ThrottleStop Setting

[budgetgaming]

Hai I have HP Omen Laptop 2019 version which has i7 9750H CPU, RTX 2060 GPU, Now normaly when in balance mode in command center the temperature are hitting 86 - 92 degree above while playing COD MV and performance mode is always above 97 degree.

I decided to use throttlestop but i don't know is my setting is good enough or I can fine tune again in maximum. for all senior in this forum hope you could advice on these setting

Screenshot as follows:



I have attached the log file.

 

[unclewebb]

You do not have to set the core and cache undervolt to the same values. Usually the core can be set significantly higher than the cache. You have your cache set to almost -150 mV. What sort of stability testing have you done? Most 9750H CPUs are not 100% stable with the cache set this high. Make sure you can complete some 1 and 2 Thread TS Bench tests and a full load test without seeing any errors. If you see some errors, you might have to reduce the cache to -140 mV or -130 mV.

Try testing with Cinebench R20. If your CPU is stable with the cache at -149 mV, try setting the core to -175 mV and then to -200 mV. This can help with CPU temperatures. You need to do a variety of stability tests to make sure your CPU is stable. Some successful Cinebench and TS Bench tests with zero errors are the bare minimum.

At the moment your screenshot and log file show that the CPU is reaching the thermal throttling temperature. This is not yet a huge problem. If this problem gets worse, you might have to replace the thermal paste to see if you can reduce your CPU temperatures.

Intel gave the 9750H a 45W TDP rating. If a laptop manufacturer designs a heatsink around a 45W CPU and then a customer sets the long term turbo power limit to 80W, the CPU is probably going to start thermal throttling. That is what you are seeing. Your heatsink can only dissipate so much heat before the CPU gets too hot and has to thermal throttle to protect against any damage.

 

[budgetgaming]

Thank you for the reply uncle web, the log file that I have attached is when I am playing games on COD MW, without throttlestop and setting performance in Omen Command center would cause the temperature 97 degree even the multiplier is around 30-35mhz. tehsting with TS bench I found no error but the PL2 ,temp and other does turn red once awhile if that what you mean error in TS bench

Testing cinebench r20 i have attached the log file for review,

 

[unclewebb]

@budgetgaming - The log file shows that within 7 seconds of going to full load, your CPU starts thermal throttling. If you look in the far right column of the log file, it says TEMP over and over again. That is continuous thermal throttling. If this throttling happens when gaming, you might find that your games stutter a little bit.

When you see boxes turn red in Limit Reasons, that is just telling you the reason why your CPU is not running at its full rated speed. These are not errors. The purpose of these lights is just to tell you what is going on with your CPU.

When the TS Bench is running, if it gets a wrong answer when doing a calculation, at the top it will show 29 Errors or however many errors it finds. You definitely do not want to see the word Error appear during this benchmark test. When a CPU is stable there should not be any errors when it does a calculation.

 

[nguyen]

80W PL1 and 90W PL2 is wayyy too high, just reduce to 45W PL1 and 60W PL2
PL1: Turbo Boost Long Power
PL2: Turbo Boost Short Power
Increasing PL1 does not improve your performance when the CPU thermal throttle anyway, and the VRM on the motherboard would just burn up sooner or later.

Other than that your temp during gaming looks normal, as the CPU is only pulling ~35W.

 

[budgetgaming]

Hai Uncle Web this is the last setting I have used
CPU Core 166.0 MV
CPU Cache 137.7 ( I lowered it and much stable in this setting)
Turbo Boost Long PM 60
Turbo Boost Short PM 80
Enable Speed shift when trottlestop start (Checked)
Speed Shift - EPP 125, C1E, Speedstep and BD prochot marked
PKG Power Max on 56watt and Max Power on 67 watt

In limit reason there is no error or box

is stable test in in TS bench few times on size 768 (I have attached the file) but when i test on Cinebench R20, the PL1 and EDP other does turns red and sometimes blink in red. what do you advice to do next.

80W PL1 and 90W PL2 is wayyy too high, just reduce to 45W PL1 and 60W PL2
PL1: Turbo Boost Long Power
PL2: Turbo Boost Short Power
Increasing PL1 does not improve your performance when the CPU thermal throttle anyway, and the VRM on the motherboard would just burn up sooner or later.

