10700 vs 3700x which one if both priced almost the same ?

[tabascosauz]

I haven't seen that mentioned yet, but intels got a really bad track record so far for backwards support

I really am not trying to be argumentative, but each mainstream socket since LGA1156 has received at least 2 generations of CPU, and there's no indication that LGA1200 will be any different. Both will require a BIOS update, through flashback or other means.

I don't think AMD can claim the high ground there since what happened over Vermeer compatibility for B450. Intel has at least personally been much more no-frills in providing backwards socket compatibility through BIOS updates - AGESA for Matisse has taken a lot of time to get to where it is now. Though that may be a moot point, given Rocket Lake is shaping up to be the biggest departure in CPU uarch on a single socket since the LGA775 days, Intel may have its work cut out for it in firmware.

 

[cucker tarlson]

I really am not trying to be argumentative, but each mainstream socket since LGA1156 has received at least 2 generations of CPU, and there's no indication that LGA1200 will be any different. Both will require a BIOS update, through flashback or other means.

leave it,hopeless

maybe go with whatever platform is more familiar.

imo best advice here.

EDIT: The PC is for Gaming/Capture in game footage

what GPU and monitor ?

and lots of video encoding

is he using gpu accelerated software ?

 

[Mussels]

do you read TPU ?

I also have a life, and i've seen intel delaying and backflipping on a lot of tech promises, so i wouldnt hold to anything about upcoming intel CPU's and their compatibility and performance.

At least with AMD's upcoming CPU's, we do have a fair bit of info.

 

[cucker tarlson]

I also have a life, and i've seen intel delaying and backflipping on a lot of tech promises, so i wouldnt hold to anything about upcoming intel CPU's and their compatibility and performance.

At least with AMD's upcoming CPU's, we do have a fair bit of info.

that is your outlook on intel,don't know if it's relevant.

 

[HD64G]

Ryzen is the best choice for efficiency, PCIE4.0, upgradeability and security.

 

[SL2]

The PC is for Gaming/Capture in game footage , and lots of video encoding

What graphics card will he use? If it's anything less than a high end card, the Intel argument is gone.

Prices are crazy sure but that's what available at the local market.

Is buying locally a requirement? For that money he could get 12 cores online.

 

[cucker tarlson]

What graphics card will he use? If it's anything less than a high end card, the Intel argument is gone.


Is buying locally a requirement? For that money he could get 12 cores online.

that would include a next gen upper mid range

Is buying locally a requirement? For that money he could get 12 cores online.

and a much better board

 

[SL2]

that would include a next gen upper mid range

Honestly, I don't know where to draw the line here, where exactly the GPU becomes the bottleneck.

On the other hand, we don't know the display resolution..

 

[cucker tarlson]

Honestly, I don't know where to draw the line here, where the GPU becomes the bottleneck.

On the other hand, we don't know the display resolution..

imo over 75hz with a decent gpu
this is a lot

 

[SL2]

and a much better board

Dunno if he needs a better board if not OC'ing. Lower price tho.

 

[cucker tarlson]

Dunno if he needs a better board if not OC'ing. Lower price tho.

doesn't matter if he's ocing or not better boards are not only for better vrm
better audio,more connectors of every possible type (usb,m.2,fan etc.) and better features overall

 

[SL2]

this is a lot

Yup, it's also a €1500 card. It's unlikely at this point that he'll go for that, especially since it wasn't even mentioned which GPU he wants.

doesn't matter if he's ocing or not better boards are not only for better vrm
better audio,more connectors of every possible type (usb,m.2,fan etc.) and better features overall

You mean it doesn't matter for you.
There are a lot of people coming to this forum looking for decent prices. We don't know his priorities yet.

My friend want to upgrade his PC going from i7 860 to either 10700 or 3700x,

Can you find out what kind of display he'll be using, which graphics card (model or budget), and is he going for a high end SSD?

