A Battle Royale for the Ages: Apple Announces Decision to Remove Unreal Engine from iOS and Mac Tools; Epic Games Responds With Another Lawsuit

[Renald]

Never happened, still hasn't happened as Huawei is promising they'll support the OS updates even after the licensing extension expires this month(?) IIRC.

As for Xiaomi you do know they use their own UI, skin & apps much like Samsung, LG et al, completely based on Android?

Never heard of HarmonyOS ? And the problem is not Android but the Play Store access.

And even if Xiaomi is not yet kicked out, it may happen.

 

[medi01]

As I said before

Your inability of comprehending basic text is eclipsed only by you ignorance.

what is epics point in "doing this for developers" now?

Imagine you are a developer.
And somebody buys something yours on apple store.
From 1 buck, you get 70 cents, Apple gets 30 cents.
If that somebody asks for refund, he/she/xim gets all money back, you pay entire buck for every 70 cents you have received, Apple keeps "their" 30 cents.

What where you asking, again?

 

[ExcuseMeWtf]

really? becuase 30% of the $8 is about $2.40 and that's around what apple ADDED to the price.

but lets say your right, and it's 30% including of what apple added, then that would make the cut to the developer around 8-9%
which is now less then what epic takes.

so what is epics point in "doing this for developers" now?

Neither Epic, nor Apple are doing anything for developers lol.

They are doing all for their own profit. And if developers' goals align with either of companies, that's coincidental.

As far as I know, point was that for $8 purchase Apple doesn't get that 30%. Instead Epic gets more from that, without that 30% Apple's cut, so we have clear conflict of interest.

Customer interest is clearly more aligned with Epic, but that doesn't mean that was what Epic intended or they have much of a case, since Apple made that explicit in agreement.

 

[Crackong]

Your inability of comprehending basic text is eclipsed only by you ignorance.

And where is your argument ?

Going personal won't grant you any standpoint.

 

[mbeeston]

Imagine you are a developer.
And somebody buys something yours on apple store.
From 1 buck, you get 70 cents, Apple gets 30 cents.
If that somebody asks for refund, he/she/xim gets all money back, you pay entire buck for every 70 cents you have received, Apple keeps "their" 30 cents.

What where you asking, again?

Apple Does Not Keep the 30% Commission On a Refund [Update] - Slashdot

When a customer gets refunded for an app they purchased, Apple doesn't refund the 30% cut they took from the developer, says developer Simeon Saens of Two Lives Left. While [online] payment processors generally don't refund fees on refunded payments, "the App Store doesn't position itself as a...

news.slashdot.org

say again?

 

[medi01]

Neither Epic, nor Apple are doing anything for developers lol.

Motivations does not matter, the effect does.
Epic winning (I don't find it too likely though, outside EU even less so) would be a win for consumers, small devs.

say again?

Oh, look, Apple merely "has right" to keep it:

"Apple has the right to keep its 30% "

but just "rarely exercises it". How kind of them. The "cannot find example" is particularly hilarious, given recent events.

What where you asking again?

 

[mbeeston]

What where you asking again?

same question, epic isn't.
you proved nothing, apple doesn't do it that way even though epic claimed it.
can and do are 2 different things
and yes, not keeping money that they legally can is "kind" by definition. XD

 

[medi01]

even though epic claimed it.

Oh, please, spare me, 2014:

...but if Apple does issue a refund on your app, they still keep the 30% transaction cost, so that is something that you should be aware of. ...

Everything Developers Need To Know About App Store Transaction Costs

How developers can figure out their transaction costs for Google Play and iTunes.

sensortower.com

That shit is in T&C.

But let's stick with some dudes on some forum, who know that "normally" it's not the case, shall we.

Of all Stockholm syndromes, Filthy Apple one is the most hilarious.

People also put too much weight onto "is not a monopoly".

in 2009 Amazon had almost 90% of the ebook market. You could say that is a monopoly. But it was not illegal - they didn't become a monopoly with illegal actions, nor did they misuse their dominant position later on. But Apple (of course), with almost NO market share in ebooks, arranged a price-fixing scheme with publishers who collectively held 48% of the book market. No monopolies there. Nevertheless, Apple and the publishers were found guilty of anti-trust actions and were fined and prohibited from carrying on their scheme.

 

[mbeeston]

Oh, please, spare me, 2014:

...but if Apple does issue a refund on your app, they still keep the 30% transaction cost, so that is something that you should be aware of. ...

Everything Developers Need To Know About App Store Transaction Costs

How developers can figure out their transaction costs for Google Play and iTunes.

sensortower.com

That shit is in T&C.

But let's stick with some dudes on some forum, who know that "normally" it's not the case, shall we.

Of all Stockholm syndromes, Filthy Apple one is the most hilarious.

so you want me to take a validity a blog post over a forum and a tweet from a developer? you're funny.
also you argued they wouldn't refund the 30% cut/transaction fee, and yet that seems to be exactly what do even when they don't have too.

i don't own any apple products at all man, so i don't know what " Stockholm syndrome" you're talking about

 

[medi01]

so you want me to take a validity a blog post over a forum

Even your "forum" claims keeping 30% is in T&C. So perhaps start with a source that contradicts that?

I've forgotten which defense is used for justifying frucking over developers who use Epic's Unreal Engine, which is also banned for no obvious reason, besides "but our God called Apple got angry".

 

[mbeeston]

Even your "forum" claims keeping 30% is in T&C. So perhaps start with a source that contradicts that?

I've forgotten which defense is used for justifying frucking over developers who use Epic's Unreal Engine, which is also banned for no obvious reason, besides "but our God called Apple got angry".

again, i don't own and apple product, i just have a problem with others distorting things have because they hate a company.

i'm fairly sure that ANY store even brick and mortar stores have someone similar in their rules that they never use either, epic most likely does aswell.

what i don't get is why you keep bitching at apple for NOT keeping money. i think you're the one that been conditioned to hate, and i'm done with you.

 

[medi01]

distorting things

Citation needed.

fairly sure that ANY store

Ok, you are totally not defending Apple, but let's make up some shit to defend it, in a totally non-biased way, shall we?
Google refunds it fully as mentioned in the link on this very page.
Steam refunds it fully.
Hold on, pretty much all stores do.

It's payment systems (many, not all) they don't, but they don't charge even remotely close to 30% either.



So why were little guys who developed software using Epic's Unreal Engine f*cked over by Apple again?

 

[demian_vi]

Yeah except the other person said Android & if you're familiar with the two Android ≠ Google play services, besides the poster was wrong on two counts including Xiaomi as you know already has full access to the suite of Google spyware services.

We agree there, I was just adding to your reply mentioning Google services, since Android is actually open source and anyone can use it

Never heard of HarmonyOS ? And the problem is not Android but the Play Store access.

And even if Xiaomi is not yet kicked out, it may happen.

No it wont happen, stop bullshitting. huawei's ban was based on the fact they build so much network equipment, xiaomi doesnt and even huaweis ban will be revoked next year when trump goes back to the apprentice

In other news Apple charges Amazon just 15% and also let's streamers bypass their payment ststem, breaking their own T&Cs and basically lying when they say they treat all develooers equally

Publishers Ask Apple For The Same 15% App Store Deal That Amazon Has

Digital Content Next, which represents publishers like The New York Times, Wall Street Journal, the Washington Post, and Bloomberg, has asked Apple to give it the same 15% revenue share deal that it gives to Amazon.

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