Other than that your temp during gaming looks normal, as the CPU is only pulling ~35W.

Tried you setting changing your PL! and PL2 , the limit reason box shows PL1, PL2 and EDP other do shows and blink in red.

one more thing i forgot to tell you, if you set your performance mode in Omen comand center, The default PL1 & PL2 in throttlestop is PL1 80 and PL2 is 90, My laptop is Omen DH0105tx, by switching to performance mode, the Power is realese much bigger then balance mode. which is why the thermal performance are much higher....

 

[nguyen]

Well here is my Throttlestop settings

Here is how to extract the highest undervolt out of your CPU
1. Set Speed Shift to 0, PL1 PL2 to 45W
2. First find a common offset voltage for both Core and Cache, test them with TSbench and CinebenchR20
3. Increase the offset voltage only on the Core, note down CinebenchR20 score for every increases, once the score stop improving then you have found the highest undervolt, usually they are 2:1 to the Cache offset. Example I have -85mV on Cache and -170mV on Core.

Note that this undervolt might crash if you put EPP to 128, which would lower clocks. Setting EPP to 0 keeps CPU clocks high at all times, which is better anyways.
#2 increasing PL1 PL2 is futile, I do 2 cinebenchR20 run with 45W and 70W, with 45W PL1 I get 3386 and with 70W I get 3661, which is only 8% increase in score, for 55% more power (and 14C hotter)
#3 You have to use less agressive undervolt for your Battery profile, the undervolt above will not work if clocks are low.

 

[budgetgaming]

Well here is my Throttlestop settings

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Here is how to extract the highest undervolt out of your CPU
1. Set Speed Shift to 0, PL1 PL2 to 45W
2. First find a common offset voltage for both Core and Cache, test them with TSbench and CinebenchR20
3. Increase the offset voltage only on the Core, note down CinebenchR20 score for every increases, once the score stop improving then you have found the highest undervolt, usually they are 2:1 to the Cache offset. Example I have -85mV on Cache and -170mV on Core.

Note that this undervolt might crash if you put EPP to 128, which would lower clocks. Setting EPP to 0 keeps CPU clocks high at all times, which is better anyways.
#2 increasing PL1 PL2 is futile, I do 2 cinebenchR20 run with 45W and 70W, with 45W PL1 I get 3386 and with 70W I get 3661, which is only 8% increase in score, for 55% more power (and 14C hotter)
#3 You have to use less agressive undervolt for your Battery profile, the undervolt above will not work if clocks are low.

i will try your setting, but your is I7 gen 10 will it work?

Cpu Core 169.9
Cpu Cache 85
Epp 0
PL1 = 45w
PL2 = 45w

R20 Bench score only 1980
Cpu speed maximum 3.1ghz all core.

No termal but very low score...how to increase it? I have attached the Log file for you to see

 

[nguyen]

i will try your setting, but your is I7 gen 10 will it work?
Cpu Core 169.9
Cpu Cache 85
Epp 0
PL1 = 45w
PL2 = 45w
R20 Bench score only 1980
Cpu speed maximum 3.1ghz all core.
No termal but very low score...how to increase it? I have attached the Log file for you to see

Well my CPU has 8 cores so higher score is a given. Each CPU has different undervolting capability so you have to test your own. Try -200mV on core and -100mV on Cache to see if your CinebenchR20 score increase, if it is stable then try increasing by 10mV each time.

After you find the highest undervolt, try playing some game. From your initial log I found your CPU was running at only ~3Ghz in MW (due to EPP at 115). After setting EPP to 0 you will find your CPU runing ~4.0 Ghz most of the time, and temperature will increase too. I think 45W PL1 PL2 is already the highest you can go without thermal throttling.

You can also try repasting your CPU for better thermal, for me I use Thermalright TF-X which is easily lower temp by 10C.

 

[budgetgaming]

Well my CPU has 8 cores so higher score is a given. Each CPU has different undervolting capability so you have to test your own. Try -200mV on core and -100mV on Cache to see if your CinebenchR20 score increase, if it is stable then try increasing by 10mV each time.

