AMD "Matisse Refresh" Processor SKUs Include 3900XT, 3800XT, and 3600XT

[thesmokingman]

What is interesting is that all three CPUs will feature higher clock speeds & enhanced overclock support. Our sources also suggest that the boost algorithms for the new CPUs are more tightly tuned which should result in 5-10% performance improvement over existing parts.

From the original source. And yet this thread gets started off on crazy talk of 700mhz increase?

 

[BoboOOZ]

200MHz on an all core boost would be insane. Current chips top out at 4.2-4.3. Hopefully it's that and not a single core, 2 second, ultra lightweight load boost...

I think it's quite likely to be at the 200MHz mark. First, AMD is binning their chips, which is visible in the 4800HS vs 4800H comparisons, where you get the same performance or higher with 10W less consumption. Second, looking at overclocking comparisons between 3600/3600x, it surely looks like they haven't been giving us their best silicon and they've been saving it for a refresh. Also, I think even AMD's marketing realizes that only 100MHz would look not that great...

 

[RandallFlagg]

So, in July they launch a 'new' Ryzen 2. Then in late Sept-Early Oct (Computex) they are expected to launch Ryzen 3. Two months later.

Sure, this makes sense....

 

[Decryptor009]

Heck i may move from my 2600X to one of these.

 

[Teiji]

Hopefully, this is fake news. Because I'm looking forward to Ryzen 4000 at the end of the year for a new build. Been waiting since Feb 2020.

 

[ARF]

Hopefully, this is fake news.

"Source" is wccftech, so yes, definitely a fake news. Why do they publish 1 April news articles on May 23rd is beyond my understanding.
Maybe wccftech robot got a bug.

 

[WeeRab]

Why Can't CPU stay stable at 4.6ghz for sustained speed ?on all cores , they can only stay at 4.3ghz.

Could be insufficient cooling. PBO boost and temps are linked to prevent chip damage.

 

[Space Lynx]

I disagree with that completely... Although most people and therefore, most consumers, are idiots, I find it difficult to believe that some of them would take the huge risk of spending hundreds of dollars on a GPU before they see what the competition has to offer all to start playing a $60 game a little bit earlier (and what is so important about playing this game a little bit earlier when you've already been waiting months and years) ... Thats ridiculous

Ampere is a safe buy, RDNA 2 is not as driver history of the last 3 gens proves. People won't feel bad or feel like an idiot, I promise.

 

[ARF]

Ampere is a safe buy, RDNA 2 is not as driver history of the last 3 gens proves. People won't feel bad or feel like an idiot, I promise.

It depends on the final performance. I am still not convinced that Nvidia will release N7 cards soon because of TSMC allocation basically dominated by AMD and Apple. This would mean the performance crown will be with Navi 21.

 

[BoboOOZ]

It depends on the final performance. I am still not convinced that Nvidia will release N7 cards soon because of TSMC allocation basically dominated by AMD and Apple. This would mean the performance crown will be with Navi 21.

Have you seen this? https://wccftech.com/amd-frank-azor-interview/
It doesn't sound like Navi will take any crown. Sounds like AMD had underestimated NVidia gains for the next-gen.

 

[Dante Uchiha]

Have you seen this? https://wccftech.com/amd-frank-azor-interview/
It doesn't sound like Navi will take any crown. Sounds like AMD had underestimated NVidia gains for the next-gen.

No, there's nothing there to indicate that. In fact, RDNA2 is not even cited, AMD interviews usually don't reveal much...

 

[umano]

This is a disturbing and bad news. Does it mean something bad happened to Zen 3 and it is pushed back from September ?

This is a marketing disaster for AMD. People who buy today won't buy in 3 months, and they will be screwed and left sitting with much inferior products.

It is the Intel 10th gen answer to people that are going to build now. It is nice to have an improved sku because there are millions of different buying choices someone can make
I wanted to build a very expensive and compact PC almost a year ago, but 3950x was late, there is no itx board with 2 m2 10gbe and thunderbolt so I said I will wait.
Waiting for zen 3 and spend 6k on a dying socket does not make sense to me, so I compromised and I recently bought a 3800x. At the moment I do not need the fastest PC on earth.
This is the first time I am doing something like this, usually I bought the best I could afford, but this time I changed my habit.
That is not a MKT disaster at all, but for example if I buy a 3900x in June and I can reach the frequency of the 3900xt, then it is marketing BS

 

[Space Lynx]

Would be nice if AMD would just have some transparency and let us know what is going on June 16th instead of playing the mystery game, that way we can decide to wait or not. Well I am going to wait anyway I suppose, so meh.

 

[Tom Yum]

Consider only the 3000 APU's are compatible with B350 (graph shows 3000G as compatible but 3000X as incompatible)
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My 3900x running fine on my X370 Taichi begs to differ. There is a difference between what AMD will officially support and what the motherboard manufacturers will support via BIOS update. My board received Matisse support the day it came out, and runs a 3900x absolutely fine. I wouldn't be surprised if it received another update to support the refresh.

 

[BoboOOZ]

No, there's nothing there to indicate that. In fact, RDNA2 is not even cited, AMD interviews usually don't reveal much...

Meh, you weren't listening, he said clearly that they will do in graphics what they did in CPUs, but it's very hard and this generation they will not take the crown, it's more like zen+

 

[ShurikN]

Meh, you weren't listening, he said clearly that they will do in graphics what they did in CPUs, but it's very hard and this generation they will not take the crown, it's more like zen+

Zen and Zen+ were much closer to Intel's offerings in gaming, than RDNA1 is to the best Nvidia card, the 2080ti.

