AMD Announces the Radeon RX 6000 Series: Performance that Restores Competitiveness

[WeeRab]

If AMD can supply enough inventory, they will take major market share from Nvidia.
Nvidia's problems are not with 'scalpers' - Their problems go MUCH deeper. i.e. abysmal yields on the Samsung 8nm process.
That is why you cannot actually buy any of these Ampere cards. (Not the average Joe anyway), so AMD have an open field.
Most of the tech press were ecstatic about Ampere - But since AMD have matched, if not surpassed Nvidia this time around...I would expect similar gushing reviews
on the AMD 6xxx series.
I won't hold my breath though....

 

[ratirt]

Hardly surprising people in green reality distortion field missed it.
There are 3 typical reactions:

1) Missed it completely
2) Didn't catch that 6800 is 18% faster than 2080Ti
3) But muh DLSS/muh useles RT checkboxes in a handful of games, but muh CUDA, but muh Drivers

Blindfold bro
If the claims for 6800 will be confirmed with reviews, it will blow the 3070. What I wonder now is, if the 6800 can be modified/updated with the 6800XT bios for additional performance/power delivery just like the 5700 could with 5700XT's BIOS. That would be just perfect and it would give 6800 way more edge. It shouldn't be a problem since they both have 16GB of Vram.

 

[ebivan]

also to you: do you have ANY data about Fortnite average players age ?

I don't know, and I'm quite sure you don't either

Well, here you go:

Fortnite Usage and Revenue Statistics (2020)

Fortnite refers to a videogame series, set in a post-apocalyptic, zombie-infested world. It is produced by Epic Games, and uses the company’s signature Unreal Engine. At present, there are two games that fall under the Fortnite umbrella: a team-based survival shooter called Fortnite: Save the...

www.businessofapps.com

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Newzoo find that 53% of Fortnite players were aged 10-25

Ande also here: (they didnt take unter 18 into account)

70 Fortnite Statistics: 2020/2021 Data & Market Share Analysis | CompareCamp.com

By this time, Fortnite needs no introduction. After its Battle Royale mode launch in late 2017, Fortnite has quickly become a colossal force in the gaming

comparecamp.com

The overwhelming age bracket of Fortnite players happens to be on the 18-24 age range, representing almost 2/3 of players, or 62.7%.

 

[Max(IT)]

It's funny because I played Fortnite for about a year with a friend of mine and his little brothers and their friends who were all 14.

Good for you (I don't like the game), but my question still is: do you have any factual data about players' age ?

 

[Vya Domus]

Good for you (I don't like the game), but my question still is: do you have any factual data about players' age ?

Did you not read my previous comment or the one above or you are just pretending like you didn't ?

 

[Max(IT)]

AMD did show slides comparing 3070 with 6800. The only thing is that AMD used 2080 Ti which is basically same performance. Surprised you have missed it.

No they DIDN'T.
2080 Ti and 3070 ARE NOT the same thing. And in many cases 3070 outperformed 2080Ti, so the "18% figure" is wrong.
Other than that, it is with Smart Access Memory, that requires a Ryzen 5000. Situation for everyone else could be different, so my suggestion is stop cheerleading and wait for actual benchmarks.

Did you not read my previous comment or the one above or you are just pretending like you didn't ?

your comment is about anecdotal evidence at best.

 

[Vya Domus]

your comment is about anecdotal evidence at best.

So you didn't, we're done then.

 

[Max(IT)]

Well, here you go:

Fortnite Usage and Revenue Statistics (2020)

Fortnite refers to a videogame series, set in a post-apocalyptic, zombie-infested world. It is produced by Epic Games, and uses the company’s signature Unreal Engine. At present, there are two games that fall under the Fortnite umbrella: a team-based survival shooter called Fortnite: Save the...

www.businessofapps.com

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Ande also here: (they didnt take unter 18 into account)

70 Fortnite Statistics: 2020/2021 Data & Market Share Analysis | CompareCamp.com

By this time, Fortnite needs no introduction. After its Battle Royale mode launch in late 2017, Fortnite has quickly become a colossal force in the gaming

comparecamp.com

Did you read it?
There are 3 statistics that says different numbers. And "18-25" is quite different from "14 years old" as claimed above.
At 20-25 years old you absolutely know what DLSS is and if it fits your needs or not.

Neither do you, all studies that I found required a minimum age of 18. But you'd have to pretty dense to believe for a second this game isn't played mostly by children given the memes and plethora of complaints from parents and all the media attention. That's enough evidence.

yes I clearly stated above I DON'T KNOW, but I'm not the one making wrong assumptions here. SO the proof is on you.
You said 14 years old and I asked something to backup that claim.

