NVIDIA Responds to Criticism Surrounding the RTX 3080 Launch

[N3M3515]

Do tell.

Well, i was talking about the flagship price normaly being $500, but now it is $1500 (3090), But i see your point in it being a "TITAN CLASS" (moniker created to charge infinite money for meh increase).

Going back a few years a found out sort of a trend, every time nvidia thought there was no competition, they rised the price from $500 to more less $650 - $750:
Examples: 8800 GTX, 8800 ultra, GTX 280, GTX 780. The other gpus were all $500 (GTX 480, GTX 580, GTX 680). Something else i saw, was that nvidia found out that they could put a Ti next to their latest gpu and charge $250 more for it (GTX 780ti, GTX 980ti, 1080ti, etc). So the vanilla x80 isn't the flagship anymore (well for nvidia it is so they can charge 250+ for the ti and it would be the ENTHUSIAST LEVEL GPU lol)

Also the x60 gpu (which had been always a $199 - $220 and now $350) was always 50% more less performance of the flagship, and also you could always buy current gen x60 and it would be on par or slightly better perf than previous gen flagship. Until well......nvidia and amd decided not, so present day the only way to have previous gen flagship performance is to shell out $500(sound familiar?) for the x70 and more often than not, the x70 is always a bit slower than previous gen flagship (yes, the Ti, or is it "TITAN CLASS" also?)

And who can forget about "founders edition" idiot tax...

But hey, inflation, no competition, supply and demand, right? (unless nvidia and amd could artificially reduce stock so they can jack up the prices)
I guess gpus have become too mainstream? just like cellphones that keep going up and up to the price stratosphere. That's off topic, sorry.

 

[EarthDog]

Well, i was talking about the flagship price normaly being $500, but now it is $1500 (3090), But i see your point in it being a "TITAN CLASS" (moniker created to charge infinite money for meh increase).

Going back a few years a found out sort of a trend, every time nvidia thought there was no competition, they rised the price from $500 to more less $650 - $750:
Examples: 8800 GTX, 8800 ultra, GTX 280, GTX 780. The other gpus were all $500 (GTX 480, GTX 580, GTX 680). Something else i saw, was that nvidia found out that they could put a Ti next to their latest gpu and charge $250 more for it (GTX 780ti, GTX 980ti, 1080ti, etc). So the vanilla x80 isn't the flagship anymore (well for nvidia it is so they can charge 250+ for the ti and it would be the ENTHUSIAST LEVEL GPU lol)

Also the x60 gpu (which had been always a $199 - $220 and now $350) was always 50% more less performance of the flagship, and also you could always buy current gen x60 and it would be on par or slightly better perf than previous gen flagship. Until well......nvidia and amd decided not, so present day the only way to have previous gen flagship performance is to shell out $500(sound familiar?) for the x70 and more often than not, the x70 is always a bit slower than previous gen flagship (yes, the Ti, or is it "TITAN CLASS" also?)

And who can forget about "founders edition" idiot tax...

But hey, inflation, no competition, supply and demand, right? (unless nvidia and amd could artificially reduce stock so they can jack up the prices)
I guess gpus have become too mainstream? just like cellphones that keep going up and up to the price stratosphere. That's off topic, sorry.

2006...
8800GTX = $600.
8800GTX Ultra = $830

2008...
GTX 280 = $649

2010...
GTX 480 = $500
GTX 580 = $500

2012...
GTX 680 = $500

2013...
GTX 780 = $650.
GTX 780 Ti = $700
Titan = $1000

2015...
GTX 980Ti = $649

2017...
GTX 1080Ti = $649

2018...
RTX 2080 Ti = $999

2020...
RTX 3080 = $800
RTX 3090/Titan replacement = $1500

RE: FE tax.... you do realize they are not reference cards, right? They are better hardware wise and the cooler worked a lot better then the noisy blowers.

So, yeah... 14 years ago, we had an $800+ flagship...That went down a decade ago to $500 (competition, among other things, FTW!). For the last 3 generations prior to Turing $650 for the flagship. I'm not sure I care about pricing from a decade ago, honestly.

