X79 and/or rampage IV OC'ing thread for those of us still left....

[bobbybluz]

Too bad your 4960X is an ES. I sold my 4960X earlier this year, bought an E5 1680 V2 and turned a profit of over $100 after Ebay fees. The 1680 V2 is nearly identical in performance to a 5960X. There are 1680 V2's for $150 on Ebay at the moment, the same price I paid each for the two I have and half of what I paid for my 5960X.

 

[Zyll Goliat]

Too bad your 4960X is an ES. I sold my 4960X earlier this year, bought an E5 1680 V2 and turned a profit of over $100 after Ebay fees. The 1680 V2 is nearly identical in performance to a 5960X. There are 1680 V2's for $150 on Ebay at the moment, the same price I paid each for the two I have and half of what I paid for my 5960X.

Yeah those Extreme(X)CPU's are still very expensive....you make a good deal @bobbybluz 1680 V2 is awesome CPU and it's paired well with that R9 Fury X.....I get one of those Fury cards (Just R9 Fury non X)really cheap(75€)recently...I guess I was a bit curious how it will perform so I did a bit testing and it was beating in every game/benchmark my RX 480 8gb so I sold RX 480 and I keep R9 Fury + I earn few bucks on a side as RX 480 is still holds the price....

 

[j1n101]

Well I tried different setups, with high vcore, vtt, etc, but still safe voltage, boosting the % capability, even lowered the ram frequency to 1600mhz but still no post, just showing a couple of error codes on the motherboard and among them : 5A, which is internal CPU error... seems like it's not made to get past 4.0ghz, too bad for an extreme CPU

I also tried oc with CPU strap, able to get windows with 125mhz x 32 for a 4.0ghz, but with 33 still no boot

 

[Zyll Goliat]

They ain't called engineered sample for nothing....tho' still 4Ghz ain't that bad you should do some testing/benchmarkng and post your results here so that you/us can compare that and then you can decide is it worth for you to get some other CPU....

 

[j1n101]

I have it for 1 month actually, I previously had a 3770K @4.2ghz and I was CPU limited most of the time in recent games... with this one even @4.0ghz only, it's still a big improve

It runs really smooth with a GTX1080 for 1080p gaming, on the new Assassin Creed I compared with a R5 3600 / RTX 2060 and I have the same average framerate on high / very high presets, that's enough for me and I'm sure it would be good for Cyberpunk 2077

I don't think there will be a huge difference with a Xeon @4.5ghz, I mean only for gaming purpose

 

[Zyll Goliat]

I have it for 1 month actually, I previously had a 3770K @4.2ghz and I was CPU limited most of the time in recent games... with this one even @4.0ghz only, it's still a big improve

It runs really smooth with a GTX1080 for 1080p gaming, on the new Assassin Creed I compared with a R5 3600 / RTX 2060 and I have the same average framerate on high / very high presets, that's enough for me and I'm sure it would be good for Cyberpunk 2077

I don't think there will be a huge difference with a Xeon @4.5ghz, I mean only for gaming purpose

Yeah certainly that is a big improvement over the 3770k....also you have a solid GPU and I am sure that even the stock 4960X can handle that GPU with no problems so OC on 4Ghz on all cores ain't bad at all....
Again feel free to do some 3Dmark/Fire Strike/Time Spy,unigine Heaven + maybe some Cinebench R15/R20 and Passmark9/10 post your results here and you can see and compare it...also there are other threads on this site with various benchmarks so you can see the results there and see how your RIG stands......GL

 

[bobbybluz]

Yeah those Extreme(X)CPU's are still very expensive....you make a good deal @bobbybluz 1680 V2 is awesome CPU and it's paired well with that R9 Fury X.....I get one of those Fury cards (Just R9 Fury non X)really cheap(75€)recently...I guess I was a bit curious how it will perform so I did a bit testing and it was beating in every game/benchmark my RX 480 8gb so I sold RX 480 and I keep R9 Fury + I earn few bucks on a side as RX 480 is still holds the price....

I have XFX R9 Fury X's in both of my 1680 V2 rigs plus in my 5960X box. I got them cheap locally off Craigslist. With the liquid cooling they run very cool.

 

[Zyll Goliat]

I have XFX R9 Fury X's in both of my 1680 V2 rigs plus in my 5960X box. I got them cheap locally off Craigslist. With the liquid cooling they run very cool.