 

[Vya Domus]

Lmao one study said 53% between 10-25 and one that they didn't ask people below the age of 18 and this guy is still at it.

 

[Frick]

At 20-25 years old you absolutely know what DLSS is and if it fits your needs or not.

So there's a linear relationship between knowledge and age?

 

[Max(IT)]

16gb of ram is very attractive and that sends a clear message to nvidia and now nvidia needs to respond with something similar or superior than 16gb of gddr, competition is good for us.

I would have preferred 10 or 12 Gb VRAM for $50 less.
16 GB for the intended target (mostly 1440P) is totally useless.

So there's a linear relationship between knowledge and age?

Actually I don't think so.
In my opinion there are 16 years old guys more competent than people here. I was just arguing about the "Fortnite players are 14 years old so they don't know about DLSS" claimed above.

Lmao one study said 53% between 10-25 and one that they didn't ask people below the age of 18 and this guy is still at it.

yes ONE study, and it didn't show us how many "14 years old players" there were. You don't know if 90% of those players are 24 years old, because the study just put a big class 10-25.
You should learn more about statistics

 

[ratirt]

No they DIDN'T.
2080 Ti and 3070 ARE NOT the same thing. And in many cases 3070 outperformed 2080Ti, so the "18% figure" is wrong.
Other than that, it is with Smart Access Memory, that requires a Ryzen 5000. Situation for everyone else could be different, so my suggestion is stop cheerleading and wait for actual benchmarks.

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Founders Edition Review - Disruptive Price-Performance

NVIDIA's GeForce RTX 3070 is faster than the RTX 2080 Ti, for $500. The new FE cooler is greatly improved, runs very quietly, and even has fan stop. In our RTX 3070 Founders Edition review, we'll also take a look at RTX performance, energy efficiency, frametimes, and overclocking.

www.techpowerup.com

Try this and look what the difference in performance between the 3070 and the 2080 Ti is. AMD didn't use 3070 because they are not available. Anyway, the 2080 Ti is a good card representing the 3070's performance. Even though they are two different cards, the performance in general is the same across the board.

 

[medi01]

Some fun:

 

[Max(IT)]

Hardly surprising people in green reality distortion field missed it.
There are 3 typical reactions:

1) Missed it completely
2) Didn't catch that 6800 is 18% faster than 2080Ti
3) But muh DLSS/muh useles RT checkboxes in a handful of games, but muh CUDA, but muh Drivers

first of all: I'm not an Nvidia supporter.
I own both a 2070 Super and a 5700XT, and I'm still undecided about 3070 or 6800. I will wait for actual review before buy something.

1) Did I miss something AMD DIDN'T show to us ? There is NO 6800 vs 3070 comparison in their slides;
2) there is NO 18% speed difference even with the 2080 Ti, since it is different depending on the game used, and 6800 benchmarks were JUST with Smart Access Memory enabled, a feature that requires a Ryzen 5000. AMD purportedly omitted 6800 plain results, while they did it for 6800XT. This is called marketing;
3) but DLSS/RT are a factor, just like CUDA is for some users. CUDA doesn't matter to me but RT definitely does, and it is very strange AMD didn't show anything about that.

 

[medi01]

first of all

You act as a typical butthurt green boi would. So, shrug.

 

[Max(IT)]

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Founders Edition Review - Disruptive Price-Performance

NVIDIA's GeForce RTX 3070 is faster than the RTX 2080 Ti, for $500. The new FE cooler is greatly improved, runs very quietly, and even has fan stop. In our RTX 3070 Founders Edition review, we'll also take a look at RTX performance, energy efficiency, frametimes, and overclocking.

www.techpowerup.com

Try this and look what the difference in performance between the 3070 and the 2080 Ti is. AMD didn't use 3070 because they are not available. Anyway, the 2080 Ti is a good card representing the 3070's performance. Even though they are two different cards, the performance in general is the same across the board.

I already read that review and any others. I know that 3070 nd 2080Ti are quite similar (depending on the game and resolution).
The point is AMD cherrypicked some benchmarks (that's absolutely normal in a marketing presentation) and you cannot say "it is 18% faster" without a proper review.
Especially because on the 6800, the mainstream card, they tested the card enabling a feature available ONLY to owners of a CPU that doesn't even really exist yet.

 

[ratirt]

first of all: I'm not an Nvidia supporter.
I own both a 2070 Super and a 5700XT, and I'm still undecided about 3070 or 6800. I will wait for actual review before buy something.

1) Did I miss something AMD DIDN'T show to us ? There is NO 6800 vs 3070 comparison in their slides;
2) there is NO 18% speed difference even with the 2080 Ti, since it is different depending on the game used, and 6800 benchmarks were JUST with Smart Access Memory enabled, a feature that requires a Ryzen 5000. AMD purportedly omitted 6800 plain results, while they did it for 6800XT. This is called marketing;
3) but DLSS/RT are a factor, just like CUDA is for some users. CUDA doesn't matter to me but RT definitely does, and it is very strange AMD didn't show anything about that.