I digress as well...just wanted to clarify some information (and I couldn't care less about Ti's or whatever that brings - users who do need to get over it).

 

[N3M3515]

2006...
8800GTX = $600.
8800GTX Ultra = $830

2008...
GTX 280 = $649

2010...
GTX 480 = $500
GTX 580 = $500

2012...
GTX 680 = $500

2013...
GTX 780 = $650.
GTX 780 Ti = $700
Titan = $1000

2015...
GTX 980Ti = $649

2017...
GTX 1080Ti = $649

2018...
RTX 2080 Ti = $999

2020...
RTX 3080 = $800
RTX 3090/Titan replacement = $1500

RE: FE tax.... you do realize they are not reference cards, right? They are better hardware wise and the cooler worked a lot better then the noisy blowers.

So, yeah... 14 years ago, we had an $800+ flagship...That went down a decade ago to $500 (competition, among other things, FTW!). For the last 3 generations prior to Turing $650 for the flagship.

I digress as well...just wanted to clarify some information.

Yeah, agree to disagree, although you just wrote the same thing i did . Any comment on the x60 topic?

 

[Super XP]

2015...
GTX 980Ti = $649 - Fair Enough,
2017...
GTX 1080Ti = $649 - Fair Enough,
2018...
RTX 2080 Ti = $999 - $350 price premium?? LOL, OverPriced!
2020...
RTX 3080 = $800 - WAY OverPriced!
RTX 3090/Titan replacement = $1500 - Ridiculous and for what? 10% performance over the 3080? Which already runs way too hot causing stability issues? No Thanks!

 

[N3M3515]

RTX 2080 Ti = $999 - $350 price premium?? LOL, OverPriced!

$1200!!! UBER priced. But i guess supply and demand!

 

[mlambert890]

That is a silly thing to say you know.
The horse-drawn carriage considering the inflation would cost $100k now since 100 years ago.
The prices for the cards are high. The advancement in the tech is supposedly make it cheaper not more expensive. There is more things to consider and put into the equation than just, price difference and your inflation.

Adjusting for inflation is a silly thing? Regardless of this hardware “debate”, you need to understand that you are profoundly, objectively wrong here. Don’t argue. Take a moment to stop assuming you’re right and do a little reading about economics.

Adjusting for inflation is a *foundational* component of economic theory. It’s *vital* to adjust for inflation in order to properly assess real income, real cost of goods, and as a result spending power over time. The raise you get every year is *pegged against inflation*. The way you know it isn’t enough is because your spending power relative to 5 years ago, adjusting for actual inflation rates, has gone down.

Forget video cards. This is something you need to actually learn for *life in general*

And by the way, adjusted for inflation a premium horse and buggy would cost $25,000 today and the average worker salary at the time would equate to about $9000 a year in today’s dollars. Average salary today is around $25k at the lowest end, and average new car price is $38k. So the relative cost of personal transportation has gone down thanks to the car.

See why adjusting for inflation is important to understand?

 

[Super XP]

Adjusting for inflation is a silly thing? Regardless of this hardware “debate”, you need to understand that you are profoundly, objectively wrong here. Don’t argue. Take a moment to stop assuming you’re right and do a little reading about economics.

Adjusting for inflation is a *foundational* component of economic theory. It’s *vital* to adjust for inflation in order to properly assess real income, real cost of goods, and as a result spending power over time. The raise you get every year is *pegged against inflation*. The way you know it isn’t enough is because your spending power relative to 5 years ago, adjusting for actual inflation rates, has gone down.

Forget video cards. This is something you need to actually learn for *life in general*

And by the way, adjusted for inflation a premium horse and buggy would cost $25,000 today and the average worker salary at the time would equate to about $9000 a year in today’s dollars. Average salary today is around $25k at the lowest end, and average new car price is $38k. So the relative cost of personal transportation has gone down thanks to the car.

See why adjusting for inflation is important to understand?

I agree you have to adjust for inflation or you or your company is left behind.
That said, its alright to adjust for inflation but not on products that are already OverPriced to begin with. In this case Nvidia GPUs, sure many will disagree of course.

 

[EarthDog]

Any comment on the x60 topic?

Honestly.. I don't care.

