1 Hour Power Outage at Micron Manufacturing Plant Could Mean Increased DRAM Prices Throughout 2021

newtekie1 · Dec 7, 2020

Wait, you're telling me a huge fab like this didn't have backup generators? There is no excuse for this.

rtwjunkie · Dec 7, 2020

TheUn4seen said:
You guys seem fairly outraged about something you have no knowledge of.
As an example: My wife does high-level auditing in corporations. A few years ago a certain biomedical company lost more than a billion Euros after a similar power outage lasting less than two hours. Why no backup power? Well, their factory uses almost five megawatts. They would need a small power plant as a backup power source, which actually wouldn't help, as generator startup takes a lot of time and the most losses were due to cooling/refrigeration failures which are time critical. A semiconductor manufacturing plant uses way more power and is at least as vulnerable to the loss of filtration, temperature control and production progression. I can tell you from experience, if a complex production line stops, the reset time takes hours if not days, the products and half-products which were on the line have to be junked and it's generally a bad day for everyone.

It's like I said earlier. One hour power loss leads to a much longer down time. Not to mention anything in production at the time is done for. It has to be a fresh start.

I worked for a year and a half back in the day at the former IBM manufacturing plant in Essex Jct, VT. The amount of power necessary there in 5 different production buildings meant that no immediate emergency power backup can sustain the critical states of production power necessary.

remixedcat · Dec 7, 2020

Don't these plants have n+4 redundancy?? Like data centers do??!!

Hell the chemical plants and window mfr plants got 4 phase and several have 2 grids.. and they don't make RAM !! They make windows and polymers and stuff..

newtekie1 said:
Wait, you're telling me a huge fab like this didn't have backup generators? There is no excuse for this.

No generators or multiple grids.. they might have had a couple of 450VA "UPSes" for the marketing dept.

bug · Dec 7, 2020

TheUn4seen said:
You guys seem fairly outraged about something you have no knowledge of.
As an example: My wife does high-level auditing in corporations. A few years ago a certain biomedical company lost more than a billion Euros after a similar power outage lasting less than two hours. Why no backup power? Well, their factory uses almost five megawatts. They would need a small power plant as a backup power source, which actually wouldn't help, as generator startup takes a lot of time and the most losses were due to cooling/refrigeration failures which are time critical. A semiconductor manufacturing plant uses way more power and is at least as vulnerable to the loss of filtration, temperature control and production progression. I can tell you from experience, if a complex production line stops, the reset time takes hours if not days, the products and half-products which were on the line have to be junked and it's generally a bad day for everyone.

Wth is wrong with you? Coming into a forum and trying to teach people out of their knee-jerk reactions? :kookoo:

krusha03 · Dec 8, 2020

I can't find numbers for DUV, but one EUV system apparently uses about 1MW of power. I want to see the UPS/generator/battery pack for running bunch of these for 1 hour..

ThrashZone · Dec 8, 2020

Hi,
To think they don't have a backup generator is really sad lol

bug · Dec 8, 2020

ThrashZone said:
Hi,
To think they don't have a backup generator is really sad lol

To think this was addressed at least twice in this very thread and still you felt the need to post this isn't much happier.

ThrashZone · Dec 8, 2020

bug said:
To think this was addressed at least twice in this very thread and still you felt the need to post this isn't much happier.

Hi,
lol yeah but you assume I read all replies and I doubt anyone said it exactly as I
So can we assume greenpeace got to them and insisted they use wind and solar instead of natual gas generators and the wind wasn't blowing and it was cloudy or at night without full moon

rtwjunkie · Dec 8, 2020

ThrashZone said:
Hi,
lol yeah but you assume I read all replies and I doubt anyone said it exactly as I
So can we assume greenpeace got to them and insisted they use wind and solar instead of natual gas generators and the wind wasn't blowing and it was cloudy or at night without full moon

You probably should have read the replies. It’s been answered, and it’s only 4 pages.

R-T-B · Dec 9, 2020

krusha03 said:
I can't find numbers for DUV, but one EUV system apparently uses about 1MW of power. I want to see the UPS/generator/battery pack for running bunch of these for 1 hour..

I withdraw my point in light of that data.

krusha03 · Dec 9, 2020

R-T-B said:
I withdraw my point in light of that data.

Are you saying I changed someone's opinion on the internet using simple fact and logic? 2020 is a crazy year indeed :laugh:

R0H1T · Dec 9, 2020

No not really, or maybe you did btw what year is this

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