I have Sapphire Nitro R9 Fury I modded bios so now it's working on 1070Mhz it's a minor OC(stock was 1020Mhz)I could OC up to the 1100Mhz but everything above 1070 required a lot more voltages and it's just not worth it....on this speed runs cool&stable I like this card performs really good and the thermal solution by Sapphire is great card max temps are around 65c-67c.....only problem is the 4Gb of Vram buffer tho' so far I didn't have any problems with that......it is 4gb but it is HBM so it's fast...really fast...
P.S.Do you have any benchmark results Fire Strike/Time Spy Unigine Heaven?I will just like to compare how big is the difference between Fury and Fury x.....

 

[j1n101]

Sorry I'm not really a bench guy, I just tried Cinebench R20 tho, got less than 2500 all cores, pretty weak

And I was wondering if the 1680 v2 is compatible with the asus rampage 4 extreme ? Because it's not list as a supported cpu

 

[Zyll Goliat]

Sorry I'm not really a bench guy, I just tried Cinebench R20 tho, got less than 2500 all cores, pretty weak

And I was wondering if the 1680 v2 is compatible with the asus rampage 4 extreme ? Because it's not list as a supported cpu

2500 cb is not a bad scores for a 6c/12t almost good as Ryzen 1600 also Cine R20 using AVX 2 and X79 platform do not support that so it is normal to have a bit lower results it will be good If you can do a Time Spy&Fire Strike benchmarks you can download Free 3DMark HERE so that we can see your CPU&GPU scores
I am pretty sure that your mobo supports 1680 V2 you will need to update your bios first if is not updated already but take it easy let see first how's your RIG handling the things before you decide to upgrade.....also read first on the net about other people with the same board&1680 V2 to be 100% sure...

 

[j1n101]

Yep I won't buy anything now but an 8 cores could be interesting as gaming need more and more cpu threads with time, 6c/12t is the sweet spot at the moment


I'm just kinda frustrated to have an "extreme" platform and not being able to push it to the limit

 

[Zyll Goliat]

Yep I won't buy anything now but an 8 cores could be interesting as gaming need more and more cpu threads with time, 6c/12t is the sweet spot at the moment


I'm just kinda frustrated to have an "extreme" platform and not being able to push it to the limit

I totally get you and listen I am not saying to you to not buy 1680 V2 IF you have the money to spend then go for it man it's great cpu....but if you are on the budget then really there is not such a need for upgrade most likely with that same GPU (GTX 1080) you will not notice difference or it will be really minimal.....

 

[j1n101]

Yep but just for fun, I'll probably going to buy a 2667 V2, still overclockable with cpu strap or bclk, and you get a 8 cores 16 threads cpu @4ghz minimum, for only ~70€

 

[itsKabini]

Hey guys, I've been running an x79 system (rampage 4 extreme, e5-2687w) for a long time and am thinking now is a pretty good time to look into overclockin. I'm pretty sure the CPU is bottlenecking my GPU (vega 64) in rome 2 total war as my FPS is quite low but with quite a low GPU usage.

I'm planning to turn off hyperthreading to get a few more FPS, as I doubt many games need more than 8 threads, but do I need a modded BIOS to overclock the CPU? I didn't do enough research when replacing my i7-3820 and now realise I have a CPU with a locked multiplier. I know I can change the bclk, but from what I remember this could cause a lot of stability problems for other parts of the system with even a small change.

Any links to overclocking guides or modded bios threads would be appreciated. I had a quick look through this thread but couldn't really find an "introductory guide" to x79 overclocking with locked multipliers.

 

[Zyll Goliat]

Hey guys, I've been running an x79 system (rampage 4 extreme, e5-2687w) for a long time and am thinking now is a pretty good time to look into overclockin. I'm pretty sure the CPU is bottlenecking my GPU (vega 64) in rome 2 total war as my FPS is quite low but with quite a low GPU usage.

I'm planning to turn off hyperthreading to get a few more FPS, as I doubt many games need more than 8 threads, but do I need a modded BIOS to overclock the CPU? I didn't do enough research when replacing my i7-3820 and now realise I have a CPU with a locked multiplier. I know I can change the bclk, but from what I remember this could cause a lot of stability problems for other parts of the system with even a small change.

