Intel owners who have switched to AMD

[Ruru]

Had a Ryzen 5 2600 for about 1½ years. Sold those in May, went for a while with old i7-2600K and now I have Ryzen 5 3600. Nothing to complain here with Ryzens.

 

[newtekie1]

Go with the 3600XT and save the extra to apply to a 5000 series in 12-18 months.

If you are going to do that, get a 3100. It's enough for a few months. Plus, the 3700X is actually cheaper than the 3600XT. The 3700X is only $280 compared to the $309 for 3600XT.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

If you are going to do that, get a 3100. It's enough for a few months. Plus, the 3700X is actually cheaper than the 3600XT. The 3700X is only $280 compared to the $309 for 3600XT.

Op is Canadian so quoting us prices is pretty pointless

309 cad vs 399 cad

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[Deleted member 202104]

If you are going to do that, get a 3100. It's enough for a few months. Plus, the 3700X is actually cheaper than the 3600XT. The 3700X is only $280 compared to the $309 for 3600XT.

Poster is in Canada so prices are a bit different, and the resale value of a 6-core part (or re-purposing of) is going to be better than a 4-core part, especially the 3100 with its split compute units.

 

[freeagent]

Yes, sorry I am Canadian, and our prices kind of suck.

this is the choices I have:

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I think the 3600XT will be fine

 

[newtekie1]

Oh, sorry, I saw newegg and just assumed US. In that case, yeah go with the 3600XT.

 

[freeagent]

Ok! Making some progress..

I really fought the urge to buy Intel. It was hard. I sure hope I don't rip that CPU out of the socket I will be so choked.

This is what I bought so far. I have my loan payment coming out so I had to keep myself in check.. Next check I will get a board..

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And the ram.. its not the fastest but it should still do ok.. if not well.. I don't know I'll figure that out later.

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Its CL14 so it should still do ok.. maybe. Its the only reason I bought it I swear lol. Not sure about the gold and bling and omg lol. I almost feel ridiculous now maybe Ill sharpie it later. It was also on the QVL list for the board I was looking at, one of the first entries for that size and speed heh..

And this is the board I will be getting.. Unless I persuade myself to get an X570. I almost typed X58..

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[oxrufiioxo]

Rams fine other than the price pretty sure you should be able to get a 3600 CL16 kit for that

Like this Bdie kit

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[freeagent]

Uhoh I thought those were the ones. I already paid for them. Shit. Should I send them back and get those?

 

[INSTG8R]

Uhoh I thought those were the ones. I already paid for them. Shit. Should I send them back and get those?

I would, 3600 lets you run 1:1 with the Infinity Fabric on the CPU

 

[freeagent]

Ok will do.

Do you think those gold tridents will run 3600 with the same or tighter timings as the other stuff? Probably not eh?

 

[INSTG8R]

Ok will do.

Do you think those gold tridents will run 3600 with the same or tighter timings as the other stuff? Probably not eh?

Well they are CL14 and probably decent ICs so loosening to say CL16 they may be able to hit 3600.

 

[tabascosauz]

Ok will do.

Do you think those gold tridents will run 3600 with the same or tighter timings as the other stuff? Probably not eh?

That's a tricky one. Generally, the 3200/14s should be of a better bin than the 3600/16 B-dies, meaning they will overclock better and/or at lower voltage. But the 3600 kit will offer better out of the box performance. I would expect a 3200/14 to do 3600/14 without issue.

In terms of B-die, both are alright. Personally, I feel that $200+ is a steep price to pay for a single rank B-die kit here, especially one that you will need to learn to overclock to get the most out of it, but I paid $135 for my 4133 Viper Steels so I might be biased lol. But if you're open to learning, there's nothing here that can't be quickly picked up.

These are two 8GB single rank sticks in a 4 DIMM motherboard, there shouldn't be thermal problems at all. Thus being Bdie, if you want to overclock, you should honestly be going straight to 1.45/1.5V and seeing what you can get out of it. At 1.5V, both 3200/14 and 3600/16 should be able to do 3600/14 without a worry in the world. 1.45V, a little less certain.

Moral of the story, unless you really genuinely care this much about learning about memory overclocking that doesn't exactly impact real performance by much, save the money and stick with the $100 Ballistix 3600/16 I told you about. Even that one will let you learn and tweak, different ICs have different characteristics but the basics remain the same.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

All 6 of my 3200CL14 kits do 3800 16-16-16-32 or better with decent subtimings most at 1.4-1.45V none of them do 3800 CL 14-14-14 though at least at voltages I'm comfortable with running 24/7

So it really comes down to how much you want to tweak them and how much you love the gold heatspreader and the crystal rgb I have a 4000 CL15 kit of the silver variant and they look amazing but for most the cost difference just doesn't make sense.

Stock XMP/DOCP is usually pretty terrible so regardless of what ram kit maybe other than the 3800 CL14 kit you'll need to tweak to get the most out of them but if you don't plan on tweaking at all I would definitely go with a 3600 CL16 kit.

 

[freeagent]

Thanks a lot, I really appreciate it! I knew I should have ran it by you guys. I assumed they were good sticks, my mistake. 25 bucks of that cost was shipping from the states, and those other ones that were linked will also cost the same to import. Those white ones were only 20 to import. You guys are all awesome, I will have to look to the forum for tips and tricks. I don’t think I’m going to start overclocking right away. As for learning to clock again, I don’t mind.. maybe I’ll just buy another set and sit on these ones. I can’t escape high prices, even people selling used stuff around here are wanting close to retail. Sickening. So those Ballistix weren’t on the QVL for the mobo I was looking at, is that still a bit of an issue these days? If not I will just buy them. Maybe I’ll keep the golds for an Intel build. She has a great job right now and I don’t have to support a family of four by myself anymore so money should be a little easier for me to come by in the future.