After you find the highest undervolt, try playing some game. From your initial log I found your CPU was running at only ~3Ghz in MW (due to EPP at 115). After setting EPP to 0 you will find your CPU runing ~4.0 Ghz most of the time, and temperature will increase too. I think 45W PL1 PL2 is already the highest you can go without thermal throttling.

You can also try repasting your CPU for better thermal, for me I use Thermalright TF-X which is easily lower temp by 10C.

My COD MW is currently Re instaling due to error when i start, now is a whoping 220gb for the game...once done downloading, I will update the process, I am curently using Grizzly Kryonaut, I repaste it because i cannot stand the temperature while playing game before using Throttle stop.

I hope i can put the liquid metal on this laptop but i am to afraid to try it out.

Question Does the PL1 and PL2 does limit the core to go full load on 4ghz while under full load? and in limit reason PL1 and PL2 keeps blingking is it normal? and what is EDP other?

 

[nguyen]

My COD MW is currently Re instaling due to error when i start, now is a whoping 220gb for the game...once done downloading, I will update the process, I am curently using Grizzly Kryonaut, I repaste it because i cannot stand the temperature while playing game before using Throttle stop.
I hope i can put the liquid metal on this laptop but i am to afraid to try it out.
Question Does the PL1 and PL2 does limit the core to go full load on 4ghz while under full load? and in limit reason PL1 and PL2 keeps blingking is it normal? and what is EDP other?

Yeah so there is another of your problem, Kryonaut is not meant for Laptop at all, Kryonaut is too thin (watery) to use on laptop. The reason is the heatsink on laptop has low mounting pressure, create a bigger gap between the CPU and the heatsink compare to Desktop CPU heatsink. Kryonaut could just drip straight out from the CPU when you store your laptop vertically.

From your TS screenshot the delta temperature between cores on your CPU is 25C, which suggests that the thermal paste application is not good. Either repaste your laptop again or buy another TIM, I use Thermalright TF-X which is perfect for Laptop (very thick paste), normally delta temp between core is 12C or less.

Also do not use Liquid Metal on Laptop, LM react with bare copper so after a while your CPU would just overheat again.

From your log it seems your CPU can almost reach 4Ghz in game with 45W PL, provided it does not thermal throttle first. If after you repaste and the temperature improve you can always change PL1 PL2 to higher number.

Yeah the PL1 PL2 limit blinking is normal, the CPU is adjusting it's clocks trying to maintain the 45W power limit.
EDP Other you can try increase IccMax slider to max (under the CPU Core Voltage in FIVR window)

 

[budgetgaming]

Test It gaming this morning

CPU Core at 220.7
CPU Cache at 100.6
PL1 45watt
PL2 45 Watt
EEP 0

Playing game COD MW is stable no crash, I would try to do stable test with R20 again to push the CPU Core futher. Last R20score with these setting is 2025.

about the Thermalright TF-X, I only found 1 online shop selling the paste, is quite expensive but if it's good then I will give it a go. The thermal Paste of that brand is quite rare in Jakarta here.

I have attached file for you to advice

 

[nguyen]

Seems like HP software is locking PL1 to 30W, I guess you are using Balanced Mode ? You can set to Performance Mode then manually set 45W in ThrottleStop.

If you can find Kingpin KPx TIM then it should be good too, or Gelid GC-Extreme
Refer to this table for high viscosity TIM
Yeah don't believe when they say lower viscosity is better, at least on Laptop.

 

[AOne]

I can't seen here Noctua HT-H2. This paste has a max working temp of 200C unlike most in the table which are up to 100-110, and degrade within weeks with our high temp ovens. So, maybe this chart is old.

 

[nguyen]

yeah it's from 2017 after all.

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[AOne]

Old generation pastes tend to degrade in working temps above 85 C. That's why they're not appropriate for 8th to 10th gen CPUs. I had to go through 3 different praised pastes until figuring this out.

 

[nguyen]

Old generation pastes tend to degrade in working temps above 85 C. That's why they're not appropriate for 8th to 10th gen CPUs. I had to go through 3 different praised pastes until figuring this out.

Jup, me too, I knew about Kryonaut degrading above 80C before, so I bought some Thermalright TF-X recently and it turned out to be perfect for laptop (high conductivity, high viscosity, high endurance).
This paste is so freaking hard to spread that I just put a long blob of it on the CPU, 5 blobs on the GPU, heat them up with the hair dryer then assemble the heatsink. Thermal is amazing afterward.