 

[BoboOOZ]

Zen and Zen+ were much closer to Intel's offerings in gaming, than RDNA1 is to the best Nvidia card, the 2080ti.

That is your analogy, the analogy the man is making is that they have taken the crown with the 4th try, the 4000 series for laptops, and for graphics we're only at the 2nd try.

 

[Vayra86]

I disagree with that completely... Although most people and therefore, most consumers, are idiots, I find it difficult to believe that some of them would take the huge risk of spending hundreds of dollars on a GPU before they see what the competition has to offer all to start playing a $60 game a little bit earlier (and what is so important about playing this game a little bit earlier when you've already been waiting months and years) ... Thats ridiculous

Yeah, that sounds like teenage hype to me too. It was and is never a good idea to buy a GPU based on a game release. You also do have those typical topics about it saying 'What PC do I need to build for game X'... its like.. yeah. You don't get it do you?

But that is remarkably similar to having to play on launch day, which, like all early adoption, is shit.

I've learned to be patient, never buy on release, even if its CBP2077 I'll just wait a few weeks or months to let the dust settle. Game won't go anywhere but into an improved state, time is my ally.

Anyway...

Meh, you weren't listening, he said clearly that they will do in graphics what they did in CPUs, but it's very hard and this generation they will not take the crown, it's more like zen+

Yeah... they will do in graphics what they did in CPUs. Poor Volta... right? This story is as old as Fury X and has surfaced ever since AMD had nothing to show for it. Not buying this BS. There is a tiny, tiny little difference between CPUs and GPUs... on the latter, Nvidia hasn't been sitting idle, their product is simply better. Fact of the matter is, RDNA2 will go just as far as the new consoles go and that means they will not be chasing the top end before Nvidia has specified what that is. Which means its same shit different day. You don't just catch up two gens in one fell swoop, and Navi already took too long.

 

[bencrutz]

My 3900x running fine on my X370 Taichi begs to differ. There is a difference between what AMD will officially support and what the motherboard manufacturers will support via BIOS update. My board received Matisse support the day it came out, and runs a 3900x absolutely fine. I wouldn't be surprised if it received another update to support the refresh.

heh, i thought i'm the only one who runs ryzen 3000 on a x370 (also taichi) here

 

[PTyop]

Just out of curiosity, because I'm always curious when people do this, why did you pair a 1700 with a B350 board? The original MSRP on the 1700 was $329 (assuming you bought it at that price), so how is it that someone has $330 for a CPU but not $150 for an X370 board? Likewise, I'm always curious when I see a 3900x or 3950x with a B450 board... How could someone have $500-$750 for a CPU, and then only $120 for the motherboard? I'd always wonder the same think when I'd see, for example, a 9900k with a 1060...or when people paired an X299 board with an i5-7640x... Im not trying to be a snob and ask "why don't you have more money, I'm not wealthy," well off" or anything like that by any stretch of the imagination, I'm asking what are the reasons behind utilizing what would typically be described as not a recommended pairing

I wouldn't answer about 3950X and B450 but you have to remember the 1700 was a 65W part. And if the features of X370s MB are useless to the buyer, why bother ?
The power delivery of even the cheapest of A320 MB is sufficient for a >100W CPU. And sufficient is often the world if you're budget conscious.
The same goes for pairing CPUs and GPUs. If you need processor power (ie. not gaming) why would you spend money on an expensive GPU ? On the opposite end, for gaming it's often a better option to save cash on the CPU and put it in the GPU.
I remember a time I had to buy a 300€ MB for a 75€ / 45W CPU because it was the cheapest option for the I/Os I had to get in. And CPU was enough for it's load. Sure the MB was made to handle 250W CPU but it wasn't really the needed feature. Going for a more common route with 120€ MB would have cost me about 150€ for the equivalent CPU, 200€ in expansion card and 80€ for a new case.

 

[ARF]

Yeah... they will do in graphics what they did in CPUs. Poor Volta... right? This story is as old as Fury X and has surfaced ever since AMD had nothing to show for it. Not buying this BS. There is a tiny, tiny little difference between CPUs and GPUs... on the latter, Nvidia hasn't been sitting idle, their product is simply better. Fact of the matter is, RDNA2 will go just as far as the new consoles go and that means they will not be chasing the top end before Nvidia has specified what that is. Which means its same shit different day. You don't just catch up two gens in one fell swoop, and Navi already took too long.

A simple problem:

Navi 10 is 251 sq. mm with performance 100% and performance per watt 100%.

How much faster will Navi 21 be if it is 505 sq. mm with (>) 50% higher performance per watt ?

 

[ShurikN]

A simple problem:

Navi 10 is 251 sq. mm with performance 100% and performance per watt 100%.

How much faster will Navi 21 be if it is 505 sq. mm with (>) 50% higher performance per watt ?

The problem with that logic is that those things dont scale linearly

 

[ARF]

The problem with that logic is that those things dont scale linearly

And so what? You have all the data from previous GPUs which can show you the scaling opportunities.
It can scale better than linearly or worse than linearly.

 

[ShurikN]

It can scale better than linearly or worse than linearly.

Yes and that's why no one can give you the answer to:

How much faster will Navi 21 be if it is 505 sq. mm with (>) 50% higher performance per watt ?

until cards launch and someone does an apples to apples comparison.

 

[r9]

More like my wish list.

My expectations:

• 400-700 MHz speed bumps
• Mothballed AMD XFR tech could be revived. With the right coolers the XT chips could hit/cross 5 GHz, but AMD will be careful not to write "5 GHz" on its specs sheet
• XFR and Intel TVB are similar in what they do (short-burst opportunistic auto-overclocking dictated by cooling)
• Possible PBO revival