Intel owners who have switched to AMD

[thesmokingman]

Ok will do.

Do you think those gold tridents will run 3600 with the same or tighter timings as the other stuff? Probably not eh?

Generally speaking one should buy the fastest ram at the rated speed you want to run at. The ram is binned for that speed. Buying ram at a lower speed, means your buying ram binned for a lower speed and you are taking a chance they will run at a higher speed. Sometimes this works sometimes it doesn't. It just depends on how much padding they binned into it. A lot of guys will say buy the lower speed stuff and oc it, except they don't have to guarantee anything to you they just sound boastful and proud and you have to deal with the real issues. Keep that in mind.

 

[tabascosauz]

Ok!

CPU and ram are on the way.. should be here by Friday. Think I should send the XT back and get the 10600K?
Lol.. I’ve seen the Croods a lot, anything new is bad lol

Looks like we're going to be building together gotta build my friend's 3600X setup this weekend

 

[freeagent]

Awesome man! I am genuinely excited for this. I’m also ok with it not being the fastest. It’s still pretty good though. I can always build another rig if I’m not happy, but I think it will be fine. A good step up from what I had and that’s what counts.

 

[INSTG8R]

The Infinity Fabric and RAM always run at 1:1 unless you manually change it. This is one of the reasons that Ryzen processors see a significant performance improvement when using 3200-3600MHz RAM over say 2400MHz. The IF clock goes up to match the faster RAM. With 2400MHz RAM, the IF runs at 1200MHz. With 3200MHz RAM the IF runs at 1600MHz. The faster IF makes quite a bit of difference. Of course you start to hit diminishing returns after about 3200MHz. So the sweet spot for RAM tends to between 3200 and 3600MHz RAM.

I personally wouldn't waste my time returning 3200MHz RAM for 3600MHz RAM, the difference isn't noticeable in actual use.



I'll be picking up a 3090 for sure, but not until next year some time, when the hype dies down and their are plenty of models in stock to pick from.

My point was 1800mhz is max speed of IF on Zen 2 so 3600 is the “highest“ no need to be pedantic about what I meant about 1:1 and it certainly improves performance.

 

[Sandbo]

switched from Intel Z170+6700K to AM4+2700X then 3600X, never looked back.

 

[newtekie1]

My point was 1800mhz is max speed of IF on Zen 2 so 3600 is the “highest“ no need to be pedantic about what I meant about 1:1 and it certainly improves performance.

If that is what you meant, then you should have said that. Because what you said originally was wrong.

 

[TheLostSwede]

Generally speaking one should buy the fastest ram at the rated speed you want to run at. The ram is binned for that speed. Buying ram at a lower speed, means your buying ram binned for a lower speed and you are taking a chance they will run at a higher speed. Sometimes this works sometimes it doesn't. It just depends on how much padding they binned into it. A lot of guys will say buy the lower speed stuff and oc it, except they don't have to guarantee anything to you they just sound boastful and proud and you have to deal with the real issues. Keep that in mind.

Ha! I recommended a friend of mine to buy faster RAM and underclock it
Mostly because RAM is quite cheap at the moment so...

 

[freeagent]

I'm having a hard time choosing a board. I was originally going to go with the Strix B550-F but had second thoughts because of some of the Newegg reviews. Not sure if its a problem on the user side with being new, or if it genuinely has some issues. TPU review looked good, and so did some others. I was looking at X570 and they are pricy if you want something decent? Its crazy how some B550 have more useable features than X570. That Strix is on sale for a really good price right now. Dammit.

My biggest fear with this build right now is those dam pins at cooler removal.

 

[tabascosauz]

I'm having a hard time choosing a board. I was originally going to go with the Strix B550-F but had second thoughts because of some of the Newegg reviews. Not sure if its a problem on the user side with being new, or if it genuinely has some issues. TPU review looked good, and so did some others. I was looking at X570 and they are pricy if you want something decent? Its crazy how some B550 have more useable features than X570. That Strix is on sale for a really good price right now. Dammit.

My biggest fear with this build right now is those dam pins at cooler removal.

I thought you bought the board already ?!

No need to worry yourself sick over the PGA socket. Just don't yank it like you would Intel. Undo the cooler mounting mechanism so that the paste is the only thing holding it together, then gently massage/wiggle the cooler until you feel the paste starting to give, then keep going until it comes off. Slow and steady wins the race.

Unless you use the stock cooler with the pre-applied glue paste, then you're boned.