History is just that. Today is today. I miss 25c stamps and 25c sodas... but, what are you going to do?

Bitching and whining on forums just gets old.

 

[Tomorrow]

Yeah, agree to disagree, although you just wrote the same thing i did . Any comment on the x60 topic?

No he did not. He just proved your assertion wrong. Prices have gone up and down. Current prices and not some new high like you claim.

2015...
GTX 980Ti = $649 - Fair Enough,
2017...
GTX 1080Ti = $649 - Fair Enough,
2018...
RTX 2080 Ti = $999 - $350 price premium?? LOL, OverPriced!
2020...
RTX 3080 = $800 - WAY OverPriced!
RTX 3090/Titan replacement = $1500 - Ridiculous and for what? 10% performance over the 3080? Which already runs way too hot causing stability issues? No Thanks!

Why are you comparing 980Ti and 1080Ti prices with 3080's inflated demand enduced price right now? 3080's MSRP is $699. How is that way overpriced for a card 50-70% faster than 1080Ti?
Also you say $1500 is ridiculous and neglect to mention than Titan RTX that preceded it was $2500. And what stability issues does 3090 cause? So far i've seen problems with 3080.

 

[Dimi]

I paid $499 for my Ati Radeon 9800 Pro in 2003.

According to an inflation calculator, that would be the equivalent of $704, 89 today.

A Voodoo2 12mb was $299 if i remember correctly. I paid $199 for the 8mb model.

People just like to complain about everything these days.

 

[N3M3515]

Honestly.. I don't care.

History is just that. Today is today. I miss 25c stamps and 25c sodas... but, what are you going to do?

Bitching and whining on forums just gets old.

Well, everyone is entitled to their opinion right?, you see one way, i see another.

 

[ratirt]

Adjusting for inflation is a silly thing? Regardless of this hardware “debate”, you need to understand that you are profoundly, objectively wrong here. Don’t argue. Take a moment to stop assuming you’re right and do a little reading about economics.

Adjusting for inflation is a *foundational* component of economic theory. It’s *vital* to adjust for inflation in order to properly assess real income, real cost of goods, and as a result spending power over time. The raise you get every year is *pegged against inflation*. The way you know it isn’t enough is because your spending power relative to 5 years ago, adjusting for actual inflation rates, has gone down.

Forget video cards. This is something you need to actually learn for *life in general*

And by the way, adjusted for inflation a premium horse and buggy would cost $25,000 today and the average worker salary at the time would equate to about $9000 a year in today’s dollars. Average salary today is around $25k at the lowest end, and average new car price is $38k. So the relative cost of personal transportation has gone down thanks to the car.

See why adjusting for inflation is important to understand?

Listen, if you would like to talk economics then be my guest. Throwing random words like inflation and adjusting price is not correct. Inflation rate in USA for instance starting from 2017 till 2020 was 1.7% average. This is nothing and there are more important things to consider so please don't put inflation to justify somebody else's wrong doings. Well, business is business. You adjust for inflation only when the inflation is growing or is being excessively high. In USA the inflation from 2017 2.14% dropped to 0.62% in 2020. The fact of the matter is, you don't adjust products price considering any inflation numbers from over a decade ago like your silly example of 8800 Ultra that would cost $1k now for example. Maybe in poorly developed countries that would be correct cause their inflation is sky-rocking.
So no. I still disagree with you because you say one thing and then go with another.

 

[Prima.Vera]

It's October 1st tomorrow:
Waiting on nGreedia to confirm this wasn't a paper lunch only:

 

[ratirt]

It's October 1st tomorrow:
Waiting on nGreedia to confirm this wasn't a paper lunch only:

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I think it kinda has been a paper launch.
In Norway you can order now but you will need to wait up to two months for the delivery or till January 2021. Of course that's a prediction and I've seen these dates moving further.
Maybe in a different country it looks better.

 

[Super XP]

No he did not. He just proved your assertion wrong. Prices have gone up and down. Current prices and not some new high like you claim.


