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Cyberpunk 2077 System Requirements Lists Updated, Raytracing Unsupported on RX 6800 Series at Launch

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you need Zen 3 for lower res thn 4K but need at 4k at least Xen2, maybe it's just because i am tired (4am)

Never mind just tired and reading it wrong GN.
They don't mention Zen 3 at all in specs. It tops out at 3600.
 
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6900XT will be an extremely tough sell. I expect it to be nothing more than an extremely limited paper launch for its entire product life like the Radeon VII.
 
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6900XT will be an extremely tough sell. I expect it to be nothing more than an extremely limited paper launch for its entire product life like the Radeon VII.

Or a 3090 I imagine ?

Oh no wait, that one has a green sticker, that can't be right.
 
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You don't get it, all games on Windows use DXR, RTX doesn't exist as a software implementation. Nvidia did well to make everyone think RT is their invention on Windows.

That being said all games should run on any hardware that supports DXR, AMD or Nvidia. If it works well on Nvidia and it doesn't on AMD, well ... you can use your imagination on why that might be the case.
I don't personally think RT is a Nvidia invention. That's silly. It's been around forever. The main reason it wasn't used was because it wasn't seen as being feasible in real time.

That is to say that I don't disagree with you. There's no reason why it can't be done, as things are at this very moment. Right now, every DX12 game could technically do it and all that they have to do is 'enable' it. And yes, money and markets are definitely a big part. Nvidia obviously wants to have the first and last word, as always. But a big part of my argument is that... they actually can't. For the exact reasons you just mentioned. Unlike some of their other proprietary stuff, the nuts and bolts of their RTX isn't theirs at all. They just focused on building the hardware to utilize what was already there. You could make that case for their older ploys, too. But this is a little beyond those in scope imo.

Right now, it just so happens that Nvidia came around first with the hardware that could somewhat handle it, paired it up with DLSS, and packaged it up in a way that was convenient and lucrative for developers. Those devs can then ride that marketing up and get some fancy new tricks for their graphics pipeline that will at a minimum draw some extra buzz. And when their competitors do it, it ramps up more because it starts to look like you need RTX support somewhere on the box just to sell your game. That's not too hard to see, I think.

But it's not about if it runs. It will of course run on an AMD card, bear minimum. It could run on any card supporting DX12. But will it run well? Seems to be a bit more difficult.

My understanding of the deeper technical side isn't very good, but it seems like it's mostly an optimization game, both with the hardware and the implimetation in the games themselves. In other words: not magic. A lot of tech these days is marketing. But at the end of the day, Nvidia was first on the field for this with special hardware and shiny packaging. But if this stuff is going to have any longevity, that's not going to be able to dominate forever. I wouldn't bother mentioning hardware at all if I didn't think that was a part of it. It really doesn't seem like clever RTX marketing is the only reason RT is less of a thing with AMD cards, even if it's undeniably one of the big ones.

Again, they got there first, so devs look to them first. Simple matter of one is easier to deal with and pays nicely, while the other takes work to get running decently and offers little other incentive, hence it takes longer. Unless you're implying that getting it running acceptably on any hardware is really plug and play, requiring no considerations not already made for RTX. Feel free to correct me there, I don't know enough to say if its really that simple or not.

I don't think RT is enough in its current state for devs to really want to pursue DXR on its own. It's cumbersome. I think Nvidia probably saw that too and started wondering how to get devs to use it more. They saw an opportunity to position themselves a bit higher, took advantage of people's ignorance, and sweetened the pot for the guys who'd wear their new badge. Probably saw it as a good selling point, in lieu of nitty gritty performance gains.

Still, we might not even be talking about RT or DXR if not for RTX, love it or hate it. I personally don't love RTX, but I feel like I do have a decent grasp on why things are how they are right now. I just tend to see it as a necessary evil where one of two things happens. It could fade completely as a gimmick as DXR support (RTX or otherwise) as a whole wanes, and none of this really matters. Or that door opened by the RTX marketing and the push showing that RT actually is now viable eventually spurs enough interest to make it a widespread, staple feature, RTX card or not. If it is good and workable... and the ultimate impact is good, RT will see more use as hardware across the board continues to inch agonizingly upwards. It won't matter what it is called. Nvidia will probably always call it RTX. And I'm sure at some point AMD will jump into the branding game, too. And then one day the branding will be irrelevant because it's just another established method.
 
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They said they are working with AMD to get it working in the game on the newest AMD cards.

So this is another "patience is a virtue" moment.

And yes, RT performance will be abysmal like in everything else. That isn't a surprise.
 
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I think the reason why they didn't include AMD support at launch is simple - they had no hardware available.

XSX and PS5 devkits were probably available for some time now, seeing how at least XSX is confirmed as offering "some" raytracing features I don't think it's impossible for RDNA 2 to run RT on PC.
 
