NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Launch Postponed to October 29th

[EarthDog]

I wonder if, rather than it being stock or fears of RDNA2, it's because Nvidia is rethinking their software given the stability problems of the 3080 and 3090 at ~2GHz?

Don't forget, the 3070 will be a cheaper card with cheaper VRMs and lower capacitor counts to save costs. If the extremely complex and expensive voltage regulation of the 3080 and 3090 weren't stable, how do you think the cheapo cut-down variants are going to fare without some serious driver work? It's too late to change the board design at this point, likely thousands of cards have already been manufactured with inadequate bypass capacitors on Nvidia's rushed and inadequately-tested reference design.

Delay two weeks... for (what appears to be) a driver tweak........on a card that is still two weeks away? Can't say I buy that. They have time to do so.

 

[londiste]

8704/5888 = 1.47. The 3080 has 47% more shaders, I rounded it up to 50%. Maybe I worded it wrong.

3080 has 47% more shaders compared to 3070.
3070 has 33% less shaders compared to 3080.

3080 costs 40% more than 3070.
3070 costs 29% less than 3080.

 

[Vya Domus]

3080 has 47% more shareds compared to 3070.
3070 has 33% less shaders compared to 3080.

Like I said, I worded it wrong.

 

[Fourstaff]

They may have a good reason to delay RTX 3070, or they may not. Either way, I think its good time to get RTX 2070 or 2080s right now for people with resolutions 1440 and below. 4k people might as well get RTX 3080.

 

[M2B]

Of course it matters, shaders and bandwidth generate the performance.

I know, but having 70% more bandwidth doesn't translate into 70% more gaming performance.
If the 3070 has similar performance to the 2080Ti, the 3080 will end up being 25-35 faster than the 3070 depending on the resolution while being 40% more expensive; so the 3070 will have better perf/dollar at the end of the day.

 

[ratirt]

They may have a good reason to delay RTX 3070, or they may not. Either way, I think its good time to get RTX 2070 or 2080s right now for people with resolutions 1440 and below. 4k people might as well get RTX 3080.

True that. I've been thinking of getting that 3080. Just want to wait for AMD and then the decisions will be made

Of course it matters, shaders and bandwidth generate the performance.

Yes but only if balanced right. One can't make up for the other.

 

[Vya Domus]

I know, but having 70% more bandwidth doesn't translote into 70% more gaming performance.

GPUs scale pretty well, the point is this has been the biggest gap yet.

 

[renz496]

My guess - strategic move to avoid getting jebaited, or at least have better options if that happens.

even so will AMD fight with price? even with turing vs RDNA cost is not in AMD's favor.

 

[Deleted member 185088]

They should start by revising they prices, just checked it's listed to for about 800$ on nVidia's website.
I really they'll lose badly to AMD's RDNA2, their prices are just ridiculous, since Turing nothing changed.

 

[EarthDog]

They should start by revising they prices, just checked it's listed to for about 800$ on nVidia's website.
I really they'll lose badly to AMD's RDNA2, their prices are just ridiculous, since Turing nothing changed.

3070 is a $500 card bud...what is listed at $800 on the NV website?

 

[P4-630]

just checked it's listed to for about 800$ on nVidia's website.

Just checked here, 519 EUROS...
What country you from, doesn't seem to be USD.

 

[Bubster]

It's already a disappointing launch across the board...

 

[Deleted member 185088]

3070 is a $500 card bud...what is listed at $800 on the NV website?

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That's the price in the US, nvidia prices their cards higher elsewhere, sometimes stupidly so like this:

Edit: it's about 760$. Stupidly you can get from the US taxed and deliveried for less, so it's nVidia's fault, plus AMD/Microsoft /Sony doesn't do that you can get their cards for similar prices.

 

[ZoneDymo]

"as they are now available for purchase"

Wait they are?

Unrelated, imagine having bought RTX2000 for ray tracing lol

 

[EarthDog]

That's the price in the US, nvidia prices their cards higher elsewhere, sometimes stupidly so like this:

Edit: it's about 760$. Stupidly you can get from the US taxed and deliveried for less, so it's nVidia's fault, plus AMD/Microsoft /Sony doesn't do that you can get their cards for similar prices.