 

[cucker tarlson]

You mean it doesn't matter for you.

no,it means that better board has better features all around not just for overclocking

Yup, it's also a €1500 card.

fantastic.the better the cpu does with a card like that,the better it will do with next generations

 

[jayseearr]

404$ dollars for a 3700x? Yikes, that's highway robbery. I only paid $270 for mine.

At $404 dollars you can pretty much buy a 3900x here in the states

 

[aQi]

Ask your friend to wait a bit for Ryzen 400000000 series. Trust amd’s per dollar edge over Intel and leaping performance. After amd threadripper pro and 4000g performance measures. The 4th gen is going to surprise as amd learnt alot from 3rd gen as well.

 

[raptori]

What graphics card will he use? If it's anything less than a high end card, the Intel argument is gone.


Is buying locally a requirement? For that money he could get 12 cores online.

GPU : he will upgrade later probably Nvidia 3000 series , currently GTX 1060 3GB , yes it's far from ideal but the budget now is for CPU+MB+RAM+M.2
Buying locally maybe the only available option, buying online then add shipping cost + tax =~ local prices
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Just to clarify :
This CPU and MB will be used for the next at least 5 - 7 years with no intention to upgrade nor OC whatsoever.
GPU : upgrade later, probably Nvidia 3000 series mid-high range.

RAM will be 32GB (16x2) HyperX Fury 16GB RGB 3733 MHz DDR4 Memory ( cheaper option available is 2666 ).
SSD according to available products and prices will be Kingston A2000 1TB NVMe.
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PSU he has Corsair HX850 Gold

 

[dgianstefani]

10th gen intel does much better framerates than any ryzen 3000 when paired with a high end GPU that lets it stretch its legs. Doesn't matter if you're comparing a 3600 or a 3950x, the 10400f blows them both out of the water for pure fps. 10700 is even better obviously. Considering your friend is going to pair the CPU with a next gen GPU. It's likely he will be getting 2080/2080ti levels of performance, which means it's braindead to pair that with a CPU that will limit FPS. To all those raving about "muh AMD futureproof socket" the guy isn't going to touch the CPU/Mobo for the next 5-7 years...

"muh AMD featuresssss" PCIe 4.0 SSDs offer literally zero real world advantages to normal system usage and gaming over a good PCIe 3.0. Current gen GPUs don't get bottlenecked by PCIe 3.0 x8, and I seriously doubt next gen GPUs are literally twice as fast.

AMD has marginally better productivity for the 3700x, Intel has significantly better FPS.

 

[cucker tarlson]

But removing PL1 limits doesn't really net any in-game performance improvements, only to all-core productivity workloads. In which case, you can't have content to edit without playing a game first and in that respect, there's no question about which one is better.

you wanna have pl1/pl2 removed
avg performance is same,but if you hit PL one of the cores will drop frequency and you may get a frametime spike

believe,this happens even on my 10500

 

[SL2]

no,it means that better board has better features all around not just for overclocking


fantastic.the better the cpu does with a card like that,the better it will do with next generations

Money seems to be an object in this case, we can't just forget that. Otherwise I'm all in for a dream build.

Considering your friend is going to pair the CPU with a next gen GPU. It's likely he will be getting 2080/2080ti levels of performance, which means it's braindead to pair that with a CPU that will limit FPS.

Just no. We still don't know his budget, and that kind of performance doesn't come for cheap. Will Ampere be really fast? Yes. Will Nvidia dump the prices for the first time ever? No.

The chances of him going for faster than 2070 sounds unlikely because it will cost too much. Be realistic here, the gains when gaming isn't really there with such GPU.

You can't just let the gaming part decide, when it will be used for other things as well.