 

[tabascosauz]

Thanks a lot, I really appreciate it! I knew I should have ran it by you guys. I assumed they were good sticks, my mistake. 25 bucks of that cost was shipping from the states, and those other ones that were linked will also cost the same to import. Those white ones were only 20 to import. You guys are all awesome, I will have to look to the forum for tips and tricks. I don’t think I’m going to start overclocking right away. As for learning to clock again, I don’t mind.. maybe I’ll just buy another set and sit on these ones. I can’t escape high prices, even people selling used stuff around here are wanting close to retail. Sickening. So those Ballistix weren’t on the QVL for the mobo I was looking at, is that still a bit of an issue these days? If not I will just buy them. Maybe I’ll keep the golds for an Intel build. She has a great job right now and I don’t have to support a family of four by myself anymore so money should be a little easier for me to come by in the future.

The Royals aren't bad sticks. Neither are the RGBs. Anything that can only be B-die - 3200/14, 3600 16-16-16, 4000/15, 4000 18-19-19, 4400 19-19-19 - isn't "bad" by any stretch of the imagination. The only "bad" B-die is the Corsair stuff that isn't readily identifiable as B-die and that you only got as luck of the draw out of the billion other possible ICs that you can potentially get in that kit.

The Royals are just very expensive, because they're Royals.

QVL makes a lot more sense when we're talking about bargain basement $50-100 4-layer PCB motherboards, some of which literally struggle with running dual rank sticks at 3600MT/s because their memory trace design is so bad; you shouldn't have issues with the white Ballistix on your Strix-F. My guess is probably that it's either 8Gb Micron Rev.E or the peculiar 16Gb-cut-down-to-8Gb Micron Rev.B, both of which are easy overclockers and are made for good compatibility with Ryzen.

All 6 of my 3200CL14 kits do 3800 16-16-16-32 or better with decent subtimings most at 1.4-1.45V none of them do 3800 CL 14-14-14 though at least at voltages I'm comfortable with running 24/7

Makes me feel a bit better about not being able to do 3800/14 on my Viper Steel knowing that the good G.skills have trouble too

 

[EarthDog]

If you're 16x posts, in to a build thread, I'd stick to the motherboard QVL list just to make sure. All this 'die' talk is great information, but not terribly relevant considering you're going to set XMP/DOCP/AXMP and go (right)?.

 

[freeagent]

Thanks man, this thread is full of great info! I’ll probably buy those Ballistix anyways just because of the cost of shipping.. like throwing fifty bucks away. I did buy the XT for tweaking a bit if I’m honest. I don’t intend to clock right away, but if the bios looks inviting and I can decipher what’s going on then maybe sooner than later.. like first boot to get the ram running 1:1 lol.

If you're 16x posts, in to a build thread, I'd stick to the motherboard QVL list just to make sure. All this 'die' talk is great information, but not terribly relevant considering you're going to set XMP/DOCP/AXMP and go (right)?.

Probably..

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Ryzen memory tweaking is much easier than intel and Bdie you should be able to tweak in your sleep if shipping it back cost you money just keep it and tweak it whenever you feel up to it.

until you get a much faster gpu 3200 is gonna feel just like 3800 and even then we are talking 3-5% once both are heavily tuned in cpu limited scenarios.

 

[freeagent]

I’m sure it will rock compared to ddr3 1866 9-10-9-28-2T

I love my Z77 but it’s time to move on. She doesn’t owe me a thing. After I get a mobo I’ll grab a new GPU. I looked on the weekend and anything worth buying IMO was sold out.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Yeah just rock the 980 till the gpu market calms down not sure what your budget is but the 6700XT/3060Ti should both be very good at around the 520-550 cad mark just a guess because they should be around 399 usd

 

[freeagent]

Yup that’s what I was looking at, and maybe a 3070 cuz I’m feeling saucy. I knew the AMD cards would have been sold out. Lots of people flexing their credit cards lately

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I looked at one (6800XT) for a couple minutes on newegg and was tempted but going to wait for a 3080 ti and if that never materializes I'll likely just grab a 3090 at some point.

 

[newtekie1]

I would, 3600 lets you run 1:1 with the Infinity Fabric on the CPU

The Infinity Fabric and RAM always run at 1:1 unless you manually change it. This is one of the reasons that Ryzen processors see a significant performance improvement when using 3200-3600MHz RAM over say 2400MHz. The IF clock goes up to match the faster RAM. With 2400MHz RAM, the IF runs at 1200MHz. With 3200MHz RAM the IF runs at 1600MHz. The faster IF makes quite a bit of difference. Of course you start to hit diminishing returns after about 3200MHz. So the sweet spot for RAM tends to between 3200 and 3600MHz RAM.

I personally wouldn't waste my time returning 3200MHz RAM for 3600MHz RAM, the difference isn't noticeable in actual use.

I looked at one (6800XT) for a couple minutes on newegg and was tempted but going to wait for a 3080 ti and if that never materializes I'll likely just grab a 3090 at some point.

I'll be picking up a 3090 for sure, but not until next year some time, when the hype dies down and their are plenty of models in stock to pick from.

 

[freeagent]

Ok!

CPU and ram are on the way.. should be here by Friday. Think I should send the XT back and get the 10600K?
Lol.. I’ve seen the Croods a lot, anything new is bad lol