on the Patriot Viper modules and it paid off big time. Even though I could only run them at 3200MHz on the first couple of UEFI releases, 3600 soon worked and then more, despite it being a 3600MHz kit.

Yes, AMD should've done more testing before launching their platforms, but I guess when you have limited capital, you also have to get the product out there. Based on my working experience, most companies push the product out and fix the "software" later, even if the software is the product...

 

[harm9963]

@Nordic chasing memory instabilities on Ryzen is extremely frustrating. More times than I can count, I've been led to believe that my timings are stable through all the usual benchmarks and weeks or months of heavy usage and gaming, only to run into a successive series of crashes, errors and BSODs entirely out of the blue with nothing having changed.

When my DDR3 kits were unstable, they always let me know right away and would not stop pestering me until I fixed the problem(s).

On a side note, working manually on the subtimings gained me no visible latency advantage in AIDA and only a bit of bandwidth, but the membench results speak for themselves:
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They're not particularly spectacular if you take a look at the online submission list, but I've never been below 125-130 seconds in any of the CL16 or CL17 profiles I've tried in the past; I say that counts as a very small win. Also, I'm pretty sure that baseline is set with B-die.

Try default MEMbench ,thank you.

 

[tabascosauz]

Try default MEMbench ,thank you.

Comparing to other Matisse chips in the submission table, more or less where it should be. Slower stuff slower, faster stuff faster. Almost identical results to a 3800X with 3600 16-16-16-32 B-die, but not the same version of membench, so not comparable.

 

[heky]

Guess i beat the reference by just a little. Did 2 runs, first was 101.26 second 101.51.

 

[Lorec]

Just had a random crash.
Literally, my screens went black in a blink of an eye.
No BSODs. Nothing.
I cleared CMOS and let it cooldown.
It boot right back up and it works.

but damn that gave me a scare!
I can understand unstable overclocks but Im running base speed currently!
DOSP, PBO - disabled, CPB -disabled, rest is Auto.
I was playing Call of Duty Warzone, temps were under 60C
EDIT: it was full on Warzones fault

 

[Kanan]

Bought Ryzen 3700X few weeks ago. Works pretty good, I have used PBO on max power settings, it got another 500 MHz in Prime 95 small fft and generally up to 5% extra performance in any CPU benchmark. I also tuned my ram from 3600 to 3800, the Infinity Fabric had no problem with it! Later i retuned the ram to 3600 and improved timings, that's what I'm using now, works pretty well. CPU is fast as fuck, but if i needed more performance for future games I could tune RAM further to improve performance. Yeah, pretty happy! Overclocking is annoying anyway, this CPU will never be unstable because it overclocks itself and manages itself. PBO is kinda, the best thing ever, IMO.

 

[Nordic]

Bought Ryzen 3700X few weeks ago. Works pretty good, I have used PBO on max power settings, it got another 500 MHz in Prime 95 small fft and generally up to 5% extra performance in any CPU benchmark. I also tuned my ram from 3600 to 3800, the Infinity Fabric had no problem with it! Later i retuned the ram to 3600 and improved timings, that's what I'm using now, works pretty well. CPU is fast as fuck, but if i needed more performance for future games I could tune RAM further to improve performance. Yeah, pretty happy! Overclocking is annoying anyway, this CPU will never be unstable because it overclocks itself and manages itself. PBO is kinda, the best thing ever, IMO.

If you haven't already, make sure you download the latest chipset drivers from AMDs website. You should also look into at: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/1usmus-custom-power-plan-for-ryzen-3000-zen-2-processors/

 

[Kanan]

If you haven't already, make sure you download the latest chipset drivers from AMDs website. You should also look into at: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/1usmus-custom-power-plan-for-ryzen-3000-zen-2-processors/

Thanks I'll look into it!

 

[GoldenX]

Created a bit of a monster. Got the original AM3 Wraith and swapped the fan with the stock one on the Wraith Spire (the solid aluminium block one, not the cool vapour chamber one). Basically a poor's man Wraith MAX. PBO now hits 4000-4050MHz on its own, instead of 3850-3900.

 

[tabascosauz]

Finally broke 5000 on 3700X with the new cooler. No manual overclocking involved, just normal voltages plus PBO, +7 PPT, -7 EDC, other PBO settings default. Clocks were around 41.25x, which is about the same as with the U9S in this config, but I guess the poor lil U9S was getting too hot to sustain those clocks to the end of the bench. Mine definitely isn't a golden chip so I'm happy with the result and will just go back to stock.

Stock already gets to 4980 with the new cooler, no sense in running this daily to gain 21pts.

 

[Kanan]

New windows upgrade is allegedly boosting Ryzen performance, I'm curious if this will be true.

 

[NoJuan999]

New windows upgrade is allegedly boosting Ryzen performance, I'm curious if this will be true.

Do you have any links to this info, I'd be curious as to what exact Windows version is being discussed.

 

[Kanan]

Do you have any links to this info, I'd be curious as to what exact Windows version is being discussed.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/gslxia
please take with a grain of salt.

 

[dark2099]

So all my wonderful TPU friends, I need a bit of help. Old pc took a shit a week ago, so grabbed a 3900x. Had to get a AM4 mounting kit for my Corsair H115i. Well set it up the other day, and the temps were worse than stock cooler. Now a while back I had swapped the fans out for something quieter, that I thought were better (never properly tested, but on my Intel rig at the time, was ok). After some fiddling with the help of @sneekypeet, and swapping the Corsair out for the ID-Cooling Chromaflow 240 I had purchased for another rig, temps were better on the Chromaflow. So sneeky and I gave a guess it was the fans. Well here we are a few days later and I got what I hoped were better fans for the Corsair, but after setting it up again with the new fans (even with the volts dropped and fans maxed), still running hotter than the stock cooler. So here I sit in need of a new AIO for this puppy. For those going to suggest just using the Chromaflow, that has to go on the rig it was bought for as that is Intel s775. Thanks!

 

[heky]

Hm...if the cpu temp is really worse than with the stock cooler, i would say it's either a bad/wrong (have you checked the contact between the coldplate and cpu) mount or the unit is faulty. There is little to no chance a 280 AIO performs worse than the stock cooler.

 

[dark2099]

Hm...if the cpu temp is really worse than with the stock cooler, i would say it's either a bad/wrong (have you checked the contact between the coldplate and cpu) mount or the unit is faulty. There is little to no chance a 280 AIO performs worse than the stock cooler.

Pretty sure it is the mount, grabbed a H60 locally, and that is running better than the H115i. Can't tighten the mount on the H115i any more, and don't want to risk damaging anything in messing with it.

 

[tabascosauz]

It looks like this middle-of-the-road chip wants to go even further. I accidentally had my AC on full blast despite last two days being rainy - 6C drop in room temperature for another 20 points. This isn't even Windows 2004.



Absolutely no tweaking. Bone stock. Effective clock is still up at 41.25x because of the chip's voltage wall, but I suspect that the lower the ambient temperature and the better the cooler, the longer it can sustain that clock through the test without dropping to 41x or 40.8x.

So if you are curious about what boost can do, turn up that AC and run some CB

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Anyone know what the max soc voltage is on Ryzen 3##£