Any links to overclocking guides or modded bios threads would be appreciated. I had a quick look through this thread but couldn't really find an "introductory guide" to x79 overclocking with locked multipliers.

Only way to OC locked Xeons is by rising the base clock(BCLK)so if you have some decent motherboard you can try and see how far you can go....go slow first try to see if everything is stable on 103,105 BCLK and if it is then go more&more......I personally atm have Xeon 2697 V2 and it is OC via BCLK on 115,2 also before I have Xeon 2650 V2 and it was OC up to the 113,4 so it is possible to reach some more then decent speeds just go easy step by step.....

 

[itsKabini]

Only way to OC locked Xeons is by rising the base clock(BCLK)so if you have some decent motherboard you can try and see how far you can go....go slow first try to see if everything is stable on 103,105 BCLK and if it is then go more&more......I personally atm have Xeon 2697 V2 and it is OC via BCLK on 115,2 also before I have Xeon 2650 V2 and it was OC up to the 113,4 so it is possible to reach some more then decent speeds just go easy step by step.....

Ah that's a shame, is it possible to set the multiplier strap to 1.25 and then turn the multipliers down to access the full range of frequencies? Or would I have to just hope that my chip can handle regular multipliers at 1.25x (4.75GHz boost).

I'll try the BCLK method tonight and see where it gets me. Whats a reasonable voltage to be using for the CPU? Is it just dependant on what temperature it causes.

 

[Zyll Goliat]

Ah that's a shame, is it possible to set the multiplier strap to 1.25 and then turn the multipliers down to access the full range of frequencies? Or would I have to just hope that my chip can handle regular multipliers at 1.25x (4.75GHz boost).

I'll try the BCLK method tonight and see where it gets me. Whats a reasonable voltage to be using for the CPU? Is it just dependant on what temperature it causes.

You can try with strap but it is more likely that will only work on 100 also you can't change multipliers as those Xeons are LOCKED and as I said only way to OC is via BCLK + turbo on...
Here read THIS as I recently make this post where you can see the difference when those Xeons are OC/bclk and how they perform also you can check&compare those results with your own....

Whats a reasonable voltage to be using for the CPU?

In my experience with the Xeons V2 the Voltage should be somewhere in between 1,1V-1,2V tho' you have 32nm(a bit older) Xeon 2687W with higher TDP/150W so Voltage can go probably higher than my numbers still I reckon that you should try to stay bellow 1,35V

P.S.My Advice is to first do some benchmark on stock speeds(Time Spy/FireStrike,Passmark,Cinebench...etc/Save pictures) then try your best with BCLK OC and then compare it and of course you can share those results with us in here or even better on Xeon Owners Club page....GL

 

[itsKabini]

You can try with strap but it is more likely that will only work on 100 also you can't change multipliers as those Xeons are LOCKED and as I said only way to OC is via BCLK + turbo on...
Here read THIS as I recently make this post where you can see the difference when those Xeons are OC and how they perform also you can check&compare those results with your own....

In my experience with the Xeons V2 the Voltage should be somewhere in between 1,1V-1,2V tho' you have 32nm(a bit older) Xeon 2687W with higher TDP/150W so I recon that Voltage can go probably higher than my numbers still I reckon that you should try to stay bellow 1,35V

P.S.My Advice is to first do some benchmark on stock speeds(Time Spy/FireStrike,Passmark,Cinebench...etc/Save pictures) then try your best with BCLK OC and then compare it and of course you can share those results with us in here or even better on Xeon Owners Club page....GL

that's unfortunate. I definitely should have done more reading around and got something that could clock a bit higher.

It looks like there's some pretty significant gains to be had by doing it. I'll definitely make some attempts tonight and see where I get to. It's a v1 so I should be fairly safe voltage wise. if I accidentally kill it it'll be a good excuse to get one that's unlocked . Thanks for the help

 

[j1n101]

Oh, so locked mean really locked, I thought you could at least set the ratio to its turbo maximum on all cores, but you can't even do that ?

Hmm, not really useful to buy a E5 26xx in this case

 

[Zyll Goliat]

Oh, so locked mean really locked, I thought you could at least set the ratio to its turbo maximum on all cores, but you can't even do that ?