Looks like in your neck of the woods only so far. That sucks.

 

[R0H1T]

even with turing vs RDNA cost is not in AMD's favor.

Well we don't know that, only AMD & Nvidia do. AMD could've had better margins with some Navi parts, though overall Turing margins were mostly insane.

 

[neatfeatguy]

A few things could be happening here:
1) Nvidia is telling the truth - they want to increase inventory across the board before launching in hopes to not be caught with their pants down again.
2) Nvidia is waiting to see what AMD has to offer (but I'm pretty sure they already know)...they only thing that might be iffy is what price point AMD is going to be offering things.
3) Nvidia doesn't have anything in the same price/performance category as what AMD is going to be releasing and they need time to adjust the 3070's drivers/performance and spin some PR magic make them "desirable".
4) Nvidia actually forgot to manufacture the 3070 and they're scrambling to get some ready.

 

[ratirt]

A few things could be happening here:
1) Nvidia is telling the truth - they want to increase inventory across the board before launching in hopes to not be caught with their pants down again.
2) Nvidia is waiting to see what AMD has to offer (but I'm pretty sure they already know)...they only thing that might be iffy is what price point AMD is going to be offering things.
3) Nvidia doesn't have anything in the same price/performance category as what AMD is going to be releasing and they need time to adjust the 3070's drivers/performance and spin some PR magic make them "desirable".
4) Nvidia actually forgot to manufacture the 3070 and they're scrambling to get some ready.

Or NV postponed this card for later since this is the only card they have meaningful quantities at stock so (in Norway 3080 and 3090 are scheduled for January) they will actually release something that customers can buy and narrow the gap between higher tier products show up in a reasonable quantities.

 

[Amite]

Yeah it's got nothing to do with AMD announcing their cards around the same time.
Jensen wants to beat their pricing. Simple as that.

Bingo -

 

[dayne878]

With all the supply issues of the 3080, coupled with the delays of the 3070, I'm slowly losing any hope of getting a 3080. A 3070 does me no good, as I have a 2080ti already, so I need/want the 3080. But if the supply issues don't improve soon I will lose interest and just wait for a ti refresh or something that I can actually get my hands on.

 

[F-man4]

Good news for scalpers.

 

[BoboOOZ]

even so will AMD fight with price? even with turing vs RDNA cost is not in AMD's favor.

The situation is very different now. Ampere has very high power draws which require expensive power delivery and cooling solutions (not to mention GDDE6X doesn't seem cheap). AMD, on the other side, if efficiency gas gone up the way leaks are suggesting, may be able to pull out similar performance with cheaper components (VRM, cooling and memory).

 

[Vario]

Crazy how a "midrange" videocard is $500 now.

 

[Valantar]

One has to wonder what the wafer throughput of Samsung's 8nm fab(s?) is like. Given that that node isn't used for much else (even the Exynos 990 is 7LPP) Nvidia should have plenty of wafers to go around unless the volume is really low. Of course the time from a wafer is done to the chips are mounted on retail PCBs is at least a couple of months, but mass production should really have been running for long enough for that to not be an issue. Of course those 628mm² GA102 dice aren't exactly making it easy, fitting just 256 dice per 300mm wafer. But it still shouldn't be that difficult to keep production up.

Crazy how a "midrange" videocard is $500 now.

Indeed. Remember when the flagship GTX 980 launched at the same price? I get that we have a wider performance span now than previously, but this is getting silly. Even with a wide midrange that can be split into lower, mid and upper, that should be ~$200-400 at the most. Calling $500 midrange is crazy. That's a high end price.

 

[chief-gunney]

It appears that AMD have got Nvidia covered this generation. They are not impressed by the 3090. Nvidia cannot beat AMD in a price war as they operate with a higher margin. I feel that 'big navi' will beat the 3080 and therefore can beat any 3070 and can do it at a lower selling price. They will take some market share from Nvidia this time around.