Why are you comparing 980Ti and 1080Ti prices with 3080's inflated demand enduced price right now? 3080's MSRP is $699. How is that way overpriced for a card 50-70% faster than 1080Ti?
Also you say $1500 is ridiculous and neglect to mention than Titan RTX that preceded it was $2500. And what stability issues does 3090 cause? So far i've seen problems with 3080.

I was replying back to someone else's comment. But it doesn't matter really, because Comparing the 980Ti to the 1080Ti to the 2080Ti and so on is how you compare if they are fairly priced or not. So you think the 2080Ti premium of over $350 was a fair deal? Absolutely Not.
The Titan RTX was an overpriced waste of money.

And to respond about the 50-70% faster than 1080Ti, that is totally irrelevant. You are comparing 2 different generational cards.

 

[Tomorrow]

I was replying back to someone else's comment. But it doesn't matter really, because Comparing the 980Ti to the 1080Ti to the 2080Ti and so on is how you compare if they are fairly priced or not. So you think the 2080Ti premium of over $350 was a fair deal? Absolutely Not.
The Titan RTX was an overpriced waste of money.

And to respond about the 50-70% faster than 1080Ti, that is totally irrelevant. You are comparing 2 different generational cards.

Did you notice that if did not mention 2080Ti once?
That's because it was an anomaly. Bad price, bad card. I think it's also irrelevant card right now. And since there is no Ti yet the only valid comparsuion is 3080 right now.
The top of the line card - no matter if it's called Titan or not has never been a good value. Im amazed how people still have not learned that and complain about it's price. $1500 is too much? Great - get the 3080 for half of that and it's only 10-15% slower.

And the performance does matter. 70% faster ~3,5 years later for the same MSRP is pretty good imho. Again i don't count Turing in this comparison because that was all around bad value.

 

[Super XP]

Did you notice that if did not mention 2080Ti once?
That's because it was an anomaly. Bad price, bad card. I think it's also irrelevant card right now. And since there is no Ti yet the only valid comparsuion is 3080 right now.
The top of the line card - no matter if it's called Titan or not has never been a good value. Im amazed how people still have not learned that and complain about it's price. $1500 is too much? Great - get the 3080 for half of that and it's only 10-15% slower.

And the performance does matter. 70% faster ~3,5 years later for the same MSRP is pretty good imho. Again i don't count Turing in this comparison because that was all around bad value.

I'm well aware how this industry works thank you.
And yes the Turding lineup was a total ripoff line as claimed by actual Nvidia Fanboys. Anyhow doesn't matter what price premium Nvidia decides. The Titan is overpriced and for what? A measly 10% performance over the 3080? That already has many reports of crashing. No PC Gaming GPU should cost that much. And pricing these gaming GPUs at an unessesry price premium where one don't deserve, ends up setting up future OverPricing.
AMD aren't little Angels by any stretch, but this time around I hope they Don't mindlessly overpriced there GPUs either. As competition should automatically regulate fair pricing access the board.

 

[Prima.Vera]

Seriously, is it yet any place that we can buy the RTX 3080 at "normal" prices?? Everywhere is still sold out....When will this s#it stop??

 

[EarthDog]

perché gli americani vogliono il mondo a loro immagine e somiglianza?
Visto che il loro modo di vivere è criticato ed è poco costruttivo...boh!!!

English speaking forum...

 

[techguymaxc]

perché gli americani vogliono il mondo a loro immagine e somiglianza?
Visto che il loro modo di vivere è criticato ed è poco costruttivo...boh!!!

Please tell us more about your inferiority complex.

 

[EarthDog]

RTX 3080

FurMark Scores

FurMark benchmark scores database - OpenGL / Vulkan

gpuscore.top

RTX 2080 Super Nlink

FurMark Scores

FurMark benchmark scores database - OpenGL / Vulkan

gpuscore.top

Glad i didn't buy one and stayed with nlink

FUrmark, lol.

That said, I have no idea the point you are trying to make in reference to this thread/who you're talking to.

 

[Super XP]

Seriously, is it yet any place that we can buy the RTX 3080 at "normal" prices?? Everywhere is still sold out....When will this s#it stop??

Have patients, WAIT for RDAN2 GPUs to come out, then decide. And by then the RTX 3080 should be closer to its MSRP.