No you can't ONLY way is via BCLK.....Turbo-Hack is possible on some X99 motherboard's but that's a different platform

Hmm, not really useful to buy a E5 26xx in this case

That really depends of yours personal priority's and what will be the main purpose for your RIG

 

[Sci666]

iam sticking for years on my x79 platform
i got a asus Rampage IV Extreme + 32gb 2400 ram and an E5-1680 V2 allcore 4,4 Ghz + GTX 1080 it runs and runs and runs

iam wondering what will be an adequate successor for this ?

i would only upgrade to another enthusiast platform like x299 with quadchannel ram ... not to the consumer shit with 2 channel nonsense :-D and no AMD !

but at the other hand ..an upgrade would be very expensive with minimal advantage i think minimum is a 10 core cpu ?

 

[j1n101]

Depends on what you will do with this setup, for gaming purpose a 1680v2 @4.4 is more than enough but the GTX1080 is getting old

Probably change GPU first, eg my 4960X / GTX1080@2000+mhz can't stand Cyberpunk properly even at 1080p, it will getting worse and worse with the new games of the next gen

 

[bobbybluz]

I sold my 4960X on Ebay, turned a very nice profit and bought my second E5 1680 V2 for $150. The 1680 V2 in a X79 platform is very close to a 5960X in X99 with the CPU's @4.5Ghz. I have both running identical hardware other than faster DDR4 RAM in the X99.

On the other hand I recently built another X99 rig using a Xeon E5 2683 V4 and 128GB of RAM. For video and audio production use it's far better than any X79 setup by a wide margin. 16 cores/32 threads handles video transcoding far faster and doesn't even get warm doing it. At stock clock speed (locked multiplier) with BLCK at 103.5 the 2683 V4 scores over 2,000 points higher in PassMark than my 4960X did @4.6Ghz. My two 1680 V2's and 5960X @4.5Ghz score an additional 2,000 points more with the 5960X leading at 22,768 with the 1680 V2's being slighter lower than 400 points less than that.

 

[1000Gbps]

Happy New Year!

Now to the problem (note I already asked in SO SuperUser but seems the community there is missing)

Have the following machine:

• CPU: s.2011 Intel E5-2660@2.6GHz with CNPS10X cooler, constant 52 to 54°C under load
• Motherboard: AsRock Extreme9 (stock settings)
• RAM: 8 × 4GB Kingston DDR3-1600 (tested, not faulty)
• Old videocard (when shutdowns started): RX 570 with 19.8.1 driver (around 65 to 72°C max under load)
• New videocard: Palit GTX1070 with 460.89 WHQL driver (around 66-67°C max under load)
• Marvel RAID 1: first 2 ports × WD 120GB SSD Green (healthy)
• LSI 9750-8i: RAID 10 - 4 drives 2TB Toshiba DT200 (healthy and cooled around 40°C)
• PSU: Seasonic S12-II 620W
• OS: Windows 8.1 x64
• SouthBridge: constant 45 to 51°C, no more
• VR Loop 1 from OCCT reports to 64-65°C at idle
• VR Loop 2 from OCCT reports constant 27°C at idle or at full load

RX 570 was swapped due to impossibility to install the same driver on Win 8.1 x64 and when crashes happened in first 5 minutes of PC usage after OS boot. Now with GTX 1070 driver is ok, but crashes continue to occur and more randomly (in the interval 30min to 3-4 hours). The other moment is when playing games - shutdown occurs after playing around 5-10 mins. No blue screen, no nothing - just a shutdown and that's it. Cables are properly attached - this system worked at least 2 years without problems with these components

After doing some testing with OCCT their own test, this is what I've got:

Lower CPU frequency - longer OCCT test time. System survived at stock 2.2GHz, at 2.4GHz@allcores VR Loop 1 reached 98°C (while CPU is barely 50) and shutdowns despite already changed the VR thermal pads with better ones (Alphacool Thermal Pad 17W/mK)

For me there are two options for repair (assuming VRMs aren't faulty):

1. To replace original and crappy heatsinks with a taller ones and add fans to cool them
2. To replace pads with pure copper pads and add fans to cool the original heatsink contraption

Both are time consuming tasks, if someone has an idea what can be another highly plausible reason for the shutdowns

Thanks in advance

 

[repman244]

If you think it's the vrm, why don't you point a fan at it and test?