NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 Ti Founders Edition

[QUANTUMPHYSICS]

I wouldn't mind having a 3060...in my laptop.

If you are a desktop user, you have but two real choices: 3080 or 3090.

 

[birdie]

I wouldn't mind having a 3060...in my laptop.

If you are a desktop user, you have but two real choices: 3080 or 3090.

I would absolutely mind a 200W beast in my laptop unless you're willing to use it for cooking or torturing.

 

[Vya Domus]

As I previously said, horrendously overpriced, GPU pricing has been damaged beyond repair at this point I'm afraid. Fortunately or unfortunately it doesn't matter because there will be none available for the foreseeable future.

Nvidia is just as bad

That's an understatement, it's way worse than just "bad". As far as we know no one else is using Samsung's 8nm node, so there are only two possibilities : yields are unbelievably bad or their GPUs are going somewhere else, after all there have been rumors that they have been mostly sold to mining farms which seem more believable with each passing day.

So, they either can't make them or they want to sell them to an entirely different group of customers. Either way it's terrible.

 

[Vayra86]

$399 for something approaching a 2080S. Ampere offers theoretical improvements in performance/$ across the whole range.

Except $399 is a fabrication for the next 4 months at least. Scalpers, miners, high-demand, and low supply mean that you're still probably going to be paying $600 for them. When you look at the performance and performance/Watt of the 2070 Super, it's not that different and the 2070S is a $500 card from 18 months ago.

Why would you pay 600 though, I really dont follow this logic. GPUs are nonessential, why pay more than you would want?

It is exactly that twisted logic that gave scalping its business case.

 

[RandallFlagg]

I would absolutely mind a 200W beast in my laptop unless you're willing to use it for cooking or torturing.

3060 Ti based laptop concept :

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[mechtech]

I make the cut at 75% and 125%, or the charts will become too busy. some important SKUs like 2060/2060S are included because same "60" number

ok

I guess I will have to do some extrapolation for my RX 480

 

[ShurikN]

Going Samsung 8nm paid off it seems

Yeah, Samsungs 8nm has been amazing, that's why you have Ampere cards filling up stores and shelves all across the world.

 

[Vayra86]

ok

I guess I will have to do some extrapolation for my RX 480

No just find its relative performance in the TPU database!

 

[squallheart]

A great card except:

• Ridiculously overpriced and people are seemingly not concerned at all. Like really? The GTX 970 launch price was $330!
• In power efficiency it doesn't beat Turning 16XX cards which is ... what? How? I was under the impression that modern GPUs/CPUs can power gate pretty much any part of the chip which means for games lacking RTRT/DLSS Ampere cards must have been a lot more power efficient than previous generation cards.
• Why are we still trailing previous generation cards in terms of the bang for the buck? Is it also the new norm?

This is not a replacement for the wildly successful GTX 1060 6GB. Hopefully NVIDIA will release the RTX 3060 at $299 or lower.

@W1zzard I know you're absolutely busy with reviews but please start testing NVIDIA cards with a power limit applied, e.g. at 90%, 80% and 70%. NVIDIA has OC'ed the cards to the absolute limit this generation and by doing so, they've made them not as power as efficient as the node actually allows.

You are actually REALLY wrong.

Actually, it's beating the historic average perf/$ in that price range.

GPU Performance Trajectories

docs.google.com

The fact that you compared it to the 970 launching at $330 really doesn't make sense either.

Most people complaining this gen are more hung up on the price of the model number rather than comparing price/perf at price points, which annoys me slightly.

 

[HTC]

From what I understand 6:00 a.m. PT, 3:00 p.m. CET, 2:00 p.m. UK


Yeah, it's a lot of data, I'll think of a better presentation for the 2021 reviews

If i may make a suggestion, how about without RT on one side and with RT on the other PER GAME so that it can be seen without / with more clearly? A 3rd graph below could be shown with DLSS turned on in order to compare that to "just RT".

 

[Vya Domus]

Actually, it's beating the historic average perf/$ in that price range.

That means nothing as long as the overall pricing has increased from the previous SKU which it replaced, show me a time in history when perf/$ has went down, this is hardly an achievement. It's the same story with performance/watt, yes Ampere it's more power efficient but it doesn't change the fact that it peaks at 400W.

 

[bobmeix]

@W1zzard
Oh, you have added the weight of the cards! Much appreciated!

 

[mechtech]

No just find its relative performance in the TPU database!

Thanks,

Only games I have/play on TPUs extensive list are BL3 and Witcher 3, so I try to do those games specifically.

 

[W1zzard]

Thanks,

Only games I have/play on TPUs extensive list are BL3 and Witcher 3, so I try to do those games specifically.

Oh wait, I just realized we dropped RX 480 from the test group for last rebench, only RX 580 now. But you should be able to extrapolate

 

[robb]

Well, that came out of the blue. Good to see an actual hard launch, and competition seems to be working given the good price/perf of this GPU. Also a sentence nobody would have expected a year or two ago: it's nice to see Nvidia catch up to AMD's efficiency! XD Here's hoping supplies last at least a little.

This makes me very hopeful for the RX 6700 and 6700 XT - the RX 6800 is rather weirdly priced, even if it does beat the 3070 overall, so I'm hoping Nvidia being early with a good contender at $400 forces AMD's hand in making the next tier down a $400 GPU as well. Anything above that would be disappointing, even if it's faster.

What do you mean hard launch? These cards aren't even available anywhere yet.

 

[Chrispy_]

Why would you pay 600 though, I really dont follow this logic. GPUs are nonessential, why pay more than you would want?

It is exactly that twisted logic that gave scalping its business case.