As for boards, the B550-F, X570-F, X570 Tomahawk, B550 Tomahawk, X570 Aorus Pro and B550 Aorus Pro all sit around the same mark. Asus BIOS is undeniably the easiest to navigate and work with, but the other boards have their own perks.

 

[toname]

Really? Those are still APUs and they're Athlons, not Ryzen
Was the OP asking about Athlons?

Here are some RYZEN APUs

https://www.amd.com/en/processors/ryzen-with-graphics

 

[TheLostSwede]

Here are some RYZEN APUs

https://www.amd.com/en/processors/ryzen-with-graphics

Sorry, what?
I'm 1. not sure why you're quoting me 2. not sure what you're replying to and 3. not sure what relevance this has.

 

[freeagent]

I thought you bought the board already ?!

No need to worry yourself sick over the PGA socket. Just don't yank it like you would Intel. Undo the mounting mechanism so that the paste is the only thing holding it together, then gently massage/wiggle the cooler until you feel the paste starting to give, then keep going until it comes off. Slow and steady wins the race.

Unless you use the stock cooler with the pre-applied glue paste, then you're boned.

As for boards, the B550-F, X570-F, X570 Tomahawk, B550 Tomahawk, X570 Aorus Pro and B550 Aorus Pro all sit around the same mark. Asus BIOS is undeniably the easiest to navigate and work with, but the other boards have their own perks.

I know, I'm a total worry wart, got the white hair to prove it lol. Ok, shouldn't be completely new to me, I did run 939 and had it happen a couple of times. But I had that cooler off probably a hundred times. I think it was from AS5, but cant be certain.. I don't use that anymore. Alright, I will pull the trigger on a board today, I was going to wait.. but I get paid in a couple of days and have an overdraft if I need it, as well as CC I suppose, but trying not to use it. And she is working now so that is a huge bonus. Huge. Ok, I'm going to get the B550 Strix, or maybe was looking at the B550 Extreme4.. just a little more initially but cheaper after mail in rebate. Those are the 2 B550 boards I am interested in. I checked the Asrock QVL but my tridents aren't on the list, but the Asrock is on G.Skills QVL.

 

[tabascosauz]

I know, I'm a total worry wart, got the white hair to prove it lol. Ok, shouldn't be completely new to me, I did run 939 and had it happen a couple of times. But I had that cooler off probably a hundred times. I think it was from AS5, but cant be certain.. I don't use that anymore. Alright, I will pull the trigger on a board today, I was going to wait.. but I get paid in a couple of days and have an overdraft if I need it, as well as CC I suppose, but trying not to use it. And she is working now so that is a huge bonus. Huge. Ok, I'm going to get the B550 Strix, or maybe was looking at the B550 Extreme4.. just a little more initially but cheaper after mail in rebate. Those are the 2 B550 boards I am interested in. I checked the Asrock QVL but my tridents aren't on the list, but the Asrock is on G.Skills QVL.

If anything, I wouldn't worry about Asus' QVL as on the 6-layer and better Asus boards they generally know what they're doing designing memory traces, and it's a special achievement to make a 6-layer board that can't run dual rank 3600 lmao. ASRock, however...let's just say that memory isn't their strong suit and leave it at that. Don't want to relive that experience again.

Wouldn't take anything else over Asus BIOS too. Gigabyte BIOS decent if you get to know it inside and out, MSI BIOS hard on the eyes but knows what it's doing for memory training, Asus best all-round. But that's just my opinion.

 

[freeagent]

Thanks man, ok going to order the Asus

Ok I bought it! I didn’t get the WiFi version though. I would have but I like money too, and don’t really need WiFi on my pc.

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I also found AM4 mounting hardware for one of my Thermalright coolers. It will work for both so I don’t need to use the stock cooler. I tried for 3 days to contact Thermalright for a mounting kit, no reply. Not impressed. But I have the parts for one I think so it’s fine I suppose.

 

[tabascosauz]

Thanks man, ok going to order the Asus

Ok I bought it! I didn’t get the WiFi version though. I would have but I like money too, and don’t really need WiFi on my pc.

ASUS ROG STRIX B550-F GAMING AM4 ATX Motherboard - Newegg.com

Buy ASUS ROG Strix B550-F Gaming AMD AM4 Zen 3 Ryzen 5000 & 3rd Gen Ryzen ATX Gaming Motherboard (PCIe 4.0, 2.5Gb LAN, BIOS Flashback, HDMI 2.1, Addressable Gen 2 RGB Header and Aura Sync) with fast shipping and top-rated customer service. Once you know, you Newegg!

www.newegg.ca

I also found AM4 mounting hardware for one of my Thermalright coolers. It will work for both so I don’t need to use the stock cooler. I tried for 3 days to contact Thermalright for a mounting kit, no reply. Not impressed. But I have the parts for one I think so it’s fine I suppose.