 

[cucker tarlson]

if he uses cuda/opengl accelerated gpu video encoding he should only care about gaming performance

Will Nvidia dump the prices for the first time ever? No.

what are you talking about
they always drop last gen x80Ti performance down to next gen x70 levels
a new rtx3000 that performs like 2080Ti will not cost the same as 2080Ti

 

[SL2]

GPU : he will upgrade later probably Nvidia 3000 series , currently GTX 1060 3GB , yes it's far from ideal but the budget now is for CPU+MB+RAM+M.2

What games does he play currently?

they always drop last gen x80Ti performance down to next gen x70 levels
a new rtx3000 that performs like 2080Ti will not cost the same as 2080Ti

I wouldn't call that dumping. You'll obviously get more performance for the same price.

 

[cucker tarlson]

The chances of him going for faster than 2070 sounds unlikely because it will cost too much. Be realistic here, the gains when gaming isn't really there with such GPU.

you correct us every time yet you know exactly what he will get

buddy,the faster it runs in gaming on 2080Ti,the better you're spending that 400 as far as buying a gaming cpu goes
3700x performs like 10400 in gaming
10700 performs much better than 3600 in productivity

imo if going for ryzen either get a 3600 or a 3900x.3700x price to perf is stupid frankly.
10700 is a good middle of the road solution.high end gaming performance,and still very capable for productivity.

 

[SL2]

you correct us every time yet you know exactly what he will get

I said " sounds unlikey" because I was implying that I don't know for sure. If he bought a 1060 in the past, that's an indicator for me at least. Add the high local prices and it's easy to understand that even that card could have cost over $300 or so.

buddy,the faster it runs in gaming on 2080Ti,the better you're spending that 400 as far as buying a gaming cpu goes

We just have a different point of view, you think gaming matters a lot for the OP, while I don't.

 

[cucker tarlson]

There's pretty mucg

I said " sounds unlikey" because I was implying that I don't know for sure. If he bought a 1060 in the past, that's an indicator for me at least. Add the high local prices and it's easy to understand that even that card could have cost over $300 or so.


We just have a different point of view, you think gaming matters a lot for the OP, while I don't.

that's not "my point of view",that's what he said.
it's your point of view that for a build that will last 5-7 years he will only need a match for a 2070,which is delusional imo but you've a right to speak and have opinios
no one is going to spend 400 on a cpu,200 on a board,and then when buying a gpu for 5-7 years go budget

 

[jayseearr]

100% 10700k, it's basically a faster 3700x core for core. Also runs cooler.

The 3700x has a slight IPC advantage but the 10700k is almost 1ghz faster so it doesn't matter.

He's looking at the 10700, not the 10700k

10th gen intel does much better framerates than any ryzen 3000 when paired with a high end GPU that lets it stretch its legs. Doesn't matter if you're comparing a 3600 or a 3950x, the 10400f blows them both out of the water for pure fps. 10700 is even better obviously. Considering your friend is going to pair the CPU with a next gen GPU. It's likely he will be getting 2080/2080ti levels of performance, which means it's braindead to pair that with a CPU that will limit FPS. To all those raving about "muh AMD futureproof socket" the guy isn't going to touch the CPU/Mobo for the next 5-7 years...

"muh AMD featuresssss" PCIe 4.0 SSDs offer literally zero real world advantages to normal system usage and gaming over a good PCIe 3.0. Current gen GPUs don't get bottlenecked by PCIe 3.0 x8, and I seriously doubt next gen GPUs are literally twice as fast.

AMD has marginally better productivity for the 3700x, Intel has significantly better FPS.

Better fps, but worse value

Both give you a great gaming experience but your upgrade path on AM4 with a b550 is MUCH more promising. You have a wide open path all the way up to 16+cores plus the ryzen 4000 series. That upgradeability is something you simply can't get from intel, and since your buddy does alot of video encoding it's something that could potentially benefit him in the future. It's unfortunate you are looking at such skewed prices wherever you are from because the $60 dollar difference in msrp (should) make the decision much easier.

go with Intel if your buddy is super concerned with a couple of extra frames here and there, and go with Amd if your buddy values his money and wants his system to be useful to him for longer