Which is exactly why I'm not buying one; I don't make up the current market prices, they are what they are and until the supply matches demand these won't sell at MSRP anywhere, so it's not even relevant to the discussion.

IMO if you have an RTX card already, you're good for the moment. If you don't have one just yet, you need to wait or get fleeced, and I can strongly recommend "not getting fleeced" as the better option.

 

[HenrySomeone]

Yeah, Samsungs 8nm has been amazing, that's why you have Ampere cards filling up stores and shelves all across the world.

3070 at least is quite readily available, not at msrp true, but still... 6800 series on the other hand is simply non-existent "in the wild" and by the time that notably changes, an overwhelming majority of people in the market for a new high end gpu will have already bought an Ampere card.

 

[Vayra86]

Thanks,

Only games I have/play on TPUs extensive list are BL3 and Witcher 3, so I try to do those games specifically.

But will you play those indefinitely? Its generally pretty samey, but new engines do present a different sort of load that does work out differently on newer architectures, too. The overall relative performance is where its really at, I think, and then for your specific resolution (and a higher one you might target). Games do get sequels much like BL3 and TW3 did, and engines do get updated. With a new console gen, big changes happen. Point is, those two games only tell you about those two games - their number becomes less relevant as time passes and the engine gets outdated.

Bigger datasets generally improve accuracy

 

[Valantar]

Pretty much every major OEM is shipping systems with 3070, 3080, and some with 3090. Nvidia is at least supplying the OEMs, and they are clearly opting to sell entire systems to capitalize on the populatirity. AMD is apparently has nothing to sell, as not even OEMs have 6800/6800XT and most don't have Zen 3 either.

There are literally pages of them on Amazon and most you can get by the end of this week.

Try doing this same search for 6800 or 6800XT :

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Dell Alienware options :

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That's a false equivalency. Nvidia's head start due to launching their GPUs a month earlier entirely makes up for that deficit, especially when one factors in the preferential treatment Nvidia gets (arguably buys, but never mind that - they all pay marketing incentives after all) from most OEMs in terms of which products get featured and put into which configurations. For now we simply don't have the data to make that kind of comparison. Saying "this product that has been on the market 1 1/2 month is available in more prebuilts than this one that launched two weeks ago" is an inherently biased comparison.

What do you mean hard launch? These cards aren't even available anywhere yet.

Announcement December 1st, release December 2nd? That's about as hard a launch as you get, at least if you want to be somewhat nice to your partners and give them time to actually get reviews out before sales start.

 

[RandallFlagg]

So I'm not getting all these cards and the power draws.

Looking at this old review of a 980, it had a peak power consumption (not overclocked) of around 185W.

I remember ~5 years ago, word was nobody really needed a PSU > 600W unless they were doing crossfire or some such, and most people were fine with 450W which was rapidly becoming the norm.

Now we have 3060 Ti at > 200W peak loads, not OC'd.

Seems like these cards are made for the 1% of users that have rigs that can meet those specs, common here, but not so common in the wider market.

To make use of something like this 3060 Ti (and all other GPUs recently released) you need :

• CPU no less than a 3600 or 9600, even then very CPU limited on 3070+ or 6800+, and even this 3060 Ti will get CPU limited quite a bit.
  • If you are on 2600 or 7700K even, esp with slower RAM, you'll be very disappointed
  • Just look at the benchmarks of these on the benchmarks forum on Tomb Raider, those CPUs will make a 3080 perform like a 2070 - 2070 Super
• 600W+ power supply, 750+ for higher cards

So like, what % of users has this? It's gonna be close to zero. This kind of stuff might push a lot of people towards consoles.

Edit: This is what I'm talking about, ripped from that thread. A 3800X is 100% CPU limited with a 6800XT on Tomb Raider :

 

[mahirzukic2]

So I'm not getting all these cards and the power draws.

Looking at this old review of a 980, it had a peak power consumption (not overclocked) of around 185W.

I remember ~5 years ago, word was nobody really needed a PSU > 600W unless they were doing crossfire or some such, and most people were fine with 450W which was rapidly becoming the norm.

Now we have 3060 Ti at > 200W peak loads, not OC'd.

Seems like these cards are made for the 1% of users that have rigs that can meet those specs, common here, but not so common in the wider market.

To make use of something like this 3060 Ti (and all other GPUs recently released) you need :

• CPU no less than a 3600 or 9600, even then very CPU limited on 3070+ or 6800+, and even this 3060 Ti will get CPU limited quite a bit.
  • If you are on 2600 or 7700K even, esp with slower RAM, you'll be very disappointed
  • Just look at the benchmarks of these on the benchmarks forum on Tomb Raider, those CPUs will make a 3080 perform like a 2070 - 2070 Super
• 600W+ power supply, 750+ for higher cards

So like, what % of users has this? It's gonna be close to zero. This kind of stuff might push a lot of people towards consoles.

I would actually love that as that would force the prices of the GPUs down, so a win win for the customers.

 

[evernessince]

Seems like an excellent mainstream card.
So, the average person will be able to buy one some time next year?

Don't know if I'd call $400 mainstream. The GTX 960 launched at $200, literally half the price. That's where the mainstream pricing should be and no amount of inflation can account for a doubling of price.

It is amazing to me that more people are not calling out the pricing.

 

[Fluffmeister]

Not bad at all, and seems to priced competitively against the likes of the 5700 XT.

 

[RandallFlagg]

I would actually love that as that would force the prices of the GPUs down, so a win win for the customers.

Ya, but a potential long-term loss for the PC gaming industry.

 

[Frick]

So I assume <€200 GPUs is a thing of the past now.