Easy enough to add with a PCIe Wifi card later.

Dunno if you have any preferences for paste, but I've had an easier time with cooler removal moving from NT-H1 to MX4. MX4 is pretty runny by comparison and less "dry" so when it comes time to repaste it's been an easy affair for me, regardless of the size of cooler from my smallest U9S all the way to the chunky Dark Rock Pro 4. You'll get used to repasting AM4 regardless of what you use.

Obviously if you're the type to use Kryonaut or even Conductonaut, MX4 probably won't float your boat thermally

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I use Kryonaut on all my amd system zero issues repasting although I use aio cooling on all of them..... The only issues I've ever had is with the stock amd paste which is just nasty imo.

 

[freeagent]

Just wanted to thank you guys. Thanks for taking the time out to help, explain, and for sharing your thoughts. It is very much appreciated. Everyone who replied is awesome.

As for paste, I have been using TF8 for about a year now, that stuff is great. I remember AS5 thickens up quite a bit when it’s cured, this stuff doesn’t. So it might be ok.. I’ll try to heat it up before I dismount. I’ll check IHS for flatness and go with the best mate. I’ve got a cooler with 6x 8mm pipes and one with 7x 6mm pipes.. I hope they work as good on AMD as they did on my Intel systems. I think the plate on my LGMRT is machined a little nicer. My TS140P is a little more convex. I’m guessing it’s down to the machine operator at that point it and the care he took in loading the part to be machined. I know of another guy who has my coolers and his TS140P is about 5c better than his LGMRT, where mine is the opposite. Either way, I’m fairly happy. Even though I spent a little more on ram, I still saved about a hundred bucks and 14% tax. Next up is a GPU lol

After Christmas..

 

[oxrufiioxo]

With the way the gpu market is going it may be February or March before you can grab anything decent.

 

[freeagent]

That’s ok, I can start saving in January and get something decent by then. I’m still at 1080p/60 so my 980 is still ok for now for the games I own. My Epic library is becoming.. epic lol.

Well, my first part came!

 

[Flogger23m]

AM4 was a mess in the early days but it wasn't that bad; just couldn't get RAM to run at full speed. After around a year of BIOS updates it worked great. I upgraded my CPU then to a 2700X and now to a 3700X. Now I can run my RAM at full speed. Zero issues since.

It was a $110 side grade from my 4670K to the 1600, but it was worth it when you factor in my current CPU and BIOS updates. If I hadn't hesitated the side grade would've been $90 originally. Passed up some coupons but finally bit.

 

[freeagent]

I’m pretty stoked if I’m honest! I love my z77.. though it did suffer the recent loss of its P8Z77-V, and was replaced with a beastly Z77 OC Formula. My previous system was X58.. I am excited to see what nearly a decade of technology has done for the pc since I have not seen anything newer running lol. It should be good!

 

[MikeMurphy]

Hi, just curious how you like the AM4 platform? Is it as smooth as running an Intel? Any quirks? Regrets? Would you do anything different?

I am running a Z77 system and would like to move into something newer. Years ago I told myself I would have to try AMD again when they are beating Intel again. Looks like the day is here. The last time I ran AMD it was a little quirky.. Performance was excellent, but stability.. eh.. not so much. In these crazy days my money is limited, and I don't want to waste it on a system I may end up regretting. My family uses my computer so the stability isn't just for my sanity. If I did end up rolling with AMD, who makes the most stable boards? I dont mind spending a few bucks if its worth it. I probably wouldn't be going with the newest that's out, but maybe something second gen-ish.

Thanks!

I just went from an overclocked 6700k to a 5900x. The performance increase is astounding, both from the 20%+ IPC increase and having 3x as many cores. For context my R20 multicore score went from 2300 to 8200 and I'm using rubbish slow RAM on the 5900x.

Even puttering around Chrome and Windows is noticeably faster.

Highly recommended.

 

[freeagent]

I just scooped a 500GB WD Black SN750
Just needs a GPU now

And maybe a faster nvme after that..

And then a 5 series??

 

[newtekie1]

And maybe a faster nvme after that..

Don't waste your money, you won't notice the difference.

 

[freeagent]

I’m hoping Le Grand Macho RT will fit nicely. It should.. my biggest fear is having to use the stock cooler lol

I just cleaned up my Meshify C so she’s clean and shiny again, Just need some parts to install and I’ll be happier.