You should watch the presentation again because what you are saying is total horeseshit. Not sure if you are deliberately acting like that or you're just an ignorant feeding this thread.

already read that review and any others. I know that 3070 nd 2080Ti are quite similar (depending on the game and resolution).
The point is AMD cherrypicked some benchmarks (that's absolutely normal in a marketing presentation) and you cannot say "it is 18% faster" without a proper review.
Especially because on the 6800, the mainstream card, they tested the card enabling a feature available ONLY to owners of a CPU that doesn't even really exist yet.

You mean like NV's DLSS? What is with this cherry picked? Can you make a list of games which in your opinion would not be cherry picked (not sure what you mean about cherry-picked benchmarks) which AMD should have gone with for the presentation?

 

[Max(IT)]

You act as a typical butthurt green boi would. So, shrug.

Sure...

You should watch the presentation again because what you are saying is total horeseshit. Not sure if you are deliberately acting like that or you're just an ignorant feeding this thread.

I was expecting this kind of reaction. As I said before, even if I have two AMD systems in my house, AMD supporters are the worst on the web, in total denial. I didn't even see something similar by Apple supporters...

 

[medi01]

AMD cherrypicked some benchmarks

For FS, you are mistaking LIsa and Jenseng.
When Lisa says "X" it is X.
When Jensen says "X", it is never X, and by how much real is off, depends on how much pain Jensen is in.
"Cherry picked", eh, Borderlands 3:

And then there are lovely youtube channels like DF, who totally for free can figure how to trounce older card performance to make Jensen's lies to look like usual likes.

Sure

That doesn't change the way you act. Even if you had "AMD" tatoo on your forehead.

 

[Max(IT)]

For FS, you are mistaking LIsa and Jenseng.
When Lisa says "X" it is X.
When Jensen says "X", it is never X, and by how much real is off, depends on how much pain Jensen is in.

And then there are lovely youtube channels like DF, who totally for free can figure how to trounce older card performance to make Jensen's lies to look like usual likes.


That doesn't change the way you act. Even if you had "AMD" tatoo on your forehead.

you are being childish.
I don't care about "Lisa or Jansen".

They are nothing to me.

I do care about the product, and I will choose between 6800 and 3070 the moment I will see a proper review. Not a marketing presentation.
The "way I act" is not cheerleading a brand. And it is not your business

 

[Vya Domus]

yes ONE study, and it didn't show us how many "14 years old players" there were. You don't know if 90% of those players are 24 years old, because the study just put a big class 10-25.
You should learn more about statistics

I thought you'd let go but you insist to be giga cringe worthy with this fixation on 14 year old players.

Let's recap, all studies dismissed entries from people below the age of 18, one did concluded that 53% of players are between 10-24 and given that most other studies concluded about 30% are between 18 and 24 that likely leaves a lot of users below 18. Our resident 200IQ statistician here therefore concluded that because most studies don't included that age bracket and only one does, it must mean there is no data that shows children are playing this game. This is from someone telling me to learn statistics mind you. Tons of news reports and articles about parents being annoyed about the fact their kids play this game isn't anecdotal evidence.

More over, you go on to say people between 20-25 years absolutely know what DLSS is. Really, genius, where's the data ? If you want to play this stupid game, square up and don't say something this outrageous.

 

[ratirt]

Sure...

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I was expecting this kind of reaction. As I said before, even if I have two AMD systems in my house, AMD supporters are the worst on the web, in total denial. I didn't even see something similar by Apple supporters...

If I'm AMD supporter then you are NV supporter. Case closed.

 

[medi01]

I don't care about "Lisa or Jansen".

You should not either.
But if you are into tech and still haven't noticed that it is almost never that Jensen says truth and almost never that Lisa lies, there is something wrong.

 

[Max(IT)]

If I'm AMD supporter then you are NV supporter. Case closed.

no, I am not.
I have NO brand loyalty at all.





Actually lately I spent much more on AMD than on other brands, and I'm considering a 6800 as my next VGA.

 

[ratirt]

no, I am not.
I have NO brand loyalty at all.

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Actually lately I spent much more on AMD than on other brands, and I'm considering a 6800 as my next VGA.

Cool Thanks for sharing.
I'm also considering and I will wait for 6800 and xt versions reviews but the odds are what they are and pointing cherry-picking games for benchmarks or usage of AMD new developed features with support for their products is not diminishing their credibility nor should be considered as cheating in any way. The raw performance is there and it is great in comparison to NVidia's cards.