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As long as the game runs better than COD: Cold wars, AC Valhalla and Watchdogs: Legion which all have system requirements listed but do not mention average FPS which would be nice aswell if they do in future then it should be a fun game to play.
Watchdogs run like crap, COD runs better than Watchdogs but I shouldn't be seeing 60-90 fps on Low settings and Ultra at all.
 

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This game will not be released on nintendo switch i guess, I'm disappointed!
 
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I think the reason why they didn't include AMD support at launch is simple - they had no hardware available.

I am not really buying that, I am sure if CDPR wanted to they could have reached out to AMD and get hardware and support. But why would they when the game is sponsored by Nvidia ? I know, conspiracy theory and tinfoil hats, however I don't doubt for a second that Nvidia wouldn't have allowed for it even if there was incentive.

Imagine on the launch day of one of the most anticipated games how good Nvidia products will look when the performance figures for AMD with RT are going to be a big "N/A".
 
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ray tracing should only be enabled if you enable DLSS as well imo, performance hit isn't worth it otherwise. luckily this game supports both.

I'm fine that I will be missing out on ray tracing, meh.
Depends on the card, settings, and of course title. There are plenty of titles that are playable with RT enabled w/o dlss. Feel free to read some reviews... :)
 
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I am not really buying that, I am sure if CDPR wanted to they could have reached out to AMD and get hardware and support. But why would they when the game is sponsored by Nvidia ? I know, conspiracy theory and tinfoil hats, however I don't doubt for a second that Nvidia wouldn't have allowed for it even if there was incentive.

Imagine on the launch day of one of the most anticipated games how good Nvidia products will look when the performance figures for AMD with RT are going to be a big "N/A".
nVidia is a partner to CDPR for a while now and it is obvious that RT support on AMD and the new consoles will come after 2-3 months since the game launch has been postponed a few times already. Marketing money is important for game devs and they got the greenish ones. AC Valhalla's devs and a few other new games' ones got those money from AMD and it shows in optimisation for AMD GPUs vs the nVidia's.
 
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What's the expected availability for the 6800 cards - several months? They will have plenty of time to add the RT support to the game.
 
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What's the expected availability for the 6800 cards - several months? They will have plenty of time to add the RT support to the game.

Exactly, no point rushing support for the two people that own a 6800 series card.
 
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Exactly, no point rushing support for the two people that own a 6800 series card.
Aren't some of the AIB's launching their cards in 2 days?
From what i've read, exclusive AIB cards willl be out on 25th, with the rest of AIBs in mid-December.
 
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Aren't some of the AIB's launching their cards in 2 days?
From what i've read, exclusive AIB cards willl be out on 25th, with the rest of AIBs in mid-December.

Most probably scalpers will buy them all within few minutes after launch on 25th like they did with reference design cards and then sell them for extreme prices on eBay. :fear:

There are offers on eBay for 6800XT reference design going for 1400€. :twitch:
 
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Aren't some of the AIB's launching their cards in 2 days?
From what i've read, exclusive AIB cards willl be out on 25th, with the rest of AIBs in mid-December.
This is correct(ish). THe problem is they will be sold out immediately again and not available until 1Q 2021.
 
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i wouldn't take this too seriously excpectially when the game is far from being finished
 
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Aren't some of the AIB's launching their cards in 2 days?
From what i've read, exclusive AIB cards willl be out on 25th, with the rest of AIBs in mid-December.
Partner cards launched last week, they were available... for 18 minutes. Now they aren't even listed online. You expect AIB's to last longer? Good luck!
i wouldn't take this too seriously excpectially when the game is far from being finished
The game's gone gold last month. Now they're preparing Day 0 patches for all systems. That's far from "far from being finished".
 
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Partner cards launched last week, they were available... for 18 minutes. Now they aren't even listed online. You expect AIB's to last longer? Good luck!

The game's gone gold last month. Now they're preparing Day 0 patches for all systems. That's far from "far from being finished".

lol 6 months is far for my liking especially when im used to star citizen hehe :clap:

lol 6 months is far for my liking especially when im used to star citizen hehe :clap:

what do i know anyway chomiq ....
 

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WTF? Minimum is a RX 480 and high is RX 590; the RX 590 is practically the same card with just higher clocks..
 
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lol 6 months is far for my liking especially when im used to star citizen hehe :clap:



what do i know anyway chomiq ....
Gone gold on October 5.
Current release date: December 10
"6 months"
 
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Partner cards launched last week, they were available... for 18 minutes. Now they aren't even listed online. You expect AIB's to last longer? Good luck!
I was talking about the custom AIB designed cards, what you're reffering to is Reference cards in AIB boxes.
 
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I was talking about the custom AIB designed cards, what you're reffering to is Reference cards in AIB boxes.
And you honestly believe that they won't repeat the same scenario? Seriously?!
 
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