 

[budgetgaming]

Seems like HP software is locking PL1 to 30W, I guess you are using Balanced Mode ? You can set to Performance Mode then manually set 45W in ThrottleStop.

If you can find Kingpin KPx TIM then it should be good too, or Gelid GC-Extreme
Refer to this table for high viscosity TIM
Yeah don't believe when they say lower viscosity is better, at least on Laptop.
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It is on the performance mode, should i reset the throttle stop and put the omen comand center in performance mode then open throtte stop,

Sorry I get it, In omen command center I have to choose and set manualy on default profile each game, thats why when in playing certain game it goes back to default, let me try to set it and get back to you

I dont get it, The Temp are higher when i change the mode to Performance

CPU core at -220.7
Cpu Cache at -100
PL1 45watt
PL2 45 watt

The Log file shows temperature warning

This is making me crazy

 

[nguyen]

it's simple, the core clocks are higher than before, around 3.6-3.7Ghz and you get thermal throttling. To get past this you have to change thermal paste, both on CPU and GPU (they both are thermal throttling).
It's time to replace your Kryonaut TIM i guess.

PS: changing to the Performance profile also increase the power limit on the GPU, thus generating more heat.

 

[budgetgaming]

you are right, since i just order the thermalpaste, I use the one that got in my hand, still using the Thermal grizzly krynaut, replace it.

CPU Core 240.2
CPU Cache 1006
PL1 PL2 = 45watt
Speedshift 0

I have attached log file for you to advice, what do you think, you are right about the thermal paste, Can't wait to get the thermalright, Also the thermalpad I consider to replace it, which brand do you think it's good for gaming laptop?

 

[nguyen]

wow that is a remarkable difference after the repaste there. Since you have a little thermal headroom now, you can play around with PL1 PL2 a bit more, increase PL1 PL2 to 50W to get some more performance out of your CPU.

Thermal pads you can choose any brand that is 5W/mK or better, they don't make much difference.

Undervolting you can try increasing the Cache too, so 120mV Cache 240mV Core, if unstable reduce to 110mV cache 220mV Core.

 

[AOne]

Perfect. The temp graph looks just like my 9750H. Just as Nguyen said - try increasing the PL limits. Mine are set way higher - 90/70. By the way, my Asus is not using thermal pads but paste an all other component. I use some cheaper paste for these places, like MX4.

 

[budgetgaming]

wow that is a remarkable difference after the repaste there. Since you have a little thermal headroom now, you can play around with PL1 PL2 a bit more, increase PL1 PL2 to 50W to get some more performance out of your CPU.

Thermal pads you can choose any brand that is 5W/mK or better, they don't make much difference.

Undervolting you can try increasing the Cache too, so 120mV Cache 240mV Core, if unstable reduce to 110mV cache 220mV Core.

core 240 and cache 120 already tested and play with COD, is stable and tested is ts bench 3 stage and also 5x loops on R20 with no error.....can i push it more to 250v/125v ? its getting interesting here

Perfect. The temp graph looks just like my 9750H. Just as Nguyen said - try increasing the PL limits. Mine are set way higher - 90/70. By the way, my Asus is not using thermal pads but paste an all other component. I use some cheaper paste for these places, like MX4.

does it works well, I have been thinking about it too but won't it be troublesome if you have to repaste every thing when its time to change the thermalpaste?

90 for short turbo? how is the temperaure?

 

[AOne]

As I said, my temps are just like the one from your post. 90-91 is a peak value if it's hotter at home (above 28-30 C). Usually never exceed 87-88. But under 95 C is pretty much good enough. It means the CPU is not thermal throttling, which is an achieved goal. It's a little bit of mess when going for repasting, but lets hope it happens less than once in two years. I had to repaste 4 times in a row until finding the right paste, but changed the paste on the VRam only the first time. Afterwards only sorted it together for making a proper contact.

 

[nguyen]

core 240 and cache 120 already tested and play with COD, is stable and tested is ts bench 3 stage and also 5x loops on R20 with no error.....can i push it more to 250v/125v ? its getting interesting here

Yeah just keep finding your max undervolt, it is fun